Swordsman goes on stabbing spree at Swedish school, shot by police
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[QUOTE=RichyZ;48959365]
but also a ton of Amazing Atheist vids in his likes lol[/QUOTE]
Are we gonna blame him for this?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48959427]Swords were designed and made purely to kill other human beings, so... I'm gonna still keep the one next to my bed, just in case. :v:v
Gee, I wonder why.
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/latest-2-arab-attackers-shot-stab-israeli-052839670.html]Here's a source for you.[/url][/QUOTE]
Not to derail the discussion, but that's [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34513693"]not the primary reason[/URL] for this specific round of stabbing sprees.
[QUOTE]What's behind the latest unrest?
After a period of relative quiet, violence between the two communities has spiralled since clashes erupted at a flashpoint Jerusalem holy site in mid-September. [B]It was fuelled by rumours among Palestinians that Israel was attempting to alter a long-standing religious arrangement governing the site[/B]. Israel repeatedly dismissed the rumours as incitement. Soon afterwards, two Israelis were shot dead by Palestinians in the West Bank and the stabbing attacks began. Both Israel and the Palestinian authorities have accused one another of doing nothing to protect each other's communities.[/QUOTE]
So anyway, shutting up about this in this thread.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48958327]Geez, that's fucking nuts
[editline]22nd October 2015[/editline]
Do we know a motive?[/QUOTE]
he's a fucking nutjob
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48959680]Putting aside all alleged youtube accounts and social media, police and news say the dude was likely a right wing extremist who possessed a lot of ww2 memorabilia and a hate for immigrants.
Not saying the dude's a nazi but he's probably totally a nazi.[/QUOTE]
it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was totally a nazi i just wasn't caring for people using his youtube likes as a primary source for him being a nazi
It may have been posted already, but there was apparently somebody biking around swinging an axe around Piteå as well.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48958285]A damn lot of reasons can drive a person to do something like this. If you actually wish to understand why, psychology holds a few answers.[/QUOTE]
Reasons should involve reasoning. All people such as these have are excuses.
The Fox trying to say the attack wasn't racially motivated is giving me flashbacks of people who said the charleston shooting wasn't racially motived, some even saying it was an attack on Christians.
"The dude liked dozens of nazi shit on youtube."
"Not good proof, it could've been harmless historical interest."
"The dude was a Swedish Dem who angrily ranted about multiculturism and immigrants in the internet."
"That's awful. He was probably mentally deranged." (Ignore the fact that the mentally ill are usually much more likely to become victims instead of criminals)
"He went to slash-up a school with a higher immigrant population despite living closer to more homogeneous school."
"Beats me. Maybe he had history with that school or something, I don't know."
Whatever though, I know people are just gonna scream LONE WOLF! and MENTALLY ILL! instead discussing the threat of organized far-right extremists who haved killed more people compared to Muslim extremists because time is one gigantic, flat fucking circle.
P.S: I love researching and watching videos about far-left politics on youtube. Let's say I were to destroy the brass bull of New York and start shooting at men in fancy suits. Do these acts make me a far-left terrorist or just a crazy guy who had a particular hatred of brass bulls and men in fancy suits?
[QUOTE=The fox;48959559]Except the youtube videos are a made up lie. You can view his channel a post or two above.[/QUOTE]
It's like you latch onto one point and just suck it dry, like a deluded leech or something.
On topic, this is wicked fucked but I'm incredibly interested to see the police's conclusion after this
[QUOTE=axelord157;48961026]The Fox trying to say the attack wasn't racially motivated is giving me flashbacks of people who said the charleston shooting wasn't racially motived, some even saying it was an attack on Christians.
"The dude liked dozens of nazi shit on youtube."
"Not good proof, it could've been harmless historical interest."
"The dude was a Swedish Dem who angrily ranted about multiculturism and immigrants in the internet."
"That's awful. He was probably mentally deranged." (Ignore the fact that the mentally ill are usually much more likely to become victims instead of criminals)
"He went to slash-up a school with a higher immigrant population despite living closer to more homogeneous school."
"Beats me. Maybe he had history with that school or something, I don't know."
