[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;42117473]yet somehow the general stance is that Labor was "weaker".[/QUOTE]
What the coalition does is make it appear that they are in control of borders by keeping Asylum seekers out of the headlines. Howard moved the migration zone so he could claim there were only a few hundred people coming to Australia by boat, but really there were still the same number, it's just they were never recorded because they didn't "count" and the coalition will legislate so that arrival of boats must be kept secret. Then claim they've stopped them.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42117457]so is the sole reason why people are against labor is because of asylum seekers?
im just baffled you guys had such a stable country with one of the best economy in the world along with several polls stating they're the best cities to live in then voted away the government responsible for it
i would die for that kind of party
im so confused lol[/QUOTE]
We are spoiled. We never felt the effects of the GFC, we were led to believe that our economy was barely scraping by under Labor, that we had a budget emergency under Labor. Not many people here in Australia realised that we were the only developed nation in the world to not be negatively affected by the GFC, that while other countries were being downgraded on their credit ratings that we kept ours which is the highest that it can be and of which we share with only a few other nations in the world (even the US has a lower rating). And while nations such as the US had public debt of around 100% of the US GDP, ours is only hovering at 20% of our GDP which is only a fraction of what the US GDP is.
It's not just his fault, but Rupert Murdoch's media campaign for some crazy political agenda successfully convinced us that we had it so bad under Labor, yet under the last Labor government we had it the best in the world, and indeed we were the envy of the world on many things.
can an anti-labor member just fucking tell me why labor is bad in comparison to the liberals??
all ive been seeing is 'HAHA LABOR FPERS SO MAAAD' or 'PRIVITAISE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING IN EXISTENCE'
wtf did labor do that they deserved the boot when every time i read about austrailia, it was about how awesome it is over there???
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117478]Yeah lets just let every single person into the country without question, who cares who they are? They will all surely respect our customs, culture and laws fully![/QUOTE]
They do in Canada. They do in Italy. They do in numerous countries with no adverse affects. You're fooling yourself if you think these people are a threat.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42117507]can an anti-labor member just fucking tell me why labor is bad in comparison to the liberals??
all ive been seeing is 'HAHA LABOR FPERS SO MAAAD' or 'PRIVITAISE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING IN EXISTENCE'
wtf did labor do that they deserved the boot when every time i read about austrailia, it was about how awesome it is over there???[/QUOTE]
Its just different groups being vocal. When labors in power, labor supporters are vocal. When liberal is in power, liberal supporters are vocal.
And of course it wouldn't be without question, they'll be subject to security checks, but you don't have to put them in prison to do that. They even do it in Australia and New Zealand for people who have all the right papers, not that they're easy to get mind you.
[editline]help me I am going to die[/editline]
Gah. Missed my auto merge.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42117507]can an anti-labor member just fucking tell me why labor is bad in comparison to the liberals??
all ive been seeing is 'HAHA LABOR FPERS SO MAAAD' or 'PRIVITAISE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING IN EXISTENCE'
wtf did labor do that they deserved the boot when every time i read about austrailia, it was about how awesome it is over there???[/QUOTE]
Knee-jerk reaction to when a political party don't as well as they said they would (aka another day in politics.) That and unstable leadership (hung parliament, government hanging on by a few independent people) or banging on about the economy like usual.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42117507]can an anti-labor member just fucking tell me why labor is bad in comparison to the liberals??
all ive been seeing is 'HAHA LABOR FPERS SO MAAAD' or 'PRIVITAISE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING IN EXISTENCE'
wtf did labor do that they deserved the boot when every time i read about austrailia, it was about how awesome it is over there???[/QUOTE]
I'm not anti-Labor (although they were the third preference in my vote for the House of Reps) but people consider Labor to be hopeless because 'they can't manage a budget', that things like the National Broadband Network were too expensive, that the carbon tax would harm the economy (a slight degree of truth to that, but even Labor wanted to move on from the carbon tax to the ETS over time which would be a lot better), that asylum seeker policy was failing (and to me it was one of the points where I disagreed with Labor). Also, some people don't reckon that Labor has the leadership needed to run the country, which is true to a degree seeing that in the time Abbott was Opposition Leader we went from Rudd to Gillard and then back to Rudd again.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42117321]there is seriously something fundamentally wrong with you
you realise centrelink exists solely to help people who aren't fully able to help themselves? anyone capable of finding a job or supporting themselves on their own doesn't get help from centrelink. believe me i've tried before.
