[QUOTE=NoaJM;42108427]Not to burst your bubble sport, but no matter what government the NBN is put under it would still cost a shitload of money. Nature of the beast and all. But in the end, worth it for the long term beneficial reasons.[/QUOTE]
Yep, even the Liberal plan costs a bunch (like 80% the cost of the full NBN or something), but it pays for itself over time.
Funny thing about building infrastructure, it costs money.
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42108289]The internet filter is a good initiative to help protect children who can too easily be exposed to obscene material online at such young ages. I don't see why anyone wouldn't be in full support of it, it's even opt out.[/QUOTE] i can confirm this, i saw a vagina on the internet when i was 13 and got scarred for life ;(
[QUOTE=cartman;42108425]then why didn't he implement this gay marriage months ago.[/QUOTE]
Because he wasn't the PM you stupid piece of shit.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;42108431]...
Gonna take a guess that you have no idea what you're talking about but any excuse for why the Libs are right is good.[/QUOTE]
I once had a guy tell me the NBN was a waste of money, because the Cat6e he was using at home was faster than the 100Mbps fibre offered.
[QUOTE=Dubious George;42108339]I presume that what has already rolled out will stay where it is, but what of districts where the NBN hasn't been put in yet? Will that be fiber to the house? Or Abbott's fiber to the node?[/QUOTE]
where the contracts have already been made it will be fttp, the rest will be fttn. the biggest difference in the short term is where it will be installed, the coalition promises to focus on areas where speeds are slowest.
[QUOTE=Mkt778;42108439]And will also set us behind the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
its not like the nbn will be done in a year or 2 years or 4 years, its going to take a long time, by the time we would have wasted all this money on the labours nbn something new and faster and cheaper would have come along, spending money on some thing cheaper which gives good speeds is smarter than spending money on something expensive to lose more money in the long run.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108407]Gay marriage is just the fashion of the present and its pointless putting in fibre optics now, 10 years ago it would be good but now the technological advances will trump it soon.[/QUOTE]
yeah gays are just a fashion, they'll all die out in a year or two and we'll be back to 100% straight people like the 90's!
And hey, why even upgrade at all ever? In 10 years we'll be 10 years away from being trumped again!
[QUOTE=cartman;42108433]still less money than labours nbn[/QUOTE] But it'll need to be upgraded in the future anyway, which will cost more money. Installing the copperwire cables now and upgrading to the NBN in the future will cost more than just going with NBN to begin with.
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;42108442]Because he wasn't the PM you stupid piece of shit.[/QUOTE] he could have proposed it before he called the election and i quote "stupid piece of shit".
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;42108435]Yep, even the Liberal plan costs a bunch (like 80% the cost of the full NBN or something), but it pays for itself over time.
Funny thing about building infrastructure, it costs money.[/QUOTE]
That's particularly why I find it odd that the Coalition doesn't just go the whole hog and put it in. Tony is so insistent on being an 'infrastructure prime minister', yet he won't even consider putting in a commodity by today's standards that is sorely needed.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108458]its not like the nbn will be done in a year or 2 years or 4 years, its going to take a long time, by the time we would have wasted all this money on the labours nbn something new and faster and cheaper would have come along, spending money on some thing cheaper which gives good speeds is smarter than spending money on something expensive to lose more money in the long run.[/QUOTE]
You're genius plans for this infrastructure are absolute shit. There is no magic faster tech straight around the corner, these costs will always be there from installation of the cables, even the Libs realise it's going to be slow as shit and this isn't a long-term solution. You don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108458]its not like the nbn will be done in a year or 2 years or 4 years, its going to take a long time, by the time we would have wasted all this money on the labours nbn something new and faster and cheaper would have come along, spending money on some thing cheaper which gives good speeds is smarter than spending money on something expensive to lose more money in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Fibre optic in the long run will last longer and not need to be replaced as often. I doubt in the next 10 years we'll be seeing quantum speed of light downloads at a terabyte a second. And even if it was, then where would we be with copper? Still at 25 mbps. Pathetic.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108470]he could have proposed it before he called the election and i quote "stupid piece of shit".[/QUOTE]
Well liberal could have announced their policies before two days before the election.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;42108482]You're genius plans for this infrastructure are absolute shit. There is no magic faster tech straight around the corner, these costs will always be there from installation of the cables, even the Libs realise it's going to be slow as shit and this isn't a long-term solution. You don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.[/QUOTE] you call 10 MB's + slow ?
