• Uninsured Aurora Victim Could Face $2 Million In Medical Bills
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[QUOTE=dass;36921219]I still don't understand why the fuck don't people want Obamacare. Wouldn't it be a huge improvement in life for lots of people, especially this guy?[/QUOTE] because it means raised taxes. And as a poor person, that fucking blows, if the rich simply paid just a little more, I'd still be poor as fuck, but at least I could continue saving my $10 every month instead of having to get another job to make three.
[QUOTE=dass;36921219]I still don't understand why the fuck don't people want Obamacare. Wouldn't it be a huge improvement in life for lots of people, especially this guy?[/QUOTE] It's an improvement for the sick. It financially hurts the healthy (higher premiums to subsidize the sick) and many businesses (employer mandate) and the people who will be laid off because of it. Since the costs will go up as a result of this, many healthy people (who the insurance system needs to survive) may just decide to go uninsured and pay the fee (oh wait, I mean "tax") instead of astronomical premiums every month, then just enroll when they get sick and need the care (since you can't be denied for pre-existing conditions now)
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36919582]devil's advocate for a moment: no, the govt is meant to provide law and order and protect borders from foreign incursion. everything else can theoretically be delegated to the private sector[/QUOTE] The way I see government, is that it is simply part of the population and that its job is to look after the people and itself. A government that doesn't look after its people isn't a good one, and is inevitably doomed to failure in the end if it keeps messing up. I.e if people want socialised healthcare, and the government is unwilling or unable, it is kinda doomed to failure.
[QUOTE=Clementine;36919780]And this is why you have insurance Dumb? I know he shouldn't have to pay for insurance for something that should be a right, but he should have dealt with it and had insurance, woulda saved him bankruptcy and 2 million dollars.[/QUOTE] If he had insurance, the insurance company would probably say "it's a pre-existing condition, we don't have to cover it" or "talk to this and this and this person and fill out two thousand copies of this sheet" or maybe just "not our fault, not our problem" like they always do and then laugh all the way to the bank.
[QUOTE=Ridge;36920784]I'm saying the media should have enough common courtesy for the dead to be buried before bringing politics into this. Same for the politicians.[/QUOTE] How about we have courtesy for the living by not making them go bankrupt because they were fucking shot instead? "Let's not bring politics into this" is the same tired old cliche used by people whose ideas have been proven wrong by reality to defend their continued willful ignorance. Everything is politics. If you don't think the healthcare discussion is a reasonable topic to bring up in this here then JUSTIFY WHY. Tell me why, exactly, this man should be forced to pay for his own medical bills because until you convince me that that is the case I will reserve my right to bring politics into this discussion.
[QUOTE=Clementine;36920909]Poor people always come out with the "I BET UR JUST SO YOUNG" because I don't see eye to eye with your unfortunate upbringing and social standing.[/QUOTE] You're trolling now right? I'm saying you're young because you're uninformed and naive.
[QUOTE=Ridge;36920784]I'm saying the media should have enough common courtesy for the dead to be buried before bringing politics into this. Same for the politicians.[/QUOTE] politics is the reason this happens. are you telling me the political strife of healthcare is not associated with the people who die or get denied treatment?
[QUOTE=dass;36921219]I still don't understand why the fuck don't people want Obamacare. Wouldn't it be a huge improvement in life for lots of people, especially this guy?[/QUOTE] I'm poor and healthy. This is going to massively degrade my quality of life.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;36919422]How is this even a thing? God health care in this country is fucking STUPID. I find it funny people want to destroy Obamacare even though there are INSANE hospital bills like this for uninsured people.[/QUOTE] I think that is the point people against it are trying to make. 2 million dollars of tax money going to that. Not sure if it works like that but whatever.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36921858]I'm poor and healthy.[/QUOTE] delicious, delicious hubris everyone is healthy until they get sick and then it's too late to get health insurance if they didn't already have it. It's a catch-22
[QUOTE=DarkSiper;36919779]you guys realize that "free healthcare (obamacare) " isn't really free? :/ the guy could of paid for his insurance, he didn't but he was treated anyway he should consider himself lucky, people are contributing to help him pay his bills.[/QUOTE] No one ever said obamacare was free?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36921967]delicious, delicious hubris everyone is healthy until they get sick and then it's too late to get health insurance if they didn't already have it. It's a catch-22[/QUOTE] I haven't had to go to the doctor since 1998. I have a strong immune system I'm not particularly accident-prone, so it's proven cheaper for me to go without insurance and just eat my expenses (fyi 2 million dollar medical bill actually means $10,000 over the course of 20 years. they always work out deals with the patients). the American healthcare system is problematic but forcing American to buy health insurance or get fined isn't the answer
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36922040]I haven't had to go to the doctor since 1998. I have a strong immune system I'm not particularly accident-prone, so it's proven cheaper for me to go without insurance and just eat my expenses[/QUOTE] quote everybody who waited until it was too late to get health insurance ever ever ever, 2012 [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36922040] (fyi 2 million dollar medical bill actually means $10,000 over the course of 20 years. they always work out deals with the patients).[/QUOTE] so for the rest of his working life he has to pay ten thousand dollars a year (not accounting for interest) because he was shot by a madman. lucky him.
