Uninsured Aurora Victim Could Face $2 Million In Medical Bills
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[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36919607]so if a man is totally wacko-jacko bonkers off his head, it's up to him to cure himself?
that's fucking primeval logic and you know it, i thought you were smarter than this.[/QUOTE]
no because the very reason of government in the first place is to safeguard against people's stupidity
if you live in a society where there's no free-at-point-of-access healthcare and you don't buy health insurance, then I'm sorry but you're fucking retarded and you're not entitled to healthcare. this is basically the simplest argument I know of in favor of socialised healthcare
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;36919639]Couldn't you use the same argument to justify nanny-state stuff like forcing all cars to have breathalyzers or banning the sales of soda in containers above a certain size or etc? I don't disagree that the government should be helping it's citizens, but I think we need to be careful in clarifying what role it's supposed to fulfill.[/QUOTE]
offering health care to citizens who clearly need help with it is not going to cause some snowball effect leading to the police busting your door down if you drink too much soda. This isn't a matter of an invasion of liberty, it's about making sure the population is being properly cared for. And when someone gets shot at no fault of their own by some maniac in a movie theater, with a new child on the way, and they are set to be millions in debt, there is clearly a problem with the system.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36919648]no because the very reason of government in the first place is to safeguard against people's stupidity
if you live in a society where there's no free-at-point-of-access healthcare and you don't buy health insurance, then I'm sorry but you're fucking retarded and you're not entitled to healthcare. this is basically the simplest argument I know of in favor of socialised healthcare[/QUOTE]
health insurance =/= caring for the mentally unsound
im sorry but youre being totally retarded here. if a man is mentally unsound and is a danger to himself and or others, he is a ward of the state and must be cared for by the state, he cannot tend to himself and it would be criminal to let him do so. to think otherwise is to be socially equivalent to lichen.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36919681]health insurance =/= caring for the mentally unsound
im sorry but youre being totally retarded here. if a man is mentally unsound and is a danger to himself and or others, he is a ward of the state and must be cared for by the state, he cannot tend to himself and it would be criminal to let him do so. to think otherwise is to be socially equivalent to lichen.[/QUOTE]
uh im not even disagreeing with you????
youve either got the wrong end of the argument or you performed a DEFCON argument strategy
(launch fucking everything and hope it sticks)
And this is why we need universal healthcare. This man, through no fault of his own, is financially fucked, and it's entirely because of the GOP's resistance to allowing us the same level of healthcare our own hat has.[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36919648]no because the very reason of government in the first place is to safeguard against people's stupidity
if you live in a society where there's no free-at-point-of-access healthcare and you don't buy health insurance, then I'm sorry but you're fucking retarded and you're not entitled to healthcare. this is basically the simplest argument I know of in favor of socialised healthcare[/QUOTE]
Right, so because I can't afford to buy insurance and nobody is willing to hire me I should be denied medical care through no fault of my own? I want it but I can't get it. The economy still sucks too much, every place I put an application in doesn't even have the balls to call back and say they don't need me much less actually attempt an interview, and with no money I can't pay insurance premiums.
You're fuckin' stupid and should be ashamed.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;36919639]Couldn't you use the same argument to justify nanny-state stuff like forcing all cars to have breathalyzers or banning the sales of soda in containers above a certain size or etc? I don't disagree that the government should be helping it's citizens, but I think we need to be careful in clarifying what role it's supposed to fulfill.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Forcing all cars to have breathalyzers isn't quite the same as subsidizing healthcare like the rest of the civilized world.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;36919645]Well, yeah. You could start a kickstarter but I doubt that it'll hit 2 million $...[/QUOTE]
if a kickstarter for some stupid fucking failure of a console like the ouya can hit 4 million i think it would be pretty fucking awful if one for this dude wouldn't be able to hit half that.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36919582]devil's advocate for a moment:
no, the govt is meant to provide law and order and protect borders from foreign incursion. everything else can theoretically be delegated to the private sector[/QUOTE]
In all honesty the government should be spending every penny of the tax you give them to make your life better.
america has shitty healthcare if you're middle class or below.
you guys realize that "free healthcare (obamacare) " isn't really free? :/ the guy could of paid for his insurance, he didn't but he was treated anyway he should consider himself lucky, people are contributing to help him pay his bills.
And this is why you have insurance
Dumb? I know he shouldn't have to pay for insurance for something that should be a right, but he should have dealt with it and had insurance, woulda saved him bankruptcy and 2 million dollars.
[QUOTE=Bentham;36919677]offering health care to citizens who clearly need help with it is not going to cause some snowball effect leading to the police busting your door down if you drink too much soda. This isn't a matter of an invasion of liberty, it's about making sure the population is being properly cared for. And when someone gets shot at no fault of their own by some maniac in a movie theater, with a new child on the way, and they are set to be millions in debt, there is clearly a problem with the system.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying offering healthcare will cause a snowball effect; like I said, I agree that the government should be doing it. I'm just saying that we should do it for the right reasons.
Shouldn't he be covered by Obamacare?
Holy shit, if you're going to implement something, at least fucking do it right.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;36919795]I'm not saying offering healthcare will cause a snowball effect; like I said, I agree that the government should be doing it. I'm just saying that we should do it for the right reasons.[/QUOTE]
I'd say preventing crap like this is a decent reason, at least.
