Students across the U.S. mass protest against decadence surrounding education systems. Demand purges - Polidicks

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49118547]what a canard it is to imply other majors are in it for the passion are you seriously going to tell me all those psych majors really love it how many millions of graduates show up with no idea what they want to do fuck college seriously[/QUOTE] What kind of dummy does a person have to be to work through a major that they don't like... and has no real monetary worth. Honestly, we're talking about adults here. They shouldn't need someone to hold their hand and tell them what major to take.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49116100]really REALLY hard not to be nearly impossible[/QUOTE] Its hilarious because when it came to anything computerized and technical about things like video, sound or image production, every single one of the engineers would come running to us Comm majors for help. And then continue sneering.

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I think education should be unbundled; you should only pay for the things that you use. If I don't join a sports team i shouldn't have to pay for "club and athletics cost" as part of my tuition. I also shouldn't have to pay "other" for tuition either, if its going to a gym that I never use. Charge students gym memberships if they want the gym. If all I do is go to class, go to the library, and go to my dorm, I should pay for Tuition, library, and dorms. Also, fuck the publishing industry. 200 for a book that's exactly the same as last years? Fuck that shit, that should be illegal. Finally, get rid of humanities pre-requisites. When college is less expensive, you can bring them back but since we've all essentially accepted that college is a diploma-factory to get a good job, we shouldn't have to take classes unrelated to the jobs we want. When college is less expensive we can afford the luxury of communications or philosophy classes as STEM majors but until them stop wasting our goddamned money just so teachers can continue to peddle Sigmund Freud in an academic context [editline]15th November 2015[/editline] Also fuck college.

Haven't read anything on SH for a while. There was a student walk out and I didn't even know it. One of the monks on my campus talked about when he was in college in the early 70's, and how at a specific time, all the students abruptly walked out of class to protest the draft and expanding the Vietnam war into Cambodia. The plan was spread entirely by word of mouth. Something similar finally happens and I never knew until days later. I hate being busy in college.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49118742]What kind of dummy does a person have to be to work through a major that they don't like... and has no real monetary worth. Honestly, we're talking about adults here. They shouldn't need someone to hold their hand and tell them what major to take.[/QUOTE] It's pretty common for people to choose majors they have little to no interest in because of the pressure of going to college or uni immediately after HS regardless of whether they actually want to or not Consider yourself lucky if you knew what you wanted to do, or weren't pressured into going by your parents.

[QUOTE=Keelwar;49108607]one problem I possibly see, and maybe this isn't a factor or someone can prove me wrong, professors are paid pretty well, right? i've heard, at least, that chemical engineering professors can be paid upwards of six figures. where would this money come from if tuition is lowered? believe me though, i've seen (what looks like) gross misuse of tuition. my school in particular builds all sorts of shit no one uses (a sauna?), it almost looks like an excuse to spend our tuition on stuff.[/QUOTE] A lot of funding for faculty members in terms of STEM fields, legal, and others, actually comes from research projects rather than direct student contributions. On top of that, remember that in most nations, universities are public and are partially funded by taxes.

[QUOTE=blerb;49119207]It's pretty common for people to choose majors they have little to no interest in because of the pressure of going to college or uni immediately after HS regardless of whether they actually want to or not Consider yourself lucky if you knew what you wanted to do, or weren't pressured into going by your parents.[/QUOTE] That's why changing majors is a thing. Even with that said, if you don't have any idea what you want to do, then why would you pick something that also doesn't have good monetary compensation?

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49116100]really REALLY hard not to be nearly impossible[/QUOTE] Yeah and then you see "engineers" submit court documents and claim that they're well studied, it's simple. And you want to shoot the majority of them, because they're doing a stellar job at undermining their own position even you're trying to get them to lay off. Honestly I'd put engineering students on the same level as philosophy students on pretentiousness. The philo students can at least usually argue their position.

[QUOTE=Keelwar;49108607]one problem I possibly see, and maybe this isn't a factor or someone can prove me wrong, professors are paid pretty well, right? i've heard, at least, that chemical engineering professors can be paid upwards of six figures. where would this money come from if tuition is lowered? believe me though, i've seen (what looks like) gross misuse of tuition. my school in particular builds all sorts of shit no one uses (a sauna?), it almost looks like an excuse to spend our tuition on stuff.[/QUOTE] idk if my professors are paid 6 figures, but chemical engineering profs usually are either working on research there, which is another job, or work in industry near by so the amount of money they pull down from teaching might not be the whole picture, i have at least 3 professors that work outside of my college [editline]15th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=old_hag12;49116382]Engineering is hyped to be hard and difficult. Nothing is as difficult as the world makes it seem. [B]No one is too 'dumb' for engineering.[/B] I know some dumbass fucking kids going for PHDs. We are all the same. If you pretentious to others you are adding to this problem.[/QUOTE] eh idk about that, engineering tech sure, you only need algibra for that, but any engineering requires at least 4 levels of math before you get into the field's own technical math, then theres all the special curriculum associated with each field that is very high level, there's just too many weed out classes in engineering for someone who can't do it to not be able to do it engineering students are pretentious because of the massive workload compared to other majors, and there's little room for fucking up in engineering because of the pace

