[QUOTE=download;51576448]They live in a stone age culture. In a stone aged culture many children die before they reach adulthood, they do live in squalor and they certainly don't have an education system. To say otherwise is to live in a delusion. It's indisputable.[/QUOTE]
You ever watch Star Trek?
Me neither but they have this thing where the Enterprise is forbidden from making contact with developing civilizations and not intervening.
Same thing applies here, but if you want to force contact on these people by all means do it yourself.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51579113]But they kind of attack people who try. So unless some really clever anthropologists figure out how, it'd take violence.[/QUOTE]
presumably because most of the people visiting them have no intention of telling them anything but would rather prefer to exploit them in some capacity
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51579474]presumably because most of the people visiting them have no intention of telling them anything but would rather prefer to exploit them in some capacity[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt that. There's one tribe on some islands near India whose name I forget, they experienced nothing but friendly attempts at contact, including gifts of food and other things, and they ALWAYS respond in violence. Even killed two people once. It's not a given that an isolated tribe will just accept other human beings that look and talk nothing like them.
[QUOTE=Bertie;51579513]I seriously doubt that. There's one tribe on some islands near India whose name I forget, they experienced nothing but friendly attempts at contact, including gifts of food and other things, and they ALWAYS respond in violence. Even killed two people once. It's not a given that an isolated tribe will just accept other human beings that look and talk nothing like them.[/QUOTE]
well presumably the reason is because they have received less than friendly visits before (in the 19th century, plus nearby tribes were wiped out due to colonization)
also due to the fact that they lived on a tiny isolated island
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51578115]you're like the drunk guy at the bar who keeps approaching that girl even after she's told you to fuck off, slapped you, and splashed her drink in your face.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck? Are you drunk?
[QUOTE=Richardroth;51579081]I'm all for possibly sharing works of art and such with them, but to be like "These people are living like savages, lets show them a world of crippling debt and greedy captialism and show them how wrong they are for living this way" is just holier than thou spiel.[/QUOTE]
Good point, Rousseau.
[QUOTE=Richardroth;51579081]I'm all for possibly sharing works of art and such with them, but to be like "These people are living like savages, lets show them a world of crippling debt and greedy captialism and show them how wrong they are for living this way" is just holier than thou spiel.[/QUOTE]
Well for all our flaws personally I think we kinda are better off, not literally living in the bush and all.
It's not really hollier than thou if our living standards are, in fact, centuries ahead
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Not that i support contacting them, no opinion on that matter
[QUOTE=SirJon;51588995]Well for all our flaws personally I think we kinda are better off, not literally living in the bush and all.
It's not really hollier than thou if our living standards are, in fact, centuries ahead
[editline]27th December 2016[/editline]
Not that i support contacting them, no opinion on that matter[/QUOTE]
Whose living standards are you referring to? The wealthy who live comfortably in the city or those who live in the favelas? I'm pretty sure they will end up being the latter if integrated in the Brazilian society.
Simply being technologically more advanced doesn't necessarily mean everybody in your society benefits from those advancements. In a more egalitarian society, they might. But in Brazil? Unlikely.
I swear I've seen these photos some years ago... or very very similar ones.
I say we just go over there with an overly elaborate hot-air balloon and try to convince them we're the spirit of the sea or some shit. That might talk to their level.
First we drop mics and cameras into the forest that are just big enough to send basic audio and maybe video. We learn of some of their customs and language, and then we use that knowledge to convince them that a submarine or some crazy contraption is a spirit of nature that they should listen to. Then we can tell them stuff like mold is good.
A lot of people are talking about how we should integrate them to our society but personally I am interested in what we could really learn from them. They're not only technologically different, but also massively different psychologically and health-wise.
Firstly they highly likely have little to no dental issues, because unlike us, they eat their food fresh from the animal and they most likely don't partake in a traditional western diet like the rest of us. On top of that they'll have more of a native and instinctual understanding of what we humans require to remain healthy. Modern day humans have their native instincts overwritten pretty fast.
Secondly they probably have a completely different psychological process to us. Human beings are not supposed to feel anger, fear, stress or similar "negative" emotions for more than 30 minutes at a time. They are supposed to be fight or flight emotions, and yet everyone in our modern society feel them pretty much chronically, and feeling them over artificial situations that they were never designed for (money, reputation, job, etc), not to mention the epidemic of psychological conditions such as anxiety.
There's even a chance that these nativesmen haven't even had time to psychologically develop a fear or understanding of death and as such are just running on a simple will to survive.
We are vastly advanced in technology sure, but we are completely out of touch with a lot of our native selves such as diet, and we are hitting limits in terms of how the human mind and body can cope in a modern artificial society without allowing them time to adapt and evolve.
If contact were established there is so much we could learn from them on how to improve our society. Fat chance of that ever happening though.
[QUOTE=cdlink14;51593214]A lot of people are talking about how we should integrate them to our society but personally I am interested in what we could really learn from them. They're not only technologically different, but also massively different psychologically and health-wise.
Firstly they highly likely have little to no dental issues, because unlike us, they eat their food fresh from the animal and they most likely don't partake in a traditional western diet like the rest of us. On top of that they'll have more of a native and instinctual understanding of what we humans require to remain healthy. Modern day humans have their native instincts overwritten pretty fast.
Secondly they probably have a completely different psychological process to us. Human beings are not supposed to feel anger, fear, stress or similar "negative" emotions for more than 30 minutes at a time. They are supposed to be fight or flight emotions, and yet everyone in our modern society feel them pretty much chronically, and feeling them over artificial situations that they were never designed for (money, reputation, job, etc), not to mention the epidemic of psychological conditions such as anxiety.
