Abbott on verge of election victory - Polidicks

[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42116045]Medicare needs to be privatised.[/QUOTE] I hope everyone you know gets cancer and you have to waste every single penny you have ever saved in your life to give them proper medical care, just so you realize how terrible privatized medicare is

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;42116468]What sort of people even voted for the bastards? Talk about being brainwashed.[/QUOTE] people who have seen the damage labor has done first-hand

[QUOTE=abcpea;42116501]speak for yourself[/QUOTE]Did we ask to join the Iraq war? No. Did we ask for a GST? No. Did we want "Work Choices"? No. Did we ask them to sell Telstra? No.

you do not represent the country

[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42116060]Or maybe they could, ya know, get a job and work for their money instead of leeching from everyone else.[/QUOTE] You're a moron. I do work, but I'm only rostered for 8 hours ($120) per week. That doesn't even cover my rent and electricity ($130) every week. If I didn't receive an allowance for studying at university full-time and work didn't call me in extra days a week, there is no way that I would be able to pay for my $50 of groceries every week, hot water, phone and internet, insurance and petrol use. I imagine that you're a 14 year old who's completely reliant on your parents and have never worked a day in your life. You do not understand the struggles that some of us face, like me getting kicked out of home when I was only 17. I am incredibly grateful that the government is there to give me a hand for when things aren't going as good as they could for me.

[QUOTE=abcpea;42116504]people who have seen the damage labor has done first-hand[/QUOTE]Yeah people don't see the damage in the grand scheme of things. 50 year old wankers who believe that a moron like Abbott and that con artist Hocky will fix. They won't, they don't have a clue. They'll just sell off assets and make bills higher. [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=abcpea;42116535]you do not represent the country[/QUOTE]But the country represents me.

Looking forward to seeing how much shit The Honourable Clive Palmer MP (repeat that to yourself a few times) can stir up with parliamentary privilege. News Corp media WATCH OUT! :v:

[QUOTE=gerbe1;42106947]Name a bad thing they did without mentioning the word or any derivative of "debt" or "asylum seeker"[/QUOTE] Because that would be too easy, but facts are facts. " There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead " Cash for clunkers Pink batts scheme Corruption (Craig Thomas and peter slipper for eg) How often was the cabinet reshuffled I wonder.... 3bn a year in interest repayments, thanks Labor! Once again, it's up to the liberal govt to get the budget back on track from reckless mismanagement of the Labor spendings. You can take a horse to water...

[QUOTE=BradB;42116643]Looking forward to seeing how much shit The Honourable Clive Palmer MP (repeat that to yourself a few times) can stir up with parliamentary privilege. News Corp media WATCH OUT! :v:[/QUOTE] If nothing else it will be very fun. He hasn't actually won yet, I might point out, still a quarter of the vote to be counted though he is ahead by 0.9%

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;42116555]Yeah people don't see the damage in the grand scheme of things. 50 year old wankers who believe that a moron like Abbott and that con artist Hocky will fix. They won't, they don't have a clue. They'll just sell off assets and make bills higher.[/QUOTE] so labor killing our largest industries with the carbon tax and destroying small businesses by giving the unions too much power is good for the economy? the majority of labors policy is focused on throwing money at the lower classes, how is this more helpful than what the liberals are doing?

