Police officer pepper sprays line of sitting students at UC Davis
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[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33367518] They are using less-than-lethal weapons, including tear gas, bean bag guns, etc. While fatalities can still occur, it's very rare.[/QUOTE]
well then they aren't exactly less-than-lethal, are they?
I am surprised those protesters were not shot with those big powerful paintball guns! See how violent those awful protesters were being. Shame on them for not being more peaceful!
What the hell are the cops doing pepper spraying those guys? That is beyond "taking the piss", the protests are going far too peaceful in my opinion. Given the fact that they were just sitting there doing nothing while being pepper sprayed but maintaining their cool is commendable by all means. The cops are abusing their authority and need to be taught a lesson, preferably by the guys they harm.
[quote]well then they aren't exactly less-than-lethal, are they?[/quote]
"Less-than-lethal" is the name given to them to specify that, statistically speaking, they have a considerably lower rate of fatalities than batons / firearms. There is nothing that can subdue people that is totally safe.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33372243]"Less-than-lethal" is the name given to them to specify that, statistically speaking, they have a considerably lower rate of fatalities than batons / firearms. There is nothing that can subdue people that is totally safe.[/QUOTE]
Hugs and free chocolate?
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33372243]"Less-than-lethal" is the name given to them to specify that, statistically speaking, they have a considerably lower rate of fatalities than batons / firearms. There is nothing that can subdue people that is totally safe.[/QUOTE]
You realize a baton is a LTL weapon, right?
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33372399]You realize a baton is a LTL weapon, right?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but due to the amount of deaths caused by beating with batons, I (personally) don't consider it LTL. Same with tasers. There have only been 1-2 deaths ever attributed to bean bag guns, and very few people have ever died from pepper spray. Tear gas, on the other hand, has caused deaths to people exposed to it for more than an hour, at that point you could really attribute the death to the person who decided to stay there. Tear gas is meant to be used to get people to vacate an area. If you vacate it, you have nearly no chance of dying from it.
Again I state I'm not agreeing with the use of ANY of these things, I'm simply saying that police follow a strict protocol, and people need to realize this. Only in America, do people consider cops who use tear gas to raid a home and subdue its occupants get called "heroes", yet the minute they do the same on a crowd of protesters they're considered cowards.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;33372390]Hugs and free chocolate?[/QUOTE]Broken spines and allergies.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33373761]Tear gas, on the other hand, has caused deaths to people exposed to it for more than an hour, at that point you could really attribute the death to the person who decided to stay there.[/QUOTE]I'm not entirely sure I'd go [i]that[/i] far. In the case of crowd dispersal, there are a lot of ways that someone in said crowd can be incapable (or wind up incapable) of leaving the area on his own power any time soon. I mean sure, [url=http://www.cracked.com/article_16710_6-non-lethal-weapons-thatll-make-you-wish-you-were-dead.html]it's the line of logic also used to classify the ray-which-can-eventually-melt-faces as nonlethal[/url]; but if a person in a crowd originally got there with aid from others and winds up separated from them, or gets a mobility-trumping injury in the scenario bad enough to require crowd control in the first place, they're going to bake or choke right along with the stubborn ass.
For all of those that have complained about how the video started right at the spraying, here is a video from a different perspective that starts two minutes and twenty-five seconds before:
[video=youtube;wuWEx6Cfn-I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuWEx6Cfn-I[/video]
[B]Bonus video[/B]
Four simultaneous video sources put together in one video:
[video=youtube;WO4406KJQMc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4406KJQMc[/video]
My sister is graduating from Davis next month. Haven't asked her about this yet.
[quote]TO: UCR Students, Faculty, and Staff
I have watched in sadness and shock this past week as peaceful protests on our sister UC campuses have erupted into scenes where students, faculty, and staff have been pushed back and pepper sprayed. The chancellors on these campuses and President Yudof have called for independent investigations of these incidents, and that is exactly what now needs to be done.
In addition, President Yudof issued a statement on November 20 indicating, “…Free speech is part of the DNA of this university, and non-violent protest has long been central to our history. It is a value we must protect with vigilance.” I could not agree more.
