I heard uncontacted tribes steal babies in some documentary
[QUOTE=Richardroth;51576515]If they want to be left alone that's their business, who are we to tell them how they should live?[/QUOTE]
Just like how the Emiratis believe that maids are to be treated as slaves, and women have no rights haha, what are we to tell them their business :)
For the people still wondering why they might be hostile to outsiders I encourage to actually read the article.
[quote]But the jungles across the border in Peru are rife with illegal logging crews, gold prospectors, and drug traffickers, posing the kind of threats that have wiped out entire tribes in the past.[/quote]
And that's leaving out the paramiliataries that were rife in SA. Similar tribes have made contact before and it has annihilated them. Their experience with outsiders is most likely those who want their land and give nothing but diseases and bullets in return. From their perspective there is an eminent justification to avoid contact.
And if a contact is made, then what? How does it improve their lot in life, since Brazil can't realistically expand healthcare and education in their lands? Becoming more integrated into the world at large more likely means increased traffic by mentioned loggers and miners. And there's the funny thing about natives usually not [I]owning[/I] their own land, so they can be, at the request of landowner, to be forced to move out. So where would they go? Since there's not any deeper they can go into forest, they must move into towns in search of opportunities and end up crowding Brazil's famous favelas further.
It would be nice to think that people they would meet after contact are anthropologists and doctors. But more likely they meet opportunists and bandits, and just how are they going to get their rights protected by state deep in the jungle? Does state even care about their rights? Remember that they would exist in the very bottom of Brazil's steep social structure.
All things considered, as appealing as contact would appear be, they really don't have much to gain from it. They have, for the time being, a livelihood, a stable environment and expectation that their offspring will live on. Until The Civilization gets its shit actually together, the natives hardly have net benefit to gain from it.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51577167]I heard uncontacted tribes steal babies in some documentary[/QUOTE]
I read goblins exchange babies in some storybook.
[QUOTE=download;51576091]So their children should have no right to proper education and medical care in perpetuum? Because they apparently should remain ignorant of the outside world?
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How can you initiate something if you don't know of it?[/QUOTE]
We can apply this shitty imperialist line of thought to justify pretty much any war we want
Why don't we annex Iraq and Afghanistan? Don't they have a right to know just how great it is to be one of us?
Won't anyone think of the children? Boo hoo hoo
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;51577189]Probably with all the illegal logging going around.[/QUOTE]
I also meant to include the Sentinel Islands tribe in that statement, but yeah.
[QUOTE=The bird Man;51574872]Where in Rio De Janeiro did they take these photos?[/QUOTE]
Uh, the article makes mention of "well fed" individuals showing "healthy signs of resistance", no way this could be rio.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51576355]Not really. The authorities have a duty to ensure they're living to the laws and standards of the country.[/QUOTE]
Im pretty sure there were conventions that allowed isolated societies remain isolated as with North Sentinel island, sovereignity of which is protected by Indian gov.
They have got this far without education and welfare, as a rule meddling with others cultures hasn't worked out well for either side so far.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51577263]Im pretty sure there were conventions that allowed isolated societies remain isolated as with North Sentinel island, sovereignity of which is protected by Indian gov.[/QUOTE]
Well if they're stealing from nearby places, then they're worth bringing out of that society.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51577269]They have got this far without education and welfare, as a rule meddling with others cultures hasn't worked out well for either side so far.[/QUOTE]
It's generally worked for the stronger party really well, actually.
Wasn't these exact photos deemed fake years ago? I remember there being something about them not being isolated at all, adding to injury even staged.
[QUOTE=Vlevs;51577281]It's generally worked for the stronger party really well, actually.[/QUOTE]
Not so much in the long term.
[QUOTE=Warborq;51577282]Wasn't these exact photos deemed fake years ago? I remember there being something about them not being isolated at all, adding to injury even staged.[/QUOTE]
Not the same pictures.
[url]http://www.livescience.com/7519-photo-amazon-tribe-hoax.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51577302]Not so much in the long term.[/QUOTE]
What is America?
[QUOTE=Vlevs;51577313]
What is America?[/QUOTE]
Granted, I should have been more specific. I meant more in the modern world now that territory is mostly established. Apologies.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51577078]Lucky for modern medicine.... for goodness sake...
And while they're isolated socially, they're not completely isolated, as they raid settlements (i.e. they have some amount of contact with civilisation).
They're not going to instantly die.[/QUOTE]
It happened in the past already that contact was made with isolated tribes, which caused a massive wipeout within the tribe because of diseases that their bodies never developed any resistance to. I doubt modern medicine is built to maintain people who could potentially face extinction if you're hanging around them while down with the flu.