[QUOTE=speedy3020;42116682]Because that would be too easy, but facts are facts. " There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead " Cash for clunkers Pink batts scheme Corruption (Craig Thomas and peter slipper for eg) How often was the cabinet reshuffled I wonder.... 3bn a year in interest repayments, thanks Labor! Once again, it's up to the liberal govt to get the budget back on track from reckless mismanagement of the Labor spendings. You can take a horse to water...[/QUOTE] Interest repayments of 3bn a year is miniscule, that's 1% of budget income. Corruption and cabinet reshuffle had little to no effect on the actual performance of the government, they still put out education reform, health care reform, they made a very positive impact on the environment, protecting the great barrier reef and other environmental areas and like it or not the carbon tax reduced emissions intensity massively. They did all this with very little resistance and good quality control. In a minority government. As for the two major policy failures you have mentioned governments always make mistakes. Howard had the Tampa affair and the Children overboard affair and the AWB Oil for Wheat affair, not to mention work choices. That doesn't make him a terrible person or his government a bad government. And as for spending everyone who knows anything on the matter, the major organisations, the major economists all agree that the Labor government was fiscally responsible in it's response to the GFC. Even the Coalition acknowledges that being in surplus too soon is a bad idea. I really can't see how this government is worse or has done irreparable damage like so many people are hell bent on claiming. In fact, I would argue that Julia Gillard was an excellent Prime Minister considering the hung parliament and in fact the party, given the conditions, did a damn good job. I don't think Australia will ever have a "bad" government. Tony Abbott won't destroy everything, just as the Labor party did not.

[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42115849]education should be completely privatised[/QUOTE] I'm not even kidding but you should be LITERALLY shot for that opinion. People have died for the right to be allowed to be educated. In India children who live in slums sit under busy freeway underpasses where locals have formed a quasi-school environment because they want to learn. Education is a FUNDAMENTAL human right that EVERY individual deserves regardless of race, gender, or creed. For you to even for a moment suggest that it's acceptable to put in place a system that will forever keep those in poverty in poverty is fucking disgusting and you should literally be fucking kneecapped for having such a disgusting stance.

[QUOTE=abcpea;42116792]so labor killing our largest industries with the carbon tax and destroying small businesses by giving the unions too much power is good for the economy? the majority of labors policy is focused on throwing money at the lower classes, how is this more helpful than what the liberals are doing?[/QUOTE] I won't deny that the carbon tax was a bad idea, it's definitely not as economical as an ETS (which Labor did eventually want it to become). However I don't see where you're coming from by saying Labor is giving unions too much power, I know they aren't anti-union but they aren't necessarily pro-union either. The stimulus package idea was very helpful, and is the reason why we were the only developed nation in the world to not be directly affected by the GFC. We never had a quarter where economic growth stopped. 'Throwing money at the lower classes' was very helpful because poorer peoples have a lower marginal propensity to save, and so that stimulus would be injected into the economy by consumers who know better of how to spend it than the government does when regarding the private sector.

[QUOTE=abcpea;42116792]the majority of labors policy is focused on throwing money at the lower classes, how is this more helpful than what the liberals are doing?[/QUOTE] Because the Liberal is just the opposite, throwing money at those who already have it. Both are flawed ideologies but if you look at both parties performances, they both move the country forward. Labor introduces the big reforms and the Liberal party entices business and the rich. Regardless living standards always increase and cost of living always decreases under both governments. Competitiveness also always increases, even with the carbon tax Australia's competitiveness has gone up. [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] Carbon tax was not a bad idea, it is short term pain for long term gain, you can see that in countries like Finland where their tax is now $150USD a tonne and they're still doing exceedingly well. It has grown to that since they implemented it in the 90's.

[QUOTE=gerbe1;42116858]Carbon tax was not a bad idea, it is short term pain for long term gain, you can see that in countries like Finland where their tax is now $150USD a tonne and they're still doing exceedingly well. It has grown to that since they implemented it in the 90's.[/QUOTE] Perhaps me saying that it was a bad idea was wrong. It is not a bad idea, it's just that an ETS is far more economical. It provides incentives for those who can reduce their emissions for the cheapest to actually do it.