Whatever though, I know people are just gonna scream LONE WOLF! and MENTALLY ILL! instead discussing the threat of organized far-right extremists who haved killed more people compared to Muslim extremists because time is one gigantic, flat fucking circle.
P.S: I love researching and watching videos about far-left politics on youtube. Let's say I were to destroy the brass bull of New York and start shooting at men in fancy suits. Do these acts make me a far-left terrorist or just a crazy guy who had a particular hatred of brass bulls and men in fancy suits?[/QUOTE]
I see you have an issue with my post where I stated the guy was probably a loner with some mental instability. I didn't mean it to be offensive or derogatory towards though with mental illness. What I mean is people who are given a bad hand in life will often look for something to blame it on, an identity and a group of people who they can fit into. This is why such people fall prey to far right or islamist groups. Its not just mental illness, might also be bad upbringing, being on the wrong side of the law or even something like not being able to find a job.
I really didn't mean to make you or any other feel unhappy and I'm not saying at all that people with mental illness/issues should be profiled for these attacks. I do suspect though that if he had been given proper therapy or his issues identified and attended to likelihood is he wouldn't have done what he did.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48961939]I see you have an issue with my post where I stated the guy was probably a loner with some mental instability. I didn't mean it to be offensive or derogatory towards though with mental illness. What I mean is people who are given a bad hand in life will often look for something to blame it on, an identity and a group of people who they can fit into. This is why such people fall prey to far right or islamist groups. Its not just mental illness, might also be bad upbringing, being on the wrong side of the law or even something like not being able to find a job.
I really didn't mean to make you or any other feel unhappy and I'm not saying at all that people with mental illness/issues should be profiled for these attacks. I do suspect though that if he had been given proper therapy or his issues identified and attended to likelihood is he wouldn't have done what he did.[/QUOTE]
in my opinion you're both right, of course it's about any social factors affecting them as a person whether it be upbringing, family history, being bullied, if you're born in a white pride context or whatever the fuck.
That stuff should always be talked about, it is vital to bring science, psychology and so on into it all, but you can do both this and discussing threats of political contexts, because politics is also a social factor, big or small, which can affect people and their surroundings, etc.
Not saying that who you vote for is necessarily making you become one thing, really in the end it's all about learning empathy and respect for everyone. Ultimately we're all human of course, I think we can all agree; but sometimes people really do forget that.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48961939]I see you have an issue with my post where I stated the guy was probably a loner with some mental instability. I didn't mean it to be offensive or derogatory towards though with mental illness. What I mean is people who are given a bad hand in life will often look for something to blame it on, an identity and a group of people who they can fit into. This is why such people fall prey to far right or islamist groups. Its not just mental illness, might also be bad upbringing, being on the wrong side of the law or even something like not being able to find a job.
I really didn't mean to make you or any other feel unhappy and I'm not saying at all that people with mental illness/issues should be profiled for these attacks. I do suspect though that if he had been given proper therapy or his issues identified and attended to likelihood is he wouldn't have done what he did.[/QUOTE]
Understood. Good upbringings, positive socialization, and stable environments usually don't produce spree killing terrorists.
I fail to understand how the perpetrator's alleged political affiliations are relevant. Really only his actions matter. Trying to determine the cause of his actions in order to find something to blame is, as always in these cases, an excercise in futility.
Police are now confirming race related motives behind the stabbings. What a surprise...
Swedish source:
[URL]http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/dadet-i-trollhattan-ett-hatbrott/[/URL]
[QUOTE=DMGaina;48958660]Imagine what would have happened if he had a gun.[/QUOTE]
The same thing probably except with bullets?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48964406]Police are now confirming race related motives behind the stabbings. What a surprise...
Swedish source:
[URL]http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/dadet-i-trollhattan-ett-hatbrott/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Ugh, can't we all just get along..
Racists attacking immigrants, immigrants attacking Swedes
No-one is safe here anymore... People need to learn to live in peace even if they don't like each other
Saying that "No one is safe" is a massive exaggeration.
[QUOTE=Zovox;48964563]Racists attacking immigrants, immigrants attacking Swedes
No-one is safe here anymore... People need to learn to live in peace even if they don't like each other[/QUOTE]
The way you worded that makes it sound like the racists are some protectors of the swedish people, attacking those who attack the swedes.