There's even a chance that these nativesmen haven't even had time to psychologically develop a fear or understanding of death and as such are just running on a simple will to survive.
We are vastly advanced in technology sure, but we are completely out of touch with a lot of our native selves such as diet, and we are hitting limits in terms of how the human mind and body can cope in a modern artificial society without allowing them time to adapt and evolve.
If contact were established there is so much we could learn from them on how to improve our society. Fat chance of that ever happening though.[/QUOTE]
actually humans have been adapting faster than you think
most people in say eurasia or the americas are adapted (physiologically at minimum) to agrarian lifestyles where they lived in states with widespread epidemic diseases
want to know our "natural" lifestyle? it ain't in a tribe in the amazon (assuming you are of indo-european stock), but in this one we created
we carry the ability to metabolize foods that never existed in tribal societies, resistances to diseases that didn't arise til after agriculture, and numerous other adapations that have only come in the past few thousand years, so anybody talking about how "this isn't our natural lifestyle" is largely talking shit
evolution is still ongoing, and it's produced a lot of change in the past 10,000 years
[QUOTE=cdlink14;51593214]A lot of people are talking about how we should integrate them to our society but personally I am interested in what we could really learn from them. They're not only technologically different, but also massively different psychologically and health-wise.
Firstly they highly likely have little to no dental issues, because unlike us, they eat their food fresh from the animal and they most likely don't partake in a traditional western diet like the rest of us. On top of that they'll have more of a native and instinctual understanding of what we humans require to remain healthy. Modern day humans have their native instincts overwritten pretty fast.
Secondly they probably have a completely different psychological process to us. Human beings are not supposed to feel anger, fear, stress or similar "negative" emotions for more than 30 minutes at a time. They are supposed to be fight or flight emotions, and yet everyone in our modern society feel them pretty much chronically, and feeling them over artificial situations that they were never designed for (money, reputation, job, etc), not to mention the epidemic of psychological conditions such as anxiety.
There's even a chance that these nativesmen haven't even had time to psychologically develop a fear or understanding of death and as such are just running on a simple will to survive.
We are vastly advanced in technology sure, but we are completely out of touch with a lot of our native selves such as diet, and we are hitting limits in terms of how the human mind and body can cope in a modern artificial society without allowing them time to adapt and evolve.
If contact were established there is so much we could learn from them on how to improve our society. Fat chance of that ever happening though.[/QUOTE]
there's something about the way you phrased all of this that sounds incredibly pretentious, uneducated and arrogant at the same time
1) that's not how dental care works. eating food fresh from the animal doesn't make a fucking difference if the meat gets stuck in your teeth and leaves them slathered in oil and detritus.
2) source about not feeling "negative emotions"
3) oh yeah that's what's bugging me, you're treating these people like a bunch of retarded animals instead of a separate civilisation
who are you to treat this culture like a fucking lab experiment instead of the people they are?
God, they deserve better tools! Like m16s! AK47s!
[QUOTE=lintz;51593256]there's something about the way you phrased all of this that sounds incredibly pretentious, uneducated and arrogant at the same time
1) that's not how dental care works. eating food fresh from the animal doesn't make a fucking difference if the meat gets stuck in your teeth and leaves them slathered in oil and detritus.[/quote]
you may find this article interesting. i am assuming, of course, that the diets of these people are closer to that of prehistoric humans than modern day humans
[url]http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/02/24/172688806/ancient-chompers-were-healthier-than-ours[/url]
[quote]3) oh yeah that's what's bugging me, you're treating these people like a bunch of retarded animals instead of a separate civilisation
who are you to treat this culture like a fucking lab experiment instead of the people they are?[/QUOTE]
i'm not really getting that vibe from his post at all, if anything he seems to have a certain reverence for their lifestyle. besides, nothing he posited was out of the normal realm of anthropology
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51593862]you may find this article interesting. i am assuming, of course, that the diets of these people are closer to that of prehistoric humans than modern day humans
[url]http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/02/24/172688806/ancient-chompers-were-healthier-than-ours[/url][/quote]
except this is bullshit - we have evidence of agrarian peoples who (despite having diets heavy in carbohydrates) had excellent dental health.
[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/09/30/ancient-pompeiians-had-good-dental-health-but-were-not-necessarily-vegetarians/#44c3c45a7486[/url]
loads of medieval graves also routinely turn up bodies with excellent teeth from time to time.
also how the fuck do ancient/tribal peoples have a more native/instinctual understanding of what it takes to make somebody healthy? all sorts of people have different treatments for illnesses and injuries, and many of them are pretty ineffective or even harmful
[quote]i'm not really getting that vibe from his post at all, if anything he seems to have a certain reverence for their lifestyle. besides, nothing he posited was out of the normal realm of anthropology[/QUOTE]
nah he's talking shite
[QUOTE=download;51576091]So their children should have no right to proper education and medical care in perpetuum? Because they apparently should remain ignorant of the outside world?
[editline]24th December 2016[/editline]
How can you initiate something if you don't know of it?[/QUOTE]
"White man's burden
n
(Anthropology & Ethnology) the supposed duty of the White race to bring education and Western culture to the non-White inhabitants of their colonies"
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51576460]idk man the arrows and spears coming our way seem to be a pretty good citation[/QUOTE]
i think it's more they don't even know what a helicopter is rather than knowing it's a vehicle that humans use to travel over the land
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