Just leave them the fuck alone, for god's sake. If they don't want to contact us, that's their decision.
[QUOTE=Bertie;51577577]It happened in the past already that contact was made with isolated tribes, which caused a massive wipeout within the tribe because of diseases that their bodies never developed any resistance to. I doubt modern medicine is built to maintain people who could potentially face extinction if you're hanging around them while down with the flu.[/QUOTE]
They're not completely isolated... they make contact with civlisation by entering neighboring settlements. Sure, it wouldn't be a good idea to plop them into a dirty city, but there are plenty of ways to safely introduce them into society.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51577593]Just leave them the fuck alone, for god's sake. If they don't want to contact us, that's their decision.[/QUOTE]
They don't know any better. Once they've had all options opened up to them, if they want to live on the land like that, by all means let them.
[QUOTE=Richardroth;51576515]If they want to be left alone that's their business, who are we to tell them how they should live?[/QUOTE]
The US and other first world countries never seem to have a problem telling people in other countries how they should live.
There is ZERO reason to not contact them, and show them what the world is. If they would like to retain independence then they should be able to, but with modern advances in medicine, education, and more, it should be at least offered.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51575963]The images look almost painted in a way it is sort of strange.[/QUOTE]
Taken from a great distance, looks like a bunch of defog and sharpen in photoshop.
Our arguements surely will alter the Brazillian future handling. By the way, why haven't anyone noted their individual behaviour that is adapted to their enviromental -social structure would affect their reaction and thought process, when compared to ours. We're not inviting islamists to christianity here, we're inviting cows to rock climbing. From our state of mind were we understand civilisized values and principles, they may not. If they see helicopters they can process it as a holy unnatural divine, and this would drastically and very dangerously damage their development due to hasty paths. We formed through history to land in a structure that is yet complex and confusing, imagine their mental capacity in their primitiva circumstance. We must give them time to change in their own pace and that's why I want them to be left alone. A King treads into a farmers land and says "I am your King, abide my laws because my will is righteousness by God", and natural orders lost once again. You protect Madagascar for a reason. Or do we choose the "The White Mans' Burden"?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51576355]Not really. The authorities have a duty to ensure they're living to the laws and standards of the country.[/QUOTE]
They have been there far longer than the country, so in practice, they got their own country. Civilization shouldn't intervene when indigenous people just want to live alone. We know what happened to the Indians, Africans and so on. It was not an enjoyable experience, let them come when they feel like it.
we know best what they want.
On one hand you can't enforce your way of life on people who want none of it. Yeah they're on Brazil's territory but that's a flimsy justification.
On the other hand their living conditions are very poor, and some of them might prefer the outside world if they actually saw what it's about.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51577786]They're not completely isolated... they make contact with civlisation by entering neighboring settlements. Sure, it wouldn't be a good idea to plop them into a dirty city, but there are plenty of ways to safely introduce them into society.
They don't know any better. Once they've had all options opened up to them, if they want to live on the land like that, by all means let them.[/QUOTE]
you're like the drunk guy at the bar who keeps approaching that girl even after she's told you to fuck off, slapped you, and splashed her drink in your face.
What's with everybody insisting they integrate to society because medicine and cars and stuff?
Brazil isn't Sweden, I'm not certain everybody there is living in better conditions than these people...
[QUOTE=download;51576456]Citation needed.
Some village elder does not trump the rights of children to grow up with an education and the best healthcare available.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that most if the people from uncontacted tribes become underpaid and mistreated laborers, right? Theres a big stigma against them. Furthermore most of the organizations that push for contact are evangelical christian organizations that want them to dump their culture and become christians. Nevermind that theyre pretty damned likely to contract diseases they would have no defense for and dying because thry cant really afford healthcare of any sort.
let them know of the rest of the world (and all of the music, literature, art, languages, cultures, traditions, etc) and give them the option to, but otherwise leave them be
given that they seem to be quite happy by themselves there is no reason to intrude where they are, but for those among them that are curious we ought to give them a taste
I'm all for possibly sharing works of art and such with them, but to be like "These people are living like savages, lets show them a world of crippling debt and greedy captialism and show them how wrong they are for living this way" is just holier than thou spiel.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51579052]let them know of the rest of the world (and all of the music, literature, art, languages, cultures, traditions, etc) and give them the option to, but otherwise leave them be
given that they seem to be quite happy by themselves there is no reason to intrude where they are, but for those among them that are curious we ought to give them a taste[/QUOTE]
But they kind of attack people who try. So unless some really clever anthropologists figure out how, it'd take violence.
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