[QUOTE=Clementine;36919780]And this is why you have insurance[/QUOTE]
yeah mate i'm sure paying a good few hundred a year for insurance is totally reasonable i mean its not like we need to eat or anything and i mean [I]everyone[/I] expects to get shot in a theater, right?
[QUOTE=DarkSiper;36919779]you guys realize that "free healthcare (obamacare) " isn't really free? :/ the guy could of paid for his insurance, he didn't but he was treated anyway he should consider himself lucky, people are contributing to help him pay his bills.[/QUOTE]
Nobody here claimed that it was just magically free.
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[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36919807]yeah mate i'm sure paying a good few hundred a year for insurance is totally reasonable i mean its not like we need to eat or anything and i mean [I]everyone[/I] expects to get shot in a theater, right?[/QUOTE]
Let's not forget those pesky pre-existing conditions that us plebs annoy those nice insurance companies with.
Government health care wants people to be healthy so they don't have to spend as much money. Private health care wants people to be sick so they can make money.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36919648]no because the very reason of government in the first place is to safeguard against people's stupidity
if you live in a society where there's no free-at-point-of-access healthcare and you don't buy health insurance, then I'm sorry but you're fucking retarded and you're not entitled to healthcare. this is basically the simplest argument I know of in favor of socialised healthcare[/QUOTE]
Don't most people get denied health insurance, if they can even afford it?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36919582]devil's advocate for a moment:
no, the govt is meant to provide law and order and protect borders from foreign incursion. everything else can theoretically be delegated to the private sector[/QUOTE]
sure
if you think that's why government was created
but if you read into political philosophy you'd see that this is mostly absolute bull
this idea that government exists to merely hold together individuals and private enterprise who then as individuals organise society just doesn't happen.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;36919752]america has shitty healthcare if you're middle class or below.[/QUOTE]
This is not true. The healthcare is one of the best in the world, with some of the most advanced technologies available. But if we're talking about healthcare [I]insurance[/I], then you may have a point.
And also, no one is turned down for not being able to pay at the time. Surgeries are done, and the patient can pay whenever. The doctors' number one goals are to help the patients, and they usually do a pretty fine job of it. I don't know about you guys, but if I had a life-threatening condition, I would have it fixed, even if it puts me into debt. Health over money.
[QUOTE=Ast_risk;36919916]This is not true. The healthcare is one of the best in the world, with some of the most advanced technologies available. But if we're talking about healthcare [I]insurance[/I], then you may have a point.
And also, no one is turned down for not being able to pay at the time. Surgeries are done, and the patient can pay whenever. The doctors' number one goals are to help the patients, and they usually do a pretty fine job of it. I don't know about you guys, but if I had a life-threatening condition, I would have it fixed, even if it puts me into debt. Health over money.[/QUOTE]
It's only the best for those who can afford it.
i'd be willing to bet that one of those kickstarter-esque things would raise at least a portion of the money needed for this guy
I love how in America owning a firearm is considered a right but healthcare isn't.
[QUOTE=David29;36920028]I love how in America owning a firearm is considered a right but healthcare isn't.[/QUOTE]
I don't
I think it's incredibly sad
I realise you meant it in a sarcastic way, but I'm done with joking and bantering about it.
America, your system is fucked up and people are suffering. It is sad.
Nothing we can do when America smells the money
[QUOTE=The golden;36920200]I don't think there is a word or saying in the English language that adequately describes my gratefulness that I do not live in the USA. [/QUOTE]
"fucking hell i love you NHS" might be a good description
[QUOTE=thisispain;36920241]"fucking hell i love you NHS" might be a good description[/QUOTE]
It actually annoys me when you have pundits insulting the NHS.
My father is alive because of it, and didn't have to pay a penny, and for that I'm eternally grateful.
i've had to turn away people before when i worked at a hospital here in California, just because they didn't have adequate insurance or bad credit.
that's right guys, they do credit checks on you before they even consider doing treatment.
[QUOTE=TestECull;36919738]Right, so because I can't afford to buy insurance and nobody is willing to hire me I should be denied medical care through no fault of my own? I want it but I can't get it. The economy still sucks too much, every place I put an application in doesn't even have the balls to call back and say they don't need me much less actually attempt an interview, and with no money I can't pay insurance premiums[/quote]
Where else is the money for your health care going to come from if it's not you paying the premiums? The doctors have to be paid for their labor, the equipment needs to be provided, the money for all of it has to come from somewhere.
It's government policies that have driven up the costs to where many people can't afford health care. The solution isn't to have even more inefficient government policies disrupting the market and driving the costs up even higher.
[quote]You're fuckin' stupid and should be ashamed.[/quote]
Someone could just as easily say the same thing about your opinions. It's meaningless
[QUOTE=draugur;36919801]Shouldn't he be covered by Obamacare?
Holy shit, if you're going to implement something, at least fucking do it right.[/QUOTE]
All that really does is make health insurance mandatory and eliminate some loopholes / set tighter regulations for insurance companies. If you are too poor for insurance, you're still pretty much fucked.
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