I'm for Universal Health Care, it's a neat idea if it's done perfectly, but Obamacare isn't the way to do it at all, especially for my family. When we looked up the costs per person it would affect me, my mother and father, it turned out to be more expensive by quite a bit more than the plan we're getting through my fathers work now, and that's something we really couldn't afford at all, we're already balancing the bills, gas, and shit like that. It's would do a lot to us, and quite a few family friends we talked to, more so than the health care plans a lot of people we've talked to had settled out and used. If some option comes along that makes it easier on us than Obamacare would, me and my family would be in love with the idea, but it wouldn't make sense for us to want something that would cost us more than these apparently evil insurance companies we have now.
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36922076]quote everybody who waited until it was too late to get health insurance ever ever ever, 2012 so for the rest of his working life he has to pay ten thousand dollars a year (not accounting for interest) because he was shot by a madman. lucky him.[/QUOTE] no, 10,000 over the course of 20 years way to grasp simple comprehensive reading skills that means 500 a year or $41 and some change a month if you failed math class too.
a deal with the patient relies on their credit dude. i've worked in a hospital and i can tell you very rarely does anyone give deals to patients. most of the time they just don't get treated.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36922356]a deal with the patient relies on their credit dude. i've worked in a hospital and i can tell you very rarely does anyone give deals to patients. most of the time they just don't get treated.[/QUOTE] those people didn't get shot in the eye did they?
Where in the hospital did you work? Like the ER or what? I have tons of family who work at our local hospital but I have no idea how it works or who does what, but I've never heard of people getting turned away when they have serious things like this going on.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36922391]those people didn't get shot in the eye did they?[/QUOTE] you can't see the forest for the trees dude. Getting shot is no more valid a reason to receive medical care than having cancer or being in a car accident or contracting some crazy disease. Even if this dude does get his bills paid because he's a high-profile case, all of the people that thisispain mentioned as an example still aren't going to get it
There is no way this donation drive will fail. As a matter of fact, I think its only a matter of time before this guy gets on major news networks, and may seriously affect political thinking reguarding healthcare in the country 1. Injured in a massively covered national massacure, which is a media beehive 2. Can't afford the hospital care, which is not only obscenely expensive, but spells out just how bad the healthcare situation is 3. Because it directly ties into a massively covered hotbutton issue in this years election (health care), that's another aspect that'll give this guy the coverage he needs to raise the money I can definatly see this guy getting airtime and even some political backing because his healthcare situation shows just how broken the system is, in a national spotlight that we don't usually get to see. Which is something we need.
[QUOTE=KnightVista;36919506]Sure, I can dye my hair too and make silly facial expressions in public too, even plead insanity. But the fact is he killed and hurt dozens of people. It's not the governments job to keep people healthy.[/QUOTE] um actually it is
This is the #1 reason I'm grateful that I don't live in the U.S. I'd would have been dead by 16 years old or sorely in debt if I did. Seriously though, I don't know how some people can justify supporting privatized healthcare when you have people being charged hundreds of thousands for medical bills (sometimes for a single test) on top of the crap that insurance companies pull. Granted, it doesn't help when you have channels like Fox demonizing and outright lying about systems that work differently without evidence to back up their claims.
[QUOTE=l l;36921649]You're trolling now right? I'm saying you're young because you're uninformed and naive.[/QUOTE] Probably older than you, to be fair, 18.
[QUOTE=Clementine;36923205]Probably older than you, to be fair, 18.[/QUOTE] how unfortunate
[QUOTE=Last or First;36921118]So you [I]do[/I] understand that poor people can't afford it. So you have no excuse for saying "lol they should just buy it". Or do you understand it?[/QUOTE] I suppose its unfortunate that people are in the barrel so hard a few hundred a year is too much for them to bare.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36923212]how unfortunate[/QUOTE] I think I've been put under the wrong impression, that prior poster said "several hundred a year" which doesn't sound like a lot considering its usefulness...but I guess my health insurance costs $200 each person (4 people) So, well, that's weird, being misinformed and made fun of for the resulting opinions gathered from those lies. Yay!
[QUOTE=The golden;36923221]If myself and my immediate family lived in the US then I would most likely have four dead relatives. Simply just cannot afford medical bills.[/QUOTE] I'll bet, health problems are a real bugger even without a crappy health care system. That especially applies to those problems that can have the tendency to affect multiple family members, Crohn's Disease being one of them actually.
Reminds me of this good argument that I heard for universal health care. Go up to a republican and ask him that if someone injured in 9/11 didn't have insurance, should they not have gotten free healthcare?
I hope all of that $6k I raised goes to this man.
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