Trump confirmed as keynote speaker for anti-LGBT conference - Polidicks

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52770036]"But he supports LGBT!" I will still never understand why anyone ever believed that. From day one it was known he didn't.[/QUOTE] Most of the people who argued for it don't actually believe it themselves, they were just using it as propaganda to build support for Trump.

the problem isn't even Trump. I doubt he has any strong feelings one way or the other about LGBT people, or any other given minority in this country. the problem is that he's an unqualified clown who didn't realize that being president was so hard and now he's in over his head. I guarantee you, the only reason he's speaking at this conference is because somebody told him to. Trump's not a bad president, because he isn't even a president at all. He's a mouthpiece for whatever cause his advisors and yes-men whisper into his ear. Which is a problem, because his advisors are the worst people on earth. I really doubt Trump is genuinely hateful; he's just totally clueless and easily manipulated, which is [I]infinitely worse[/I] if you ask me.

[QUOTE=TWKUK;52770644]the problem isn't even Trump. I doubt he has any strong feelings one way or the other about LGBT people, or any other given minority in this country. the problem is that he's an unqualified clown who didn't realize that being president was so hard and now he's in over his head. I guarantee you, the only reason he's speaking at this conference is because somebody told him to. Trump's not a bad president, because he isn't even a president at all. He's a mouthpiece for whatever cause his advisors and yes-men whisper into his ear. Which is a problem, because his advisors are the worst people on earth. I really doubt Trump is genuinely hateful; he's just totally clueless and easily manipulated, which is [I]infinitely worse[/I] if you ask me.[/QUOTE] What exactly leads you to believe he's just a mindless puppet and not actively a spiteful, hateful being with a specific and poorly constructed agenda? I think you give him too much credit by presuming he's just being manipulated by advisers. He's chosen his advisers on the basis that they align with his existing beliefs.

Even as a republican I guess I won't be supporting Donald Trump anymore.

[QUOTE=FuzzyLiama;52770718]Even as a republican I guess I won't be supporting Donald Trump anymore.[/QUOTE] So nothing before this bothered you? Not the constant lying, backstabbing, or sexual harassment accusations?

I understand now. For a conservative, "protecting" the constitution means to protect it from being used by those filthy [i]others.[/i]

[QUOTE=srobins;52770713]What exactly leads you to believe he's just a mindless puppet and not actively a spiteful, hateful being with a specific and poorly constructed agenda? I think you give him too much credit by presuming he's just being manipulated by advisers. He's chosen his advisers on the basis that they align with his existing beliefs.[/QUOTE] He seems like a combo, spiteful and self centered while focused primarily on fame and money. And advisors and lobbyists are playing his greed and self esteem to their advantage on topics Trump doesn't personally care about, or topics they agree with him on.

[QUOTE=FuzzyLiama;52770718]Even as a republican I guess I won't be supporting Donald Trump anymore.[/QUOTE] With all the shit he's flung at you guys, [I]now[/I] is the time you won't be supporting Trump any more?

Honestly it's pretty clear that Trump doesn't have anything but bigotry in his head for women, LGBT people, and minorities. Basically anyone who isn't a straight, white, conservative man can fuck off in his head. I don't think shock is very appropriate for things like this because he's a barely closeted white supremacist that we put in office. What do you expect? And hell, I think he's only closeted to salvage [I]some[/I] PR for himself. I think there's even more foul things going on in his mind than we know about and I reckon a lot of that's going to come out decades from now.

[QUOTE=LaughingStock;52770387][img]https://i.imgur.com/K74kLvH.jpg[/img] can you imagine[/QUOTE] Well the flag upside down is meant as a sign of distress. But Trump being in office is a big distress

Christ I knew he was turning bad months ago, but this? I'm just fucking floored. I already know a bunch of zombie nimrods in TD are going to defend this with some interdimensional mental gymnastics.

I'm really interested to hear what he says because I have a feeling he's going to completely contradict his past self like he does time and time again.

[QUOTE=Sombrero;52771085]Christ I knew he was turning bad months ago, but this? I'm just fucking floored. I already know a bunch of zombie nimrods in TD are going to defend this with some interdimensional mental gymnastics.[/QUOTE] [quote][b]turning bad[/b][/quote] :glare:

[QUOTE=Sombrero;52771085]Christ I knew he was turning bad months ago, but this? I'm just fucking floored. I already know a bunch of zombie nimrods in TD are going to defend this with some interdimensional mental gymnastics.[/QUOTE] Posts like these somehow still surprise me Like dude, this isn't a recent development. This is seriously just the person Trump is. He's [I]always[/I] been this way. Every new story about him being a liar, a bigot, about him being greedy, or stupid, or a narcissistic manchild is just par for the course. He has [I]always[/I] been this person