it's for people who are physically or mentally or socially handicapped. people who are not easily employable. or alternatively people unable to work enough hours due to other commitments like education. give me one good reason why we shouldn't HELP THESE PEOPLE find JOBS or GIVE THEM FINANCIAL AID TO LIVE.
you are so misinformed and deluded it's hard to even believe.[/QUOTE]
imo there should be a flat welfare payment that everyone gets, it would make sure those who need it get it, and those who dont need it are just going to pay it back in tax. it also gives more incentive to work when youre on the dole.
[editline]8th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;42117368]And what is wrong with asylum seekers? (but just saying, Labor's asylum seeker policy is just as terrible as the Coalition's policy to me).[/QUOTE]
labors policy is WORSE! they just want to dump them in png, whereas the liberals want to stop the boats and provide a safer, legal alternative for refugees to enter the country
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117423]The government creates monopolies and then hands them over to private enterprise, when there is no competition there is no reason to perform well. The government is purely at fault for not having any foresight.[/QUOTE]
There cannot be competition in the electricity sector, because the costs of start up are way to high. All sellers of electricity are reselling the same thing, and have a wholesale price they can sell it at.
If you haven't realised, not everything can be privatised. Things like healthcare have been shown to result in market failure when left solely in the hands of private citizens, such as in America. Look at the costs of healthcare there. That is market failure.
[QUOTE=abcpea;42117662]labors policy is WORSE! they just want to dump them in png, whereas the liberals want to stop the boats and provide a safer, legal alternative for refugees to enter the country[/QUOTE]
Labor's policy is the same as the Coalitions, but yeah Labor introduced PNG which is a terrible solution. Worse? No. They are both trying to outdo each other. Everyone wants to stop the boats and provide a safer, legal alternative for refugees to enter the country. You can't attribute that to just the Coalition. That's delusional.
Additionally the coalition is cutting legal fees for all asylum seekers regardless of how they got here. That's pretty abhorrent.
If you want to be a diehard Liberal, find another way. Not even the current crop of Liberals are as far right as you.
Congratulations Australia on making as bad of a choice as we did
The commonwealth is dead rip
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42117457]so is the sole reason why people are against labor is because of asylum seekers?
im just baffled you guys had such a stable country with one of the best economy in the world along with several polls stating they're the best cities to live in then voted away the government responsible for it
i would die for that kind of party
im so confused lol[/QUOTE]
Because for the last year all we've seen on TV is ads telling us how shit the current state of the country is, and how we need a new government to fix it all up. With no facts or anything to back up those claims.
For every positive ad for Abbott, there was about 5 negative ads for labor.
Eventually people started believing it.
The Libs in this thread are proof of that. Talking about how we've been living in a shithole the last 6 years and it's time we fought back. When they haven't looked around and seen Australia actually came out of the GFC on top.
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117478]Yeah lets just let every single person into the country without question, who cares who they are? They will all surely respect our customs, culture and laws fully![/QUOTE]
Customs and culture are fluid concepts. If we as a nation lived by the historical culture we've developed, then we'd still have either White Australia Policy or the customs of a thousand different Indigenous land custodians.
I know it's really very easy to see Andrew Bolt say that all Asylum Seekers are terrorists, misogynists and rapists, but it's just not actually true. A daily diet 7 News and Murdoch press isn't going to make you an informed voter but thanks for posting anyway!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42117711]Congratulations Australia on making as bad of a choice as we did
The commonwealth is dead rip[/QUOTE]
New Zealand is doing a good job though. It's basically Australia anyway, so we can say Australia has ETS, gay marriage and is relatively nice to Asylum Seekers. You just need to be in the state of New Zealand.