[quote]demanded free tuition, student debt forgiveness, and a minimum wage of $15 per hour[/quote] Yeah, and.. footrubs! And I want a beautiful woman to spoon-feed me my favorite flavor of ice cream when I get home from work! Where is all this magic money supposed to come from, and what gives these people the idea that they deserve any of this? [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=old_hag12;49116382]Engineering is hyped to be hard and difficult. Nothing is as difficult as the world makes it seem. No one is too 'dumb' for engineering. I know some dumbass fucking kids going for PHDs. We are all the same. If you pretentious to others you are adding to this problem.[/QUOTE] There are stupid people in every field but it's virtually undeniable that some degrees are harder than others. I'm not defending pretentious engineers but engineering degrees are more difficult and more productive than a lot of other degrees, which is why when a bunch of kids taking out their maximum loans and enjoying a 4-year vacation with a psych degree as a cherry on top start complaining about how unfair the world is and how it's impossible to be successful, some people roll their eyes.

[QUOTE=Sableye;49124720]idk if my professors are paid 6 figures, but chemical engineering profs usually are either working on research there, which is another job, or work in industry near by so the amount of money they pull down from teaching might not be the whole picture, i have at least 3 professors that work outside of my college [editline]15th November 2015[/editline] eh idk about that, engineering tech sure, you only need algibra for that, but any engineering requires at least 4 levels of math before you get into the field's own technical math, then theres all the special curriculum associated with each field that is very high level, there's just too many weed out classes in engineering for someone who can't do it to not be able to do it engineering students are pretentious because of the massive workload compared to other majors, and there's little room for fucking up in engineering because of the pace[/QUOTE] On the last part, its really not about being outright too dumb or too lazy for the work. Its not about how hard you get hit, its how hard you can get hit by a calc iv midterm and keep on going, studying, and improving that matters. Engineering is a fuckload of work, but I chose this. I could have dropped into an easier major, sure, but I chose this and that doesn't mean I get to act superior. I don't think the superiority is that common, but it happens hard when it does happen. Even amongst the engineering disciplines there are still attempts at superiority relative to other engineers. CE's get shat on a lot, HCDE is seen as engineering washouts (bitch pls, those guys are awesome at technical reports and writing instruction manuals that is VITAL), EE is seen as weird and mad scientists with remarkably little diversity, and AA is seen as overspecializing and pointless. Except the rocket science types make sure to make that they are rocket scientists very clear. I did have someone attack me on reddit by immediately calling what I said "COMPLETE BULLSHIT. And I would know, as an electrical engineer who [I]actually programs FPGA's[/I]". All on a minor comment involving me simplifying a concept for someone who is a musician and has no background in this field. Hah. dick. [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] Im probably just in denial that I've fucked myself out of engineering already tbh, gotta keep believing that i can still save my gpa lol

[QUOTE=sgman91;49124324]That's why changing majors is a thing. Even with that said, if you don't have any idea what you want to do, then why would you pick something that also doesn't have good monetary compensation?[/QUOTE] If you don't know what you want to do changing majors won't really help much. Regardless, you were pretty much right the first time, it's dumb to invest in a major with no job potential and no interest in the field itself. I was just stating that a lot of people are pressured into fields they do not like, though they're usually more lucrative fields than others. 'I want my child to study medicine/law/engineering', etc.

[QUOTE=srobins;49124989]Yeah, and.. footrubs! And I want a beautiful woman to spoon-feed me my favorite flavor of ice cream when I get home from work! Where is all this magic money supposed to come from, and what gives these people the idea that they deserve any of this?[/QUOTE] Do you consider education a luxury? Because that's what your random comparisons seem to indicate. As to why people deserve (specifically) free education? Because we're a first world country and everyone should have a right to an education? I mean, education is already provided up to college, why should advancement stop there? I can't answer where the money would come from, but somehow other well off countries manage to do it. So clearly it isn't some idealistic unobtainable goal. The same goes for free health care.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49126296]Do you consider education a luxury? Because that's what your random comparisons seem to indicate. As to why people deserve (specifically) free education? Because we're a first world country and everyone should have a right to an education? I mean, education is already provided up to college, why should advancement stop there? I can't answer where the money would come from, but somehow other well off countries manage to do it. So clearly it isn't some idealistic unobtainable goal. The same goes for free health care.[/QUOTE] Free post-secondary education would be wonderful, I'm not disputing that. But walking out of classes and demanding free tuition is a non-solution. Without a source of revenue, there's no point in demanding anything, and demanding that student loans be forgiven will only compound the issue by further depriving the system of funds that were loaned with the agreement of repayment. The forgiveness of student debt seems the most alien demand to me honestly. You agreed to pay back that loan, you took that money and you were happy to use it, and now you're outraged, marching in the streets and demanding that your loan be forgiven and any consequences for your poor financial decisions be erased?