British Judges Free Child Rapists, Say 12-Year-Old Girls “Wanted” Sex - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thisispain;31303547]that doesn't change anything. the only reason the judge is here in the first place is to wonder on the accused's sense of judgement, so they don't re-offend in the future that's what you should start thinking about.[/QUOTE] I know and I understand that but the girl is too young to comprehend what she's doing, she's going through some angsty rebellious bullshit and it went too far. [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;31303550]they still committed a crime.[/QUOTE] No one's arguing that but they shouldn't be punished for that crime because they had no reason to believe the girls were under 16.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31303560]some angsty rebellious bullshit[/QUOTE] man when i think of angsty rebellious shit i think of like starting a punk band or joining an anarchist collective a small girl asking for sex to several men has some issues and problems that need to be sorted out and the first person the court should drag in is her mum.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31303457]"Hello, before I penetrate you, I would like to see a state issued form of identification" [img]http://dirtsquadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/forever-alone-big-500x584.png[/img][/QUOTE] JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. "How old are you?" THAT'S ALL. How hard is it to say those fucking words?! Of course, she's probably going to lie (or not), but then you can use that as a basis on your actions in court. "She told me was over sixteen"

Gang raped by soccer players is like one of my sexual fantasies!. Also I am sure the girls wanted it.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31303515]No question about that, no one is arguing that. We are arguing that if the girls lie, they have it on Facebook and everything, that they shouldn't be able to claim statutory rape.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? That isn't a legitimate argument either. The guys were reckless enough not make sure, beyond reasonable doubt, that the girls were of age, and therefore they broke the law. If a nine year old kid claimed to be 18, and set up their facebook profile to say that they were, would that make someone having sex with them legit? [quote=thisispain]a small girl asking for sex to several men has some issues and problems that need to be sorted out and the first person the court should drag in is her mum. [/quote] I agree, but what's actually gonna happen is that it's going to be referred to Social Services who will then probably proceed to do fuck all.

[QUOTE=thisispain;31303547]that doesn't change anything. the only reason the judge is here in the first place is to wonder on the accused's sense of judgement, so they don't re-offend in the future that's what you should start thinking about.[/QUOTE] you have to ask though, is it even worth it to keep them in jail? like, are these really people who seem like they can't function in society? i mean, they got duped - but so do those people who fall for email scams, which are waaaay more obvious [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mooe94;31303576]JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. "How old are you?" THAT'S ALL. How hard is it to say those fucking words?![/QUOTE] bud, they lied

[QUOTE=thisispain;31303570]man when i think of angsty rebellious shit i think of like starting a punk band or joining an anarchist collective a small girl asking for sex to several men has some issues and problems that need to be sorted out and the first person the court should drag in is her mum.[/QUOTE] Completely agree. There should be some form of disciplinary action taken against the mother, but also the daughter for lying. [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mooe94;31303576]JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. "How old are you?" THAT'S ALL. How hard is it to say those fucking words?! Of course, she's probably going to lie (or not), but then you can use that as a basis on your actions in court. "She told me was over sixteen"[/QUOTE] I've been saying that from the beginning. Read the thread. Laz0r was saying I need identification.

[QUOTE=Mon;31303585]you have to ask though, is it even worth it to keep them in jail? like, are these really people who seem like they can't function in society? i mean, they got duped - but so do those people who fall for email scams, which are waaaay more obvious [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] bud, they lied[/QUOTE] "The girls had lied about their ages, saying they were 16 on Facebook, and were dressed to appear older." Yeah missed that part But still, you don't have to be a drone to ask for someones age

[QUOTE=Mon;31303585]you have to ask though, is it even worth it to keep them in jail? like, are these really people who seem like they can't function in society? i mean, they got duped - but so do those people who fall for email scams, which are waaaay more obvious[/QUOTE] they might be able to function in society but either way they need a very very stern talking to i think they should give them a delayed punishment. you get off scot-free for now, but if you commit a sex crime in the future you'll face a harsher punishment. that is if we lived in a perfect world where people actually think about shit before they do them.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;31303576]JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. "How old are you?" THAT'S ALL. How hard is it to say those fucking words?![/QUOTE] Um have you been following this at all? Delarge already posted that its possible for girls to lie about their age when asked, Lazor followed up by saying he was such a player that he gets visual ID confirmation before he fucks anything. Do you get the joke now maybe??

[QUOTE=Mooe94;31303614]"The girls had lied about their ages, saying they were 16 on Facebook, and were dressed to appear older." Yeah missed that part But still, you don't have to be a drone to ask for someones age[/QUOTE] You have to be a drone to say "I need photo identification issued by the government".