[QUOTE=gerbe1;42116707]If nothing else it will be very fun. He hasn't actually won yet, I might point out, still a quarter of the vote to be counted though he is ahead by 0.9%[/QUOTE] I'm doubtful he would win. 1/4 of the vote is postal votes, so they are yet to be counted. And the only parties that really send out postal votes are Labor and Liberal. [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] *postal vote applications. Still, I hope he wins, even for the lols of it

How long before they sell the ABC? [url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/liberal-push-to-sell-off-abc-sbs/story-e6frg996-1226647932360[/url]

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;42116935]How long before they sell the ABC? [url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/liberal-push-to-sell-off-abc-sbs/story-e6frg996-1226647932360[/url][/QUOTE] I hope not cause he openly said that ABC and SBS will remain as they are I love those 2 channels alot

[QUOTE=sltungle;42116852]I'm not even kidding but you should be LITERALLY shot for that opinion. People have died for the right to be allowed to be educated. In India children who live in slums sit under busy freeway underpasses where locals have formed a quasi-school environment because they want to learn. Education is a FUNDAMENTAL human right that EVERY individual deserves regardless of race, gender, or creed. For you to even for a moment suggest that it's acceptable to put in place a system that will forever keep those in poverty in poverty is fucking disgusting and you should literally be fucking kneecapped for having such a disgusting stance.[/QUOTE] this kind of attitude and acting like abbot is going to destroy the country; like the majority of people on here are doing, is unforgivably abhorrent. instead of throwing threats and insults around and ganging up on the minority who disagree with you, you could be having a meaningful and intelligent discussion. but youre all obviously too immature for that

[QUOTE=abcpea;42116982]this kind of attitude and acting like abbot is going to destroy the country; like the majority of people on here are doing, is unforgivably abhorrent. instead of throwing threats and insults around and ganging up on the minority who disagree with you, you could be having a meaningful and intelligent discussion. but youre all obviously too immature for that[/QUOTE] That's not about liberal or labor or Abbott or Rudd - that's a comment about human beings in general. The notion that a system should be put in place which lands people stuck in a perpetual cycle of poverty is unacceptable to have AT ALL. That should never be something that's ever considered by any rational human being. It's a completely unacceptable stance to hold and if you have such an opinion you're a bad person.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;42116935]How long before they sell the ABC? [url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/liberal-push-to-sell-off-abc-sbs/story-e6frg996-1226647932360[/url][/QUOTE] Hopefully as soon as possible. [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sltungle;42116997]That's not about liberal or labor or Abbott or Rudd - that's a comment about human beings in general. The notion that a system should be put in place which lands people stuck in a perpetual cycle of poverty is unacceptable to have AT ALL. That should never be something that's ever considered by any rational human being. It's a completely unacceptable stance to hold and if you have such an opinion you're a bad person.[/QUOTE] How exactly would it keep anyone in "perpetual poverty"?

[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117006] How exactly would it keep anyone in "perpetual poverty"?[/QUOTE] well if they cant get an education because they cant afford it then it will be harder for them to find employment i imagine

[QUOTE=abcpea;42117037]well if they cant get an education because they cant afford it then it will be harder for them to find employment i imagine[/QUOTE] To be fair, just because something can be privatised doesn't mean that it has to be commercialised (think non-profit organisations). But no, the privatisation of education is one of the most terrible ideas anyways.

[QUOTE=abcpea;42117037]well if they cant get an education because they cant afford it then it will be harder for them to find employment i imagine[/QUOTE] What is a loan?

expensive [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] potentially unattainable

[QUOTE=abcpea;42117066]expensive [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] potentially unattainable[/QUOTE] If you're incredibly poor most definitely unattainable.

[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117062]What is a loan?[/QUOTE] Something which can be hard to get if you don't have a good credit rating, or if you don't have a credit rating at all. Why should the right to education be held back by the ability to attain a loan?

[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117062]What is a loan?[/QUOTE] You do know that banks just don't give money to anybody who asks for it right? Banks are only going to give you money if you show you can pay it back, or offer up something as a collateral. I hate to bring up the age issue again, but how old are you? You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how stuff works.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;42116935]How long before they sell the ABC? [url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/liberal-push-to-sell-off-abc-sbs/story-e6frg996-1226647932360[/url][/QUOTE] A privatized ABC and/or SBS would be the worst thing ever, Triple J with commericals haunts me

[QUOTE=abcpea;42117066]expensive [editline]8th September 2013[/editline] potentially unattainable[/QUOTE] The current system is already a loan system where you pay for the education after you have completed your degree and start working. Privatisation would make the system much more efficient.