Over the past few weeks, and as you deserve and should expect, there have been many discussions among UCR leadership, including vice chancellors, deans, the Academic Senate, student leadership, Staff Assembly, and campus law enforcement regarding a principled, safe, and secure path forward.
We have affirmed the right to free speech and peaceful assembly for our students, faculty, and staff on campus. We have reviewed and reaffirmed clear and responsible procedures for responding to assemblies in a way that ensures the safety of participants and the campus community at large, while also protecting property and our capacity to carry out our mission.
During previous periods of protest at UCR, I have been proud of the manner in which our students, faculty, and staff have expressed themselves. Since my arrival here just over three years ago, rallies, marches, and teach-ins have been held with no ugly confrontations, no pepper spray, and no arrests. Student leaders, union protestors, and others have negotiated with campus leadership to establish expectations and understand policies and protocols of time, place, and manner.
Yes, UCR protestors have loudly raised their voices and expressed their opinions and even their anger. When it comes to the disinvestment by the State of California in public education, including the University of California, my voice joins in.
I want to conclude by again affirming the right of our students, faculty, staff, and community to gather peacefully and exercise free speech. The issues today are complex and many. Let us bring the intellectual strength of our university and our people to shed light on these issues and to engage in meaningful and constructive dialogue with the goal of deepening our understanding and mutual respect.
Fiat Lux,
Timothy P. White
Chancellor[/quote]
Got it in my E-mail
Stepping over them, losing any point they had, kneeling on their nacks, attempted murder.
It is absolutely inconceivable to me that somebody can look at this video and think, "that is morally excusable."
I try to view these things realistically, taking in both sides of an issue in order to try and form the clearest picture of events possible. There have been several times when I have sided with the officers, several others where I have sided with the protestors, and a good number of times where I could find no extreme fault with any specific party, but this? This is inexcusable. Walking down a row of people who are doing no more than sitting with their arms linked, casually assaulting them with nerve agents should be classed as no less than a felony, and that officer should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.
Regardless of where you stand on this OWS issue, none can view that video and say that the protesters were behaving in a violent or dangerous manner (or at least, not without proving themselves a liar).
out of interest, what's the standard police method in this situation. you've got a bunch of protestors illegally occupying an area and refusing police orders to move. they're unarmed and pose no physical threat. what are the police supposed to do?
(serious question, not rhetorical)
[QUOTE=R3N3GADE;33381217]out of interest, what's the standard police method in this situation. you've got a bunch of protestors illegally occupying an area and refusing police orders to move. they're unarmed and pose no physical threat. what are the police supposed to do?
(serious question, not rhetorical)[/QUOTE]Calmly tell them what's going to happen if they don't move?
[url]http://www.fox40.com/videogallery/66248502/News/UC-Davis-Chancellor-Protestors-Speak-at-Demonstration[/url]
I know I know, fox news, but they interviewed a friend of mine who was at the rally and he's a rad little dude.
Also christ she's got a thick accent.
This is utter shit. I'm bumping this because it needs to stay on the front page.
[editline]22nd November 2011[/editline]
U. C. Davis Campus Police, Lieutenant John Pike.
You pepper sprayed a crowd of peaceful students sitting on the ground. You are a coward, and a bully.
A tool of the corrupt.
A puppet for your masters.
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[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33367518]My uncle, who works in Pittsburgh, has NO CHOICE to use pepper spray / aggressive means to remove people from public property. The commander in charge is the one who gives the orders.[/QUOTE]
I've heard that exact same argument somewhere before but I just can't put my finger on it...
[QUOTE=Redcow17;33391269]This is utter shit. I'm bumping this because it needs to stay on the front page.
[editline]22nd November 2011[/editline]
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Last time I checked FacePunch isn't the place for such activities.
Please take them somewhere else, we're better than that (I hope).
I love these:
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[QUOTE=Redcow17;33391269]
Someones personal information[/QUOTE]
Is this really needed? Please snip your post, you're acting like a child.
[QUOTE=Redcow17;33391269]0 Raid request 0[/QUOTE]
Real Mature.
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