[QUOTE=abcpea;42117662]
labors policy is WORSE! they just want to dump them in png, whereas the liberals want to stop the boats and provide a safer, legal alternative for refugees to enter the country[/QUOTE]
Never mind that they're cutting legal access and the refugee intake quota
[QUOTE=gerbe1;42117729]New Zealand is doing a good job though. It's basically Australia anyway, so we can say Australia has ETS, gay marriage and is relatively nice to Asylum Seekers. You just need to be in the state of New Zealand.[/QUOTE]
new zealand has marauding gangs of hobbits and a government that doesn't care
[editline]8th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;42117740]Never mind that they're cutting legal access and the refugee intake quota[/QUOTE]
Why don't they just build more concentration camps for the refugees like you already have
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117423]The government creates monopolies and then hands them over to private enterprise, when there is no competition there is no reason to perform well. The government is purely at fault for not having any foresight.[/QUOTE]
The government creates public services, and then another political party (such as the liberals) comes in and privatizes said public services thus turning them into a private monopoly.
You rave and rant about how they should privatize everything but clearly you haven't read up on how low the telephone pricing was before it was sold to telstra, or how well electricity pricing was done before it was privatized in Victoria.
It's quite clear you haven't read up anything on the matter and are probably someone who has never worked a day in their life, has parents that are rich and buy you everything you own and pre-order you every single game and console there is on the market.
Seriously, privatization only makes pricing more expensive for people, stifles the economy, stops people spending as much, reduces tax revenue, and damages the economy.
That also happens when the government tries really hard to get a surplus in a really short amount of time, they stop putting money into the economy, spending stops, tax revenue stops, the economy stops and crashes, inflation skyrockets, and everything that could go wrong, goes wrong.
Jesus Christ, all of the Liberal supporters in this thread that are bashing the Labor supporters who hate Tony Abbott are a hell of a lot more far right than the Liberal Party themselves.
Maybe you should all move to America so you can have a circlejerk with the Republicans and leave the people who actually care about this country alone.
[QUOTE=darcy010;42117722]Because for the last year all we've seen on TV is ads telling us how shit the current state of the country is, and how we need a new government to fix it all up. With no facts or anything to back up those claims.
For every positive ad for Abbott, there was about 5 negative ads for labor.
Eventually people started believing it.
The Libs in this thread are proof of that. Talking about how we've been living in a shithole the last 6 years and it's time we fought back. When they haven't looked around and seen Australia actually came out of the GFC on top.[/QUOTE]
funny 'cause all ive seen were ads by labor saying how abbot is the antichrist
[QUOTE=megafat;42117749]Jesus Christ, all of the Liberal supporters in this thread that are bashing the Labor supporters who hate Tony Abbott are a hell of a lot more far right than the Liberal Party themselves.
Maybe you should all move to America so you can have a circlejerk with the Republicans and leave the people who actually care about this country alone.[/QUOTE]
Some common sense in this thread is nice for once.
my local thrift store is called abbotts
its really good
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;42117724]Customs and culture are fluid concepts. If we as a nation lived by the historical culture we've developed, then we'd still have either White Australia Policy or the customs of a thousand different Indigenous land custodians.
I know it's really very easy to see Andrew Bolt say that all Asylum Seekers are terrorists, misogynists and rapists, but it's just not actually true. A daily diet 7 News and Murdoch press isn't going to make you an informed voter but thanks for posting anyway![/QUOTE]
Can't wait for sharia law! It'll be such a progressive day for society.
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117830]Can't wait for sharia law! It'll be such a progressive day for society.[/QUOTE]
do you live in like a bubble?
[QUOTE=megafat;42117749]Jesus Christ, all of the Liberal supporters in this thread that are bashing the Labor supporters who hate Tony Abbott are a hell of a lot more far right than the Liberal Party themselves.