[QUOTE=RichyZ;52770066][t]https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5818b1d9150000d80453109b.jpeg?cache=mqwkhh4rms&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale[/t] this image will never not be disgusting[/QUOTE] I love the face he's making in this. It's just so "Aw it's so adorable that you believe I support you"

[QUOTE=Sitkero;52771167]Posts like these somehow still surprise me Like dude, this isn't a recent development. This is seriously just the person Trump his. He's [I]always[/I] been this way. Every new story about him being a liar, a bigot, about him being greedy, or stupid, or a narcissistic manchild are just par for the course. He has [I]always[/I] been this person[/QUOTE] To add to this, he has a long history of actively discriminating against minorities in his various businesses. He holds many views that seem to contradict each other, but nevertheless his history of doing exactly the same things people are now shocked to hear about should have given all of us the fore-warning that he would continue to do the things he's been doing since the 1970s. I can only speculate that the campaign message of "He doesn't mean it, he's just being politically incorrect" was so effective that it tricked us into believing it was true and ignoring all of the red flags of his past, his behavior all throughout the campaign and his whole general demeanor of being a generally racist, misogynistic business man. [url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/every-moment-donald-trumps-long-complicated-history-race/[/url] [QUOTE]While Trump’s actions have landed on both sides of racial currents, his public record depicts a man who most often moves in one direction: overlooking racial sensitivity and concerns in the name of fighting “political correctness.” That’s something his base likes, but also something that has caused him problems within his party and with voters at large.[/QUOTE] This article gives us some perspective: [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html[/url] [QUOTE]She seemed like the model tenant. A 33-year-old nurse who was living at the Y.W.C.A. in Harlem, she had come to rent a one-bedroom at the still-unfinished Wilshire Apartments in the Jamaica Estates neighborhood of Queens. She filled out what the rental agent remembers as a “beautiful application.” She did not even want to look at the unit. There was just one hitch: Maxine Brown was black. Stanley Leibowitz, the rental agent, talked to his boss, Fred C. Trump. “I asked him what to do and he says, ‘Take the application and put it in a drawer and leave it there,’” Mr. Leibowitz, now 88, recalled in an interview. It was late 1963 — just months before President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the landmark Civil Rights Act — and the tall, mustachioed Fred Trump was approaching the apex of his building career. He was about to complete the jewel in the crown of his middle-class housing empire: seven 23-story towers, called Trump Village, spread across nearly 40 acres in Coney Island. He was also grooming his heir. His son Donald, 17, would soon enroll at Fordham University in the Bronx, living at his parents’ home in Queens and spending much of his free time touring construction sites in his father’s Cadillac, driven by a black chauffeur.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“His father was his idol,” Mr. Leibowitz recalled. “Anytime he would come into the building, Donald would be by his side.” Over the next decade, as Donald J. Trump assumed an increasingly prominent role in the business, the company’s practice of turning away potential black tenants was painstakingly documented by activists and organizations that viewed equal housing as the next frontier in the civil rights struggle. The Justice Department undertook its own investigation and, in 1973, sued Trump Management for discriminating against blacks. Both Fred Trump, the company’s chairman, and Donald Trump, its president, were named as defendants. It was front-page news, and for Donald, amounted to his debut in the public eye. “Absolutely ridiculous,” he was quoted as saying of the government’s allegations.[/QUOTE] For more context, here's a blog run by a professor at Barnard College in NYC that explores the psychology of conspiracy theories, and in this post it talks about the mindset of Donald Trump when it comes to holding many contradictory viewpoints about the same idea: [url]https://conspiracypsychology.com/2016/06/06/the-great-columbia-conspiracy-why-trump-and-others-seem-to-contradict-themselves-on-obamas-past/[/url] [QUOTE]A few people have noticed that Trump seems to buy into an odd combination of theories about Obama’s time at Columbia University. Officially, Obama attended Columbia from 1981 to 1983 as a transfer student from Occidental College in California; after graduating he went on to study law at Harvard. Since 2008, people (mostly on the right) have raised doubts about Obama’s time at Columbia – they’ve speculated that he was admitted as a foreign student, proving he wasn’t born in America; that he had awful grades and only got through university because of affirmative action policies; that he was turned into a Marxist Manchurian candidate by the constant barrage of radical leftist teaching; or even that he never attended Columbia at all. The official story is a carefully constructed lie, meant to cover up the sinister truth. You’ll notice that these theories – bad student Obama, foreign student Obama, indoctrinated student Obama, non-student Obama – are not all compatible with one another. Maybe he was a foreign student with bad grades, but it’s not possible that Obama got bad grades at a university he was never a student at, or that he wasn’t admitted, but was also admitted as a foreign student, or never attended lectures at Columbia, but was radicalized by the left-wing lectures. But, somehow, every so often you see the contradictory theories being pushed by the same people. Trump’s friend and supporter, Wayne Allyn Root, seems to have provided the raw material for a lot of these theories: he thinks that Obama might have been registered at Columbia, but certainly never attended classes, but was also brainwashed by those classes. Trump suggests that Obama never went to Columbia – he “came out of nowhere” and none of his classmates remember him – but also finds it likely that his records from Columbia would show a foreign birthplace, if they haven’t been deleted. In a baffling tweet (even by Trump standards) he urged the hackers of the world, as long as they’re going around hacking stuff, to find out more.