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;31303617]Um have you been following this at all? Delarge already posted that its possible for girls to lie about their age when asked, Lazor followed up by saying he was such a player that he gets visual ID confirmation before he fucks anything. Do you get the joke now maybe??[/QUOTE] Oh. Well thanks for being frank with me, and I can see what you are getting at. Yeah, visual ID information is not really something you could ask for in that scene or moment, unless it's thoroughly planned ahead.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;31303581]Wait, what? That isn't a legitimate argument either. The guys were reckless enough not make sure, beyond reasonable doubt, that the girls were of age, and therefore they broke the law. If a nine year old kid claimed to be 18, and set up their facebook profile to say that they were, would that make someone having sex with them legit?[/QUOTE] They asked the age, they saw the age on Facebook, that is enough in my opinion. Don't get into what ifs though.

[QUOTE=thisispain;31303615]they might be able to function in society but either way they need a very very stern talking to i think they should give them a delayed punishment. you get off scot-free for now, but if you commit a sex crime in the future you'll face a harsher punishment. that is if we lived in a perfect world where people actually think about shit before they do them.[/QUOTE] i can vouch for that while this is a failure of judgement for the men, this is also a failure of society for the girls. with all the hypersexualized clothes, toys, shows and pop idols these girls see, it's a miracle that none of the other ones are doing it

[QUOTE=Mooe94;31303640]Oh. Well thanks for being frank with me, and I can see what you are getting at. Yeah, visual ID information is not really something you could ask for in that scene or moment, unless it's thoroughly planned ahead.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'd totally do it if it were a prostitute or something but I think I'd be more worried about her being a cop than underage :v:

[QUOTE=thisispain;31303615]they might be able to function in society but either way they need a very very stern talking to i think they should give them a delayed punishment. you get off scot-free for now, but if you commit a sex crime in the future you'll face a harsher punishment. that is if we lived in a perfect world where people actually think about shit before they do them.[/QUOTE] Well, they will be, since they have a criminal record, with a year's suspended sentance on there as well. Oh, and if they break probation or commit an offense over the next year they'll return to prison, and serve the rest of the sentance as normal.

You know I really do believe the guys did something wrong but they weren't at fault and it definitely isn't enough to qualify for being on a sex offenders list and having your entire life ruined right there.

Lachorz you likely commit crimes every day without knowing it, should you be prosecuted for each one? I can understand and respect your gripe against adult and minor relations, as it is an extremely questionable circumstance, but please stop saying "it's the law" as "the law" does not automatically justify or in-justify everything, nor does it even represent or balance everybody's best interests. Perhaps in many circumstances statutory rape laws will protect minors, but in many other cases the law itself also winds up being abused by unscrupulous, or downright stupid people. Statutory Rape and Rape are both words of extreme weight. [I]True[/I] statutory rape is despicable, and true rape is generally a horrific experience for the person at the butt end of it. Unfortunately, while many cases may have legitimacy, in many circumstances these words and terms of extreme gravity are abused to ones advantage. I can only hope that true rapists burn in the inner circle of hell (if there is one) but the same goes for those who abuse the term "rape," as it is a word of extreme gravity, and misusing it removes legitimacy from cases where people have been horribly, horribly scarred (both physically and mentally) by [I]real[/I] rape scenarios. I feel as much hatred for [I]liars[/I] as rapists, because the liars actually do more damage in the long run. I dont think this is one of the cases where these girls have been truly scarred by the experience. Then again, it's hard to tell because the article is pure fucking sensationalist rubbish. the article posted used the word "rape" without any fucking discretion, and I am highly, highly skeptical about whether this case has any legitimacy. I have a hard time imagining that a judge as inane as the one described in the article can exist, his words were likely taken out of context (if he was even quoted properly at all), and its unlikely that even a shred of the story posted in the article is true. Come to think of it, it brings me back to my point about liars. it's hard to tell if the story posted is truly accurate or not, because there is so. much. bullshit posted by blogs and news installations.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31303686]You know I really do believe the guys did something wrong but they weren't at fault and it definitely isn't enough to qualify for being on a sex offenders list and having your entire life ruined right there.[/QUOTE] Actually, I don't think they are or will be put on the list, and for most purposes their criminal recorded will be considering 'clean' after 10 years. EDIT: Or maybe they will. In fact, taking a quick look at the law, it seems they probably wouldn't be charged with anything if the girls were 13 or more. [quote=Crown Prosecution Service]Section 5: Rape of a child under 13 - Sections 5-8 apply the main non-consensual offences to children under 13, except that consent in these offences is irrelevant. A child under 13 does not, under any circumstances, have the legal capacity to consent to any form of sexual activity. - Section 5 makes it an offence for a person intentionally to penetrate with his penis the vagina, anus or mouth of a child under 13 - There is no defence of mistaken reasonable belief in age of the complainant. [/quote]