Maybe you should all move to America so you can have a circlejerk with the Republicans and leave the people who actually care about this country alone.[/QUOTE]
Glad to see caring about the country now means opening it up to anybody who can make it into our waters.
[QUOTE=abcpea;42117753]funny 'cause all ive seen were ads by labor saying how abbot is the antichrist[/QUOTE]
I agree their ads were awful, they should have spread knowledge about their policies and the fact that we actually came out on top of the GFC.
As much as I dislike Abbot it was wrong of them to do that.
[editline]8th September 2013[/editline]
It probably hurt them more than it helped.
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42117830]Can't wait for sharia law! It'll be such a progressive day for society.[/QUOTE]
I need a rating for that which is even worse then dumb.
[QUOTE=abcpea;42117753]funny 'cause all ive seen were ads by labor saying how abbot is the antichrist[/QUOTE]
Both sides were spamming stupid attack ads. Just like any time there's an election here.
The only time I can remember seeing a political ad that wasn't attacking the other party was during the last QLD state election, Anna Bligh had some ads going "Man, remember that big flood? I didn't fuck up handling that too badly, eh? Vote for me."
[QUOTE=AWarGuy;42117761]Some common sense in this thread is nice for once.[/QUOTE]
Not really. It's easy to say all Liberal voters are idiots, but no one seems to realise that a Coalition victory was inevitable, and I speak as a moderate/former Liberal. If people took off their rose tinted goggles about their beloved parties and had a nice look at why the Liberals were elected in, it'd make a lot more sense.This thread was just painful to watch on both sides. Labor supporters making themselves seem like the shining beacon of lights of society because they support gay marriage (whoop-de-doo, so does the majority of Australia) and Liberal supporters just being stupid generally with their extreme right wing thoughts.
It's also annoying to have people come in and say "I'm sorry Australia". No one really asked for your pity and we'll just chug along as fine as anyone else. Just because the party you wanted to get in didn't get in doesn't mean it's time to act immature and have a whinge about how democracy doesn't work in your favour. It's pathetic.The arrogance of some people here is astounding. People will change if they're not happy, and they showed their displeasure with their votes. They don't chug along with the same party if it displeases them. Whatever your opinion is, being all negative and acting like a child and saying everyone is wrong but yourself just succeeds in making you look like a prick. And because someone will inevitably say "So you're a Liberal/you hate human rights/it's easy to stay on the fence and talk about how high and mighty you are", I'll just rebut with this. I am prone to pro-Liberal views I'll admit, but that's only because I was raised that way. I align myself with left ideals nowadays. I don't hate human rights in the slightest, that's preposterous; I think it's despicable that the Coalition is taking a "stop the boats" policy, which just paints us to seem like xenophobic cunts. And I'm not trying to be high and mighty in the slightest, but people aren't treating this whole thing maturely at all. To me, it just seems we're all interested in self satisfaction, not reality.
I would be saying this if the parties were swapped, because it's the truth. The truth is, Labor's intentions are honourable, fair and just. That I can admire. But they fucked up big time. Kevin Rudd was the downfall of the party this election. He made it seem like he was the boss and he was going to make things better himself. But people only saw the fact that the party was in shambles and fighting constantly because he didn't let Labor work as a team.Stop looking at the fact that Kevin is this swearing, charming, funny and honourable man because he promised something that would make people happy and look at how he acted in office. He was insufferable enough that people decided a change was in order.
Everyone needs to chill out, calm their tits, suck it up, see how things go. Take a breath from this whole fucking revelation and look at the bigger picture. Sooner or later, something has got to give. As I've said many times with the fullest confidence, the Coalition would do themselves a massive disservice not implementing the NBN and they would need to push through gay marriage (or at least make it a peoples referendum) if they wish to remain in office.
People just see Tony Abbott or Liberals or whatever and they just cry conservative and bemoan that things are going to change for the worse. Times are changing and things will change. We're all just riled up at the moment (including myself, seeing as how I'd just typed all that out. It's just annoying that people are treating this as a black and white thing instead of stepping back and looking at why this happened).
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