[QUOTE=cartman;42108458]its not like the nbn will be done in a year or 2 years or 4 years, its going to take a long time, by the time we would have wasted all this money on the labours nbn something new and faster and cheaper would have come along, spending money on some thing cheaper which gives good speeds is smarter than spending money on something expensive to lose more money in the long run.[/QUOTE]
optical fibre is future-proof though
the actual cable shouldn't ever need to be upgraded since it's essentially just transporting light
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;42108487]Well liberal could have announced their policies before two days before the election.[/QUOTE]
we are talking about gay marriage, liberals policies have nothing to do with it.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42108496]optical fibre is future-proof though
the actual cable shouldn't ever need to be upgraded since it's essentially just transporting light[/QUOTE]
well ill hold you to your word till something better comes out.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108490]you call 10 MB's + slow ?[/QUOTE]
Compared to other first world countries, it sure is.
[QUOTE=NoaJM;42108473]That's particularly why I find it odd that the Coalition doesn't just go the whole hog and put it in. Tony is so insistent on being an 'infrastructure prime minister', yet he won't even consider putting in a commodity by today's standards that is sorely needed.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I think Turnbull is fighting for it (I think the iiNet CEO said the same), when it was originally announced Abbott wanted it scrapped entirely, now we're in a situation where both parties were going to run fibre to everybody, the only differences being in the exact technology used to connect the house to the fibre.
Think of it as Turnbull trying to implement the NBN on a budget, with a boss that says it's stupid because the current network is good enough, he's created something which can be easily upgraded at a later point, but still makes his boss happy.
Any way, its a great day liberal are in and now the unions shall burn and the country will get on track.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108490]you call 10 MB's + slow ?[/QUOTE]
Man I've got a computer for you, it does 300 MILLION computations per second, can hold more books than a library in it's amazing 40 billion byte hard drive, more than 300,000 pixels on the screen at one time, it will blow your mind.
You really don't understand context and technology, do you?
[QUOTE=cartman;42108279]well the damage labour has given us wont be fixed by then it will take a long time but at least we are on track now.[/QUOTE]What? Do you like high bills? Because that's what'll happen when the libs sell off unities and government services, they favour the wealthy, do you earn more than $250,000 a year?
[QUOTE=cartman;42108501]well ill hold you to your word till something better comes out.[/QUOTE]
There isn't for quite a while as fibre optic uses light transmission compared to electrical signals
[QUOTE=cartman;42108497]we are talking about gay marriage, liberals policies have nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Your stupidity. Just shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108490]you call 10 MB's + slow ?[/QUOTE]
You have obviously never worked in a medium-large business/organization.
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[QUOTE=reevezy67;42108525]You have obviously never worked in a medium-large business/organization.[/QUOTE]
He probably works at McDonald's judging from his intelligence.
[QUOTE=cartman;42108501]well ill hold you to your word till something better comes out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Broadband signals travel down the fibre at the speed of light. The only limitation on the speed with which the ones and zeros can be reassembled into pictures, video and words is the NBN box at either end of the link and the capabilities of the home computer and networking gear.
Indeed, the backbone of the NBN, the so-called transit network of large cables that will traverse the nation, is capable of speeds much faster than that: up to 9.6 Terabits per second. This is commercial equipment using 96 beams of light on a single fibre each able to carry 100Gbps.[/QUOTE]
oh man so limiting
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;42108510]Honestly, I think Turnbull is fighting for it (I think the iiNet CEO said the same), when it was originally announced Abbott wanted it scrapped entirely, now we're in a situation where both parties were going to run fibre to everybody, the only differences being in the exact technology used to connect the house to the fibre.
Think of it as Turnbull trying to implement the NBN on a budget, with a boss that says it's stupid because the current network is good enough, he's created something which can be easily upgraded at a later point, but still makes his boss happy.[/QUOTE]
Agreed entirely. The NBN is probably one of the main reasons why I would elect Turnbull.
It's sad I have to ask these questions, especially since I was raised in a Liberal household and therefore more inclined to pro-Liberal views (a few select ones though, gay marriage and asylum seekers notwithstanding. I align to Labor on that). It throws a spanner in the works for me and I can just hope that the Coalition grows a brain and some decency. Preferably a reality check too.
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