The immigrants who attack swedes are a minority, just as racists are a minority of swedes. You've worded that to make immigrants, as a whole, more dangerous and worrying than racists, not sure if it was on purpose or just an unfortunate coincidence.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48964719]
The immigrants who attack swedes are a minority, just as racists are a minority of swedes. You've worded that to make immigrants, as a whole, more dangerous and worrying than racists, not sure if it was on purpose or just an unfortunate coincidence.[/QUOTE]
Sweden is taking in too much people and its having consequences. The society can't provide for the influx of people and so they don't feel like they belong to a community. Its not really a coincidence that the most crime-ridden and violent cities in Sweden are those with the largest refugee and immigrant communities. Malmo, etc
Am I saying that justifies the attack? Of course not.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48964719]The way you worded that makes it sound like the racists are some protectors of the swedish people, attacking those who attack the swedes.[/QUOTE]
A really insecure and weak minded young person feels like they don't belong anywhere and latch onto a community that will accept anybody of their race or some religion that'll embrace anybody as a member.
After they meet that need they go onto satisfying the natural desire many of us have to benefit the world and that usually means helping the crazy loonies they got involved with. Pretty common story.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48964756]Sweden is taking in too much people and its having consequences. The society can't provide for the influx of people and so they don't feel like they belong to a community. Its not really a coincidence that the most crime-ridden and violent cities in Sweden are those with the largest refugee and immigrant communities. Malmo, etc
Am I saying that justifies the attack? Of course not.
[/quote]
Dump a bunch of people with lower standards of education, less chance of getting hired for jobs (education, cultural, language or racial reasons), less money into an area and the area will naturally be worse off than the surrounding areas. Worse off areas are a petri dish for crime. Same thing for black communities in america in the 90s and earlier (the legacy lives on with blacks more likely to be jailed and black names more likely to be declined for job applications) or places like mossside in manchester (uk) in the 90s. This is why refugees need to be dispersed more evenly instead of being dumping into 1 community, availability for jobs and education also help with this. If you make it so people don't need to turn to crime for money or identity then they won't turn to crime.
[quote]
A really insecure and weak minded young person feels like they don't belong anywhere and latch onto a community that will accept anybody of their race or some religion that'll embrace anybody as a member.
After they meet that need they go onto satisfying the natural desire many of us have to benefit the world and that usually means helping the crazy loonies they got involved with. Pretty common story.[/QUOTE]
Yup
Generally the term anomie is used to describe why people in similar situations commit suicide, but I think it applies here.
Some sort of disconnect happens between the individual and society. They are left with goals which are either unclear or unattainable. Upon realizing this, something simply breaks in them. Veterans, after returning from conflict and trying to reintegrate into society, have a similar problem and, unsurprisingly, a high suicide rate.
While we downplay it, I think mass attacks, like this one, are really a form of suicide more than anything else. It isn't a mental health thing and it isn't even a criminal thing. While something is certainly wrong with these people, it isn't necessarily something innate. Depression, for instance, is completely normal under certain circumstances and is not an inherently indicator of an underlying condition. Anomic suicide is the response that relatively normal people have to anomie, the difference here is that these people try to take others with them, which seems to be a wrinkle in the pattern. Ultimately, my guess is the reason is the same as everyone points out: media coverage.
Whether he was some nazi or not is irrelevant. The target, in my estimation, was himself, whether he knew it consciously or not. The way to keep it from happening further is to downplay it. You won't keep these people from ending their own lives, but you can remove their motivation to do it publicly.
[QUOTE=Ax3l;48964683]Saying that "No one is safe" is a massive exaggeration.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it is. I'm sorry.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48964719]The way you worded that makes it sound like the racists are some protectors of the swedish people, attacking those who attack the swedes.
The immigrants who attack swedes are a minority, just as racists are a minority of swedes. You've worded that to make immigrants, as a whole, more dangerous and worrying than racists, not sure if it was on purpose or just an unfortunate coincidence.[/QUOTE]
What I was trying to say that racists are targeting immigrants specifically while immigrants attacking people are not targeting racists in particular.
It's hard to explain, but my point is that we have two minorities fighting each other and that shit has to stop before it escalates.