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]This fits into an established psychological pattern. In a study published in 2012, my colleagues and I showed that there tend to be positive correlations between beliefs in contradictory conspiracy theories. The more someone believes that Osama Bin Laden was dead long before 2011, the more they believe that he was still alive after the media pronounced him dead that year. The more someone believes that Princess Diana was killed by business enemies of Dodi Fayed’s family, the more they believe she was killed by the British secret service. And, probably, the more someone believes that Obama was never admitted to Columbia, the more they believe that he was admitted there as a foreign student.[/QUOTE] What this leads me to believe is that Trump's seeming contradictory behaviour and general contrariness to any perceived 'mainstream' political viewpoint is an extension of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance]cognitive dissonance[/url]. I believe he is a constant, almost pathological liar because he seems to contradict himself almost the minute after he says something. The most clear example of this I can see is his flip-flopping between saying he's basically never met Vladimir Putin and has nothing to do with him and also at the same time being a close friend with him. There's no actual reason why he should need to flip-flop on this issue. If we assumed that he has some connection with Putin he doesn't want people to know about, it would be logical for him to distance himself. If, on the other hand, he doesn't have a connection, then it would make sense for him to draw closer relations to the leader of a foreign power. If he wants to distance himself from Russia, why does he praise Putin at any given opportunity, [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-advisers-public-comments-ties-to-moscow-stir-unease-in-both-parties/2016/08/05/2e8722fa-5815-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html?utm_term=.ad09c7d74d2f]why does tell his adviser to openly compare Trump to Putin in order to promote the idea that Trump would make a good president due to his good relations with the Russian government?[/url] If he wants to distance himself from Russia, [url=http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/11/investing/rex-tillerson-exxon-russia-putin/]why does he hire the receipt of Russia's "Order of Friendship", Rex Tillerson, to be secretary of state and then publicly praise him for his deals in Russia?[/url] [url=http://time.com/4108198/donald-trump-60-minutes-putin/]Why did he lie about meeting Putin during the recording of a television show, when the segments with Trump and Putin were recorded in New York and Moscow respectively? [/url] For what possible reason would he feel he needed to lie about that? If there's no connection he feels he needs to hide, [url=http://documents.latimes.com/read-us-intelligence-report-russian-hacking/]why did he attempt[/url] [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.7593dbedb0b6]to mislead and lie about the contents[/url] of the CIA reports on russian meddling in the election. [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/us/politics/jeff-sessions-russia.html]Why would he instruct Jeff Sessions, his Attorney General, to not disclose any foreign relations he had in his application for security clearance?[/url] What actually happens is that he flip-flops depending on the context of what is being asked. If he is being asked whether he has collaborated with Putin in a negative sense, he has no association with Putin. If he is being asked about his connections and deal-making skills, suddenly Putin is his best friend and he talks at length at how good he is at making deals and how putin absolutely loves him. At one moment he's distancing himself and the next he's quoting Putin in his tweets. My guess is that he simply lies in whatever fashion allows him to look good in the moment. His enormous ego almost demands that he must trip himself up at any opportunity. Such as in the schrodinger's putin situation, he likely feels that he should distance himself but he just cannot pass up the opportunity to prop himself up and satiate his massive ego by drawing connections between himself and putin, even when it just draws attention to these connections and thereby simply makes himself more suspicious. In summary, if someone acts like a real life caricature of a character from "Mad Men", it's probably more likely that they have some, at the very least, deeply concerting views about women, black people and minorities rather than them not meaning it and playing some 120-dimensional badminton in an effort to confront "political correctness" or "the establishment" or something similar.

[QUOTE=FuzzyLiama;52770718]Even as a republican I guess I won't be supporting Donald Trump anymore.[/QUOTE] Oh wow mate what tipped you off? Could it have been the vice president that supports electroshock therapy as a "solution" for homosexuality?

