Unusual activity at North Korean nuclear test site.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49258112]They still produce enough that a significant proportion of the population in the city will either die from it, or suffer a range of longterm health problems. In the case of a larger-scale nuclear war that as the one that threatened to annihilate civilization during the cold war, there would be much, much more fallout.[/QUOTE]Yeah if they're downwind and aren't evacuated they will likely consume the short-lived radioactive isotopes produced by a nuclear detonation. Key words though are [I]short[/I] and] [I]term[/I] though, the vast majority of them decay within a week and after two weeks, (11 days, FEMA guidelines advise you stay in your home, seal it up with plastic and tape, and wait that long) it's pretty much safe to walk around. Four inches of soil will need to be disposed of as there are still a few isotopes that will have collected there and one of them has a half-life of 150ish years or so.

Evacuation of the path down-wind would be immediate though or those there would be advised to follow their civil defense plan, every single city has a nuclear attack disaster plan and most communities in the US do too. That particular plan book may be dusty and never touched, but it is there.

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49259199]Yeah if they're downwind and aren't evacuated they will likely consume the short-lived radioactive isotopes produced by a nuclear detonation. Key words though are [I]short[/I] and] [I]term[/I] though, the vast majority of them decay within a week and after two weeks, (11 days, FEMA guidelines advise you stay in your home, seal it up with plastic and tape, and wait that long) it's pretty much safe to walk around. Four inches of soil will need to be disposed of as there are still a few isotopes that will have collected there and one of them has a half-life of 150ish years or so.

Evacuation of the path down-wind would be immediate though or those there would be advised to follow their civil defense plan, every single city has a nuclear attack disaster plan and most communities in the US do too. That particular plan book may be dusty and never touched, but it is there.[/QUOTE]

Given the history of such things I have serious doubts as to it being anything other than a completely catastrophic humanitarian disaster.

Most government recommendations for protecting your home in the event of nuclear attack are largely ineffective and would do little for many people - most of them will still die or suffer from severe health issues.

[kweh]

[QUOTE=0x0000000C;49237081]I completely forgot NK still existed.

Fucking ISIS.[/QUOTE]

Nk should fight isis
And WIN

Like, out of nowhere.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49259262]Given the history of such things I have serious doubts as to it being anything other than a completely catastrophic humanitarian disaster.[/QUOTE]So do you mean 1945 when people literally did not know what fucking hit them?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49259262]Most government recommendations for protecting your home in the event of nuclear attack are largely ineffective and would do little for many people - most of them will still die or suffer from severe health issues.[/QUOTE]FEMA and all the scientists, engineers, and other professionals it employs or consults with would disagree with you. Frankly given that they've specifically researched what we're talking about for decades, I'm going to have to go what they say on the matter.

[editline]7th December 2015[/editline]

Furthermore I'm going to need you to cite a source that backs up your claim because, really, it defies common sense and I don't believe you. (on top of the fact that the government agency and 70+ years of civil defense plans run contrary to everything you're saying)

[editline]didn't want to bump the thread[/editline]

Replying to below:
[QUOTE=download;49263688]You might as well ignore Sobotnik. He and I had a week-long running argument on this where he repeatedly said that everything to do with nuclear protection was stupid and worthless without anything to back it up.[/QUOTE]He and I have had the same argument, he seems like one of those people who think if a tactical nuke is even accidentally detonated everyone will just start wildly firing nukes off in all directions. I mean I've never seen him specifically say that but I get that vibe, but I'm still going to give him the benefit of the doubt here and now.

[Download]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49263539]So do you mean 1945 when people literally did not know what fucking hit them?

FEMA and all the scientists, engineers, and other professionals it employs or consults with would disagree with you. Frankly given that they've specifically researched what we're talking about for decades, I'm going to have to go what they say on the matter.

[editline]7th December 2015[/editline]

Furthermore I'm going to need you to cite a source that backs up your claim because, really, it defies common sense and I don't believe you. (on top of the fact that the government agency and 70+ years of civil defense plans run contrary to everything you're saying)[/QUOTE]

You might as well ignore Sobotnik. He and I had a week-long running argument on this where he repeatedly said that everything to do with nuclear protection was stupid and worthless without anything to back it up.