Lavin Eskandar, attacked the swordsman after seeing what was going on. He unfortunately passed away from his injuries.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/IszqBP2l.jpg[/IMG]
This just up
[quote]Film from inside the school showing the 21-year old from inside the school: "Was marching around like a military"
"Spared the people with light skin"
"Anton, 21, left goodbye-letter behind."[/quote]
IE he wrote a suicide note
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48964803]Dump a bunch of people with lower standards of education, less chance of getting hired for jobs (education, cultural, language or racial reasons), less money into an area and the area will naturally be worse off than the surrounding areas. Worse off areas are a petri dish for crime. Same thing for black communities in america in the 90s and earlier (the legacy lives on with blacks more likely to be jailed and black names more likely to be declined for job applications) or places like mossside in manchester (uk) in the 90s. This is why refugees need to be dispersed more evenly instead of being dumping into 1 community, availability for jobs and education also help with this. If you make it so people don't need to turn to crime for money or identity then they won't turn to crime.[/QUOTE]
They are being dispersed though, the problem is that we are taking in far to many and you can't make them stay at certain places. Also, everyone who comes to Sweden no matter the circumstances has access to free education up until uni and while I do believe it helps it's not enough for this never ending barrage of people. In 2014 1/4 of the immigrants who came here highly educated (bachelor or higher) were still without jobs and wasn't studying after 10 years according to SCB.
We might think that we are helping in this crisis but what we really are doing is selecting a few refugees (relative to all of them) and giving them a pretty shitty living standard for loads of money. Our current minister of finance even want's to take half our money reserved for foreign aid and put it into integration, killing lots of people and we don't even have homes for the ones coming here so our government wants to put up tents now. All the money being put into this could be used to save a lot more people if put into the UNHCR but that would require us to close the borders which will never happen with this retarded government.
There is light at the end of the tunnel though, I give this government a maximum of a year before being toppled and replaced by either a coalition between the Alliance (all our right wing-parties) and the Social Democrats or the Sweden Democrats.
[editline]23rd October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48965042]Lavin Eskandar, attacked the swordsman after seeing what was going on. He unfortunately passed away from his injuries.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/IszqBP2l.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That guy is a real hero, I would run like hell if someone went berserk with a sword here.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;48965827]They are being dispersed though, the problem is that we are taking in far to many and you can't make them stay at certain places. Also, everyone who comes to Sweden no matter the circumstances has access to free education up until uni and while I do believe it helps it's not enough for this never ending barrage of people. In 2014 1/4 of the immigrants who came here highly educated (bachelor or higher) were still without jobs and wasn't studying after 10 years according to SCB.
We might think that we are helping in this crisis but what we really are doing is selecting a few refugees (relative to all of them) and giving them a pretty shitty living standard for loads of money. Our current minister of finance even want's to take half our money reserved for foreign aid and put it into integration, killing lots of people and we don't even have homes for the ones coming here so our government wants to put up tents now. All the money being put into this could be used to save a lot more people if put into the UNHCR but that would require us to close the borders which will never happen with this retarded government.
There is light at the end of the tunnel though, I give this government a maximum of a year before being toppled and replaced by either a coalition between the Alliance (all our right wing-parties) and the Social Democrats or the Sweden Democrats.
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tl;dr for the following novel:
refugees will be around for a while so we might as well integrate them and make them "pay their keep"
Gov spend money to stimulate economy helping provide jobs for citizens and refugees (we're out of recession now, sure itd create debt but its an investment, any modern capitalist government/company has and operates using debt)
Build houses if you need houses (or incentivise development of brown field sites) (and itd help make jobs)
Aid is good but imo its better for your country to to spend it helping refugees in your country.
People need work, pride and to feel welcome and valued if they are to integrate, otherwise they will turn to crime and the community will be split.
Anyway I see your grievances here. It is expensive and resources are not allocated efficiently. The lack of jobs thing might be about permission to work or availability of jobs, if they could work it gives them money and also pride. When people are unemployed they get stuck in a rut and become unhappy, drudgery is depressing but so is unemployment imo moreso. At least if they are educated then there is potential for them contribute more than someone who never had primary education etc ie at least theyre literate. The language barrier would still be a big road bump. Lack of jobs is an issue faced by everyone at the moment I'm no economist so this might be wrong but governments can provide loans to stimulate economies and help businesses create more jobs, recession is technically over and if we plan to pick up growth more so having more people making and spending money seems like the way to go.
