• "We Don't Spy on Americans, Just 'Anti Government' Americans"
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[QUOTE=Foxtrot200;40138245]The government shouldn't have to protect itself from its citizens. If it does, it's a dysfunctional government.[/QUOTE] self-preservation is the name of the game.
Yeah, that's irrelevant lol. Notice how the data is still not gathered by fusion centers, the fusion center merely wrote its report based on said data, because that's its job. What that article is actually highlighting is a fault in the process that decides which reports are written based on the data they receive. That does seem like an issue to me, but its hardly as serious as these articles are making it out to be. As your article itself states: [QUOTE]“The (Senate) report fundamentally misunderstands the role of the federal government in supporting fusion centers and overlooks the significant benefits of this relationship to both state and local law enforcement and the federal government. Among other benefits, fusion centers play a key role by receiving classified and unclassified information from the federal government and assessing its local implications, helping law enforcement on the frontlines better protect their communities from all threats, whether it is terrorism or other criminal activities.” [/QUOTE]
and honestly when you think about it. the 99% of people shouldn't have to deal with an uprising of the other 1% because they don't like the government like everyone else does. so you take out the dissidents and everyone else is free to live a happy, peaceful life. all these gun nuts threatening to overthrow the government are literally the small minority who are trying to create problems for everyone else.
[QUOTE=notrabies;40139205]Yeah, that's irrelevant lol. Notice how the data is still not gathered by fusion centers, the fusion center merely wrote its report based on said data, because that's its job. What that article is actually highlighting is a fault in the process that decides which reports are written based on the data they receive. That does seem like an issue to me, but its hardly as serious as these articles are making it out to be. As your article itself states:[/QUOTE] I think you are missing the issue. It is not that they are not actively hooked up to cameras or microphones, but that they advocate spying and judge innocent 'anti-governmentists' as terrorists and threats and the like. A knife is only as good as it's hilt.
[QUOTE=Baboo00;40138684]In the words of Thomas Jefferson, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of anti-government Americans."[/QUOTE] They better get someone on this Jefferson guy. He might be dangerous.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40139244]I think you are missing the issue. It is not that they are not actively hooked up to cameras or microphones, but that they advocate spying and judge innocent 'anti-governmentists' as terrorists and threats and the like. A knife is only as good as it's hilt.[/QUOTE] No I get that, but here's the major concern. Does the government decide to ignore possible national threats and allow people to die because they ignored the threat in its backyard, or does the government risk overstepping its boundaries by monitoring potentially dangerous elements? In an ideal world of course the government wouldn't have to worry about ridiculous threats and such like this and would be able to stay away from the private lives of its citizens, but that's not the world we currently live in. There is major political pressure to keep Americans safe, as we keep finding out after things like mass shootings and terrorist plots, so the government is at way more danger by failing to protect its citizens than by overextending its powers. You don't have to like it, but that's the current political climate we live in.
You're not a real American if you disagree with the government... damn, [I]American Ideals[/I] have mean't nothing to a huge population of American's for centuries.
Just because you're anti government doesn't mean you're anti America..
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;40137347]isnt this the same argument they used when spying on communist americans in the 50s?[/QUOTE] it's also the same argument Russia used to spy on their own citizens
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;40139218]and honestly when you think about it. the 99% of people shouldn't have to deal with an uprising of the other 1% because they don't like the government like everyone else does. so you take out the dissidents and everyone else is free to live a happy, peaceful life. all these gun nuts threatening to overthrow the government are literally the small minority who are trying to create problems for everyone else.[/QUOTE] so if i am an anarchist i should be "taken out" by the government?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;40139218]and honestly when you think about it. the 99% of people shouldn't have to deal with an uprising of the other 1% because they don't like the government like everyone else does. so you take out the dissidents and everyone else is free to live a happy, peaceful life. all these gun nuts threatening to overthrow the government are literally the small minority who are trying to create problems for everyone else.[/QUOTE] dON'T WORRY, THEY'RE DOING IT FOR THE GREATER GOOD!
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;40139218]and honestly when you think about it. the 99% of people shouldn't have to deal with an uprising of the other 1% because they don't like the government like everyone else does. so you take out the dissidents and everyone else is free to live a happy, peaceful life. all these gun nuts threatening to overthrow the government are literally the small minority who are trying to create problems for everyone else.[/QUOTE] 100% of people shouldn't have to deal with the shit the US government spews out on a daily basis.
A revolution would be most disruptive. I have to go to the local shop to get some bread and milk at regular intervals. If that is interrupted by a mob killing the shop owner for being an enemy of the revolution (and then killing a bunch of bus drivers when they refused to carry the revolutionaries without them paying fares) then I would be greatly annoyed.
What defines an Un-American American? [img]http://www.politifake.org/image/political/0912/thats-obvious-obama-dumb-as-a-rock-political-poster-1261249374.jpg[/img] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Image Macro" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40137419']I would bet that communists/anarchists/socialists and fascists are still on the list of "0/10 would-spies". In fact, we know they are. There's strong evidence that the federal government is observing leftist organizations, especially after OWS. For instance, the FBI records on OWS observations, the grand jury show trial of 3 leftist activists out west, the setting up of the anarchists arrested for attempting to blow up a bridge (the FBI plants gave them the explosives and proposed the plans), and the raiding of leftist anti-war activist offices and homes in 2010. I mean, it's more or less a fact that reds scare the feds.[/QUOTE] the FBI has never taken on right-wing militias, ever
[QUOTE=scout1;40140809]the FBI has never taken on right-wing militias, ever[/QUOTE]Actually, they did investigate nationalist groups like the KKK and similar organizations.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;40140027]100% of people shouldn't have to deal with the shit the US government spews out on a daily basis.[/QUOTE] i don't think you speak for everyone else.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;40140836]Actually, they did investigate nationalist groups like the KKK and similar organizations.[/QUOTE] Yes that's the point.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40139746]so if i am an anarchist i should be "taken out" by the government?[/QUOTE] Bought a Rage against the Machine song on iTunes? Execution by firing squad
[QUOTE=scout1;40140809]the FBI has never taken on right-wing militias, ever[/QUOTE] Does Wacom count?
Well this isn't anything new. I remember way back my family being asked to help spy on a neighbor for the very same reasons. Fortunately nothing ever came of it. that neighbor was awesome.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;40140836]Actually, they did investigate nationalist groups like the KKK and similar organizations.[/QUOTE] The government doesn't attack them as much. The government is busy attacking Labor movements and friendly Islamic societies which do no harm.
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