[QUOTE=TWKUK;52770644] Trump's not a bad president, because he isn't even a president at all. He's a mouthpiece for whatever cause his advisors and yes-men whisper into his ear. Which is a problem, because his advisors are the worst people on earth. I really doubt Trump is genuinely hateful; he's just totally clueless and easily manipulated, which is [I]infinitely worse[/I] if you ask me.[/QUOTE] If Trump is a feckless idiot at the mercy of his advisors I'm pretty sure he's a terrible fucking president.

I don't understand what is happening with this dude, I really don't. This guy is the archetypal scumbag billionaire, and always has been- he has a documented history of treating women and minorities like shit and consistently screwing over the little guy at every opportunity. There were movie villains based on Donald Trump in the fucking 80s. He runs his entire campaign on insulting people, being nasty, and stirring the shit, he fills his ranks with bigots and scum of the highest order... there has been a controversy a week, every week, something serious and disconcerting, followed by something pathetic and juvenile as a distraction- like clockwork, since Trump took power. And yet all he has to do is occasionally stop and say [b]"nah man, I'm a good guy! What?!! a gold plated billionaire?? [i]Moi????[/i]- I'm the anti establishment choice! I pwwwominse!"[/b] and suddenly it's a big fucking shock every time he actually acts like the complete scumbag anyone paying attention always knew him to be?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52771274]I love the face he's making in this. It's just so "Aw it's so adorable that you believe I support you"[/QUOTE] that's his face on almost anything positive. Maybe that's what he thinks of everyone.

This is scary

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52770036]"But he supports LGBT!" I will still never understand why anyone ever believed that. From day one it was known he didn't.[/QUOTE] look up the log cabin republicans they actually defend trump saying "he's not regressing he's telling congress to pass lgbt protections into law!"

Is anyone really suprised? His campaign was built on lies and unfullfilled promises. Once he became president, we knew his obvious approach. Anyone who voted him into the White House was an useful idiot. He does not care for his supporters. I will give an example of what he promised to do, but didn't even touch the subject since elections. There are around 3 million Poles in the US. This orange fuck came to them and promised an abolishment of visas for Poles. These idiots believed him and supported his campaign. Guess fucking what. He didn't do anything, didn't even mention it. Trump used them all. If you are a LGBT who voted for Trump, you are a naive, but useful idiot. Bonus points if you still support/-ed him after the transgender ban in millitary.

"President Trump allied himself with values voters, promising to put an end to the 8 years of relentless assault on the First Amendment". What assault?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;52770066][t]https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5818b1d9150000d80453109b.jpeg?cache=mqwkhh4rms&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale[/t] this image will never not be disgusting[/QUOTE] Isn't that flag also upside-down? Upside-down flags are a signal of distress, so I guess it makes sense in that context... Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if he just had some people he knew somehow make that flag so he could hold it up for easy brownie points.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;52772226]"President Trump allied himself with values voters, promising to put an end to the 8 years of relentless assault on the First Amendment". What assault?[/QUOTE] People they don't like getting rights is an assault to them, somehow. That's what I'm thinking.

Since I am somewhat ignorant about it, I gotta ask. Just what exactly is the problem that these old generation people have with LGBT+ people? I don't seem to get a consistent answer. Usually something like "it's icky, religion condemns it, I don't like it personally therefore nobody should".

[QUOTE=Nitro836;52772268]Since I am somewhat ignorant about it, I gotta ask. Just what exactly is the problem that these old generation people have with LGBT+ people? I don't seem to get a consistent answer. Usually something like "it's icky, religion condemns it, I don't like it personally therefore nobody should".[/QUOTE] Old habits die hard. That and growing up with a doctorine and people around you who encourage the hate.

[QUOTE=Nitro836;52772268]Since I am somewhat ignorant about it, I gotta ask. Just what exactly is the problem that these old generation people have with LGBT+ people? I don't seem to get a consistent answer. Usually something like "it's icky, religion condemns it, I don't like it personally therefore nobody should".[/QUOTE] People generally don't like to admit they were/are wrong. Literally nothing about LGBT+ people affects them.

[QUOTE=Nitro836;52772268]Since I am somewhat ignorant about it, I gotta ask. Just what exactly is the problem that these old generation people have with LGBT+ people? I don't seem to get a consistent answer. Usually something like "it's icky, religion condemns it, I don't like it personally therefore nobody should".[/QUOTE] My dad isn't religious but he's fairly homophobic. He says "its unnatural" and when I say its been observed in animals he goes weird with some semi personal attack borderline accusing me of being gay or too liberal. I think its like a habituated over compensation for insecurity re masculinity or something. Prove how much of a "man" you are by dicking on people you consider "less manly".