Lack of houses is something, in UK the same arguement is used but reality is lack of available houses, there are plenty of empty buildings which landlords refuse to sell (land banking) or refuse to renovate since building a more desirable property on greenbelt land (undeveloped green natural land) would be more profitable than renovating/redeveloping/cleaning brown field (previously built on) sites.
If there is a lack of available housing then it might be an opportunity to stimulate the economy and under go housing projects, this might be naive of me and I'm sure some will have issues with the building of houses or question whether or not the gov should be stimulating the economy through loans. Anyway.
IMO, and criticise me if you will, using foreign aid to help refugees is admirable. In the long run it will do more to help your country (stimulate economy, aid integration, improve community spirit, educate new workers, make more jobs) than to send it to countries where it might be misappropriated, corrupted or used to enable crappy systems (uk sends loads to india despite india having a space program). I'm all for helping people and sending aid but if the people at home + refugees need help then they should get priority. Again this might be naive of me, aid buys loyalty and helps international relations, realpolitik etc. That money could be used to stop being needing tents and help them become productive members of society (lets face it integration is needed atm since the unrest in syria/afghanistan/africa aren't going to end in the next decade regardless how much is spend on bombs or aid, imo its in powerful peoples interests to keep those wars going so they can keep selling arms or use it for leverage).
Lil bit odd you see a right wing & SD coalition as the light at the end of the tunnel.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48966103]tl;dr for the following novel:
refugees will be around for a while so we might as well integrate them and make them "pay their keep"
Gov spend money to stimulate economy helping provide jobs for citizens and refugees (we're out of recession now, sure itd create debt but its an investment, any modern capitalist government/company has and operates using debt)
Build houses if you need houses (or incentivise development of brown field sites) (and itd help make jobs)
Aid is good but imo its better for your country to to spend it helping refugees in your country.
People need work, pride and to feel welcome and valued if they are to integrate, otherwise they will turn to crime and the community will be split.
Anyway I see your grievances here. It is expensive and resources are not allocated efficiently. The lack of jobs thing might be about permission to work or availability of jobs, if they could work it gives them money and also pride. When people are unemployed they get stuck in a rut and become unhappy, drudgery is depressing but so is unemployment imo moreso. At least if they are educated then there is potential for them contribute more than someone who never had primary education etc ie at least theyre literate. The language barrier would still be a big road bump. Lack of jobs is an issue faced by everyone at the moment I'm no economist so this might be wrong but governments can provide loans to stimulate economies and help businesses create more jobs, recession is technically over and if we plan to pick up growth more so having more people making and spending money seems like the way to go.
Lack of houses is something, in UK the same arguement is used but reality is lack of available houses, there are plenty of empty buildings which landlords refuse to sell (land banking) or refuse to renovate since building a more desirable property on greenbelt land (undeveloped green natural land) would be more profitable than renovating/redeveloping/cleaning brown field (previously built on) sites.
If there is a lack of available housing then it might be an opportunity to stimulate the economy and under go housing projects, this might be naive of me and I'm sure some will have issues with the building of houses or question whether or not the gov should be stimulating the economy through loans. Anyway.
IMO, and criticise me if you will, using foreign aid to help refugees is admirable. In the long run it will do more to help your country (stimulate economy, aid integration, improve community spirit, educate new workers, make more jobs) than to send it to countries where it might be misappropriated, corrupted or used to enable crappy systems (uk sends loads to india despite india having a space program). I'm all for helping people and sending aid but if the people at home + refugees need help then they should get priority. Again this might be naive of me, aid buys loyalty and helps international relations, realpolitik etc. That money could be used to stop being needing tents and help them become productive members of society (lets face it integration is needed atm since the unrest in syria/afghanistan/africa aren't going to end in the next decade regardless how much is spend on bombs or aid, imo its in powerful peoples interests to keep those wars going so they can keep selling arms or use it for leverage).