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;31303732]Lachorz you likely commit crimes every day without knowing it, should you be prosecuted for each one? I can understand and respect your gripe against adult and minor relations, as it is an extremely questionable circumstance, but please stop saying "it's the law" as "the law" does not automatically justify or in-justify everything, nor does it even represent or balance everybody's best interests. Perhaps in many circumstances statutory rape laws will protect minors, but in many other cases the law itself also winds up being abused by unscrupulous, or downright stupid people. Statutory Rape and Rape are both words of extreme weight. [I]True[/I] statutory rape is despicable, and true rape is generally a horrific experience for the person at the butt end of it. Unfortunately, while many cases may have legitimacy, in many circumstances these words and terms of extreme gravity are abused to ones advantage. I can only hope that true rapists burn in the inner circle of hell (if there is one) but the same goes for those who abuse the term "rape," as it is a word of extreme gravity, and misusing it removes legitimacy from cases where people have been horribly, horribly scarred (both physically and mentally) by [I]real[/I] rape scenarios. I feel as much hatred for [I]liars[/I] as rapists, because the liars actually do more damage in the long run. I dont think this is one of the cases where these girls have been truly scarred by the experience. Then again, it's hard to tell because the article is pure fucking sensationalist rubbish. the article posted used the word "rape" without any fucking discretion, and I am highly, highly skeptical about whether this case has any legitimacy. I have a hard time imagining that a judge as inane as the one described in the article can exist, his words were likely taken out of context (if he was even quoted properly at all), and its unlikely that even a shred of the story posted in the article is true. Come to think of it, it brings me back to my point about liars. it's hard to tell if the story posted is truly accurate or not, because there is so. much. bullshit posted by blogs and news installations.[/QUOTE] it's Lachz0r... with a zero

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31303886]it's Lachz0r... with a zero[/QUOTE] best come back ever

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;31302360]jeez that sucks she skipped all the years where girls look good[/QUOTE] lol johnny likes <16 year olds

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;31302141]no don't make such absurd assumptions, ghost rater. i just think being punished for committing a crime you didn't know you committed is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] If you didn't know you committed a crime then no crime was committed. That's how it should work, legally. However, I have a difficult time believing that a bunch of grown men were duped into having sex with a 12-year-old just because she said she was 16 on Facebook, especially when she ended up having sex with [i]five[/i] of them.

So the whole thing is kind of like a shop owner going "Hey, we have some free shit in here" and then reporting everyone who took something for free to the police, claiming they stole it? I can see why the men were set free.

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;31302076]it's fucking retarded that if you have sex with a girl who lies about her age, you're the one that gets thrown in jail.[/QUOTE] You're an idiot. How can you not tell if someone is 12 years old? I would understand if it was a 15 year old lying about being 16 but girls who are 12 don't look like they are old enough to have sex. It's like saying a baby said 'fuck me i'm of age' to a guy and then the guy fucked the baby and then got thrown in jail and then you come along and say 'it's fucking retarded that if you have sex with a girl who lies about her age, you're the one that gets thrown in jail'.

[QUOTE=Clark21;31305855]You're an idiot. How can you not tell if someone is 12 years old? I would understand if it was a 15 year old lying about being 16 but girls who are 12 don't look like they are old enough to have sex. It's like saying a baby said 'fuck me' and then a guy fucked the baby and then got thrown in jail and then you come along and say 'it's fucking retarded that if you have sex with a girl who lies about her age, you're the one that gets thrown in jail'.[/QUOTE]That is some serious hyperbole right there. I bet I can do that too. It's like saying a fetus said 'fuck me' and then a guy fucked the fetus and then got thrown in jail and then you come along and say 'it's fucking retarded that if you have sex with a girl who lies about her age, you're the one that gets thrown in jail'.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;31305901]That is some serious hyperbole right there. I bet I can do that too. It's like saying a fetus said 'fuck me' and then a guy fucked the fetus and then got thrown in jail and then you come along and say 'it's fucking retarded that if you have sex with a girl who lies about her age, you're the one that gets thrown in jail'.[/QUOTE] lol yeah I suppose it was but my first point still stands

[QUOTE=Clark21;31305918]lol yeah I suppose it was but my first point still stands[/QUOTE]Well to be honest in this day and age there are some 12 year olds who do look like they are 16. In the end none of us can claim whether or not the men legitimately believed the girls were at the age of consent considering there are no pictures of those girls for us to see.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;31302061]The girls had lied about their ages[/QUOTE] This is the only part that's really important. From now on, card girls before fucking them. [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] wait we don't need to worry about that nvm

[QUOTE=Chilean;31305988]This is the only part that's really important. From now on, card girls before fucking them. [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] wait we don't need to worry about that nvm[/QUOTE]God dammit why is your name Chilean but you have a Norwegian flag as your avatar?