Lil bit odd you see a right wing & SD coalition as the light at the end of the tunnel.[/QUOTE]
I see what you mean and I agree that we should try to integrate the ones here because the war will not end in a long time. I don't think the people who are here and have the bare necessities of life should get the money that will save lives in the camps in the countries around Syria though. I have seen many different numbers on where the money will help most but there seems to be a consensus between experts that putting more money into foreign aid helps a lot more than trying to let everyone get a standard Swedish life here. The camps in places like Lebanon are already heavily under-financed and many people are dying everyday. If we cut half of our money going to places like this we will murder thousands of people.
We are already building as many apartments as we can (literally) to handle the housing problem as well as reusing empty buildings like old police buildings and prisons but we estimate that we will need more than twice of what we will be able to build in one year by the next year. That's why the government wants to build tent-camps now. It might be doable here in the southern part of Sweden but winter is just around the corner and it's going to be a living hell for people up north. We have had this housing problem since before the refugee crisis but it's not until now the government has started to do something drastic about it.
Also the right-wing here is extremely progressive compared to the right-wing in other countries. I have mixed feelings about the Sweden Democrats though but they wouldn't be able to do anything drastic unless they got majority which I don't think will happen and even if they did I'm not sure if they would do a worse job than our current government. The bottom line is that something needs to be done about the border IMO. We are currently taking in over 2000 refugees and immigrants a day and I'm not sure we can take proper care of the ones who are already here. So far we have taken in about 90 000 this year and our population is around 10 000 000.
[QUOTE=GunFox;48964964]Generally the term anomie is used to describe why people in similar situations commit suicide, but I think it applies here.
Some sort of disconnect happens between the individual and society. They are left with goals which are either unclear or unattainable. Upon realizing this, something simply breaks in them. Veterans, after returning from conflict and trying to reintegrate into society, have a similar problem and, unsurprisingly, a high suicide rate.
While we downplay it, I think mass attacks, like this one, are really a form of suicide more than anything else. It isn't a mental health thing and it isn't even a criminal thing. While something is certainly wrong with these people, it isn't necessarily something innate. Depression, for instance, is completely normal under certain circumstances and is not an inherently indicator of an underlying condition. Anomic suicide is the response that relatively normal people have to anomie, the difference here is that these people try to take others with them, which seems to be a wrinkle in the pattern. Ultimately, my guess is the reason is the same as everyone points out: media coverage.
Whether he was some nazi or not is irrelevant. The target, in my estimation, was himself, whether he knew it consciously or not. The way to keep it from happening further is to downplay it. You won't keep these people from ending their own lives, but you can remove their motivation to do it publicly.[/QUOTE]
This.
Though I would differ with you a little on the concept that it isn't a Mental Health thing. It is, 100%. But not by the definition of Mental Health that today's society and the media uses. When we normally hear about Mental health problems we automatically associate it with Mental Disability. Something is wrong with them, like a table with a wobbly leg. -And unfortunately most people go down the way of seeing it as 'unfixable' unless you toss them full of drugs and lock them away for the rest of their life.
Instead, Depression and such mentalities as what we've seen here come to a frothy head and end up causing tragedies because they go largely ignored. The person definitely had something wrong with them. But it was in mental capacity and critical thinking. Something prevented that part of the brain (and maybe it is biological) from making the correct decisions. THAT is, in its' purest essence, a Mental Health problem.
No one, outside of the professionals and law, typically have an interest in trying to fix or help those in need. It is why we have things such as the "Bystander Effect". The more and more I look at society as a whole and the human being, the more I am convinced that despite all of our technologies and advancements, we have thus far failed to grasp what is truly important; The human that is all of us.
For instance, we disconnect from each other unless it fills some need of ours (Sex for example.). Now some would point out that this is a natural trait and process of the universe; If man/creatures were not self-serving then how could they ever be expected to survive the trials of life? But unfortunately, for a global society like ours, leaving so many Mental Loose Ends so to speak, is only going to see the continuation of these sort of tragedies.
TBH, I think we see a lot fewer of these happening in places like Sweden and the likes because societal priorities are different there than places like here in the US. However because our Global Society is so interconnected now there is no way to keep "the crazies" from popping up anywhere in the World.
Besides, Humans are fucked up. We do some stupid shit for no reason.
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