Russian President Putin says Trump confirmed willing to mend ties - Polidicks

How much of that is american intervention and how much of that is due to civil war though?

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51404222][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwig-m-IQAAzVGM.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/26/261EB94000000578-2970735-Ruins_A_heavily_damaged_hotel_stands_in_ruins_near_to_the_Donets-a-6_1424976659587.jpg[/IMG] Russia ain't any better buddy.[/QUOTE] So where do you guys keep thinking I support russia's imperialisms just because I'm against the US imperialism? You do know you can be against both. All I see is a bunch of hypocrites comfortably sitting in their safe suburban areas never having to deal with the brutality and horrors the US unleashed on the middle east.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404237]So where do you guys keep thinking I support russia's imperialisms just because I'm against the US imperialism? You do know you can be against both. All I see is a bunch of hypocrites comfortably sitting in their safe suburban areas never having to deal with the brutality and horrors the US unleashed on the middle east.[/QUOTE] Im just saying chill the fuck out. Yes we know US has done terrible shit, and Russia has done terrible shit. But them becoming "Buddies" isn't going to cause all of this shit to vanish.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51404240]Im just saying chill the fuck out. Yes we know US has done terrible shit, and Russia has done terrible shit. But them becoming "Buddies" isn't going to cause all of this shit to vanish.[/QUOTE] No, but it will defineitly be better. What is your suggested alternative? Stay in some point power struggle with another powerful landmass with other humams seperated by imaginary lines on a map? [B]OR[/B] the world can move the fuck on and try to come together just a bit. If you think two of the most powerful countries in the world continuing a pointless shitstorm is a goodthing then you have are completely out of touch of how the world SHOULD be. Not how you think it HAS to be

[QUOTE=bitches;51404036]you complain about evils and turn a blind eye to russian annihilation of neighboring countries and the people therein[/QUOTE] Basically the exact same thing we do, what's your point? The double standard is allowed to fall when it's us? Or do you lack the cognitive dissonance to tell those issues apart.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404261]No, but it will defineitly be better. What is your suggested alternative? Stay in some point power struggle with another powerful landmass with other humams seperated by imaginary lines on a map? [B]OR[/B] the world can move the fuck on and try to come together just a bit. If you think two of the most powerful countries in the world continuing a pointless shitstorm is a goodthing then you have are completely out of touch of how the world SHOULD be. Not how you think it HAS to be[/QUOTE] I rather be on Europe's side on this whole ordeal. In fact, i rather be on anyone else's side instead of Russia's. Because Russia continues to be it's good old "Corrputed as fuck" self and Putin rules it for life probably, i dont want any of it in the US. Joining land grabbing cocky Eu4 player Russia is Nope.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404218]:snip:[/QUOTE] You know leaders like Gaddafi tend to dump a lot of money into making their capital look nice to appeal to foreign dignitaries and/or tourists right? That doesn't really mean the whole of Libya was doing really well before their civil war started.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51404225]How much of that is american intervention and how much of that is due to civil war though?[/QUOTE] Civil war that the US encouraged and help create? [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51404273]I rather be on Europe's side on this whole ordeal. In fact, i rather be on anyone else's side instead of Russia's. Because Russia continues to be it's good old "Corrputed as fuck" self and Putin rules it for life probably, i dont want any of it in the US. Joining land grabbing cocky Eu4 player Russia is Nope.[/QUOTE] Because the united states government is a great example of corruption free and innocent. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Anderan;51404303]You know leaders like Gaddafi tend to dump a lot of money into making their capital look nice to appeal to foreign dignitaries and/or tourists right? That doesn't really mean the whole of Libya was doing really well before their civil war started.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm well aware I actually been there before, during and after. It was much much much better before the war.

[QUOTE=hijacker;51404266]Basically the exact same thing we do, what's your point? The double standard is allowed to fall when it's us? Or do you lack the cognitive dissonance to tell those issues apart.[/QUOTE] Cognitive dissonance has become a very big problem in our general public. It stops people from getting over their petty bias and stops people from allowing peace. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51404324]Can you persuade me that the middle east isn't a hotspot for war?[/QUOTE] Have I ever said other wise? I argued that the middle east would have mostly be better off without the US bombing the shit outta of us. Hell Bush and Dick Cheney has been lobbying for a war for Iraw BEFORE 9/11 and possibly before bush was even elected. Dont try to act like the US actually drone strike people to "protect freedom" or do "liberate" us. Get real. Nobody in the middle east falls for that stupid shit.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404305] Oh I'm well aware I actually been there before, during and after. It was much much much better before the war.[/QUOTE] No shit, wars tend to make things go down the shitter. Now was the majority of the population actually doing as well as it looked in the capital. The country being better before a war happened doesn't really make a single image of the capital city valid proof that a country as a whole is doing well.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51404270]If only diplomatic relations were that easy[/QUOTE] Alot easier than the failed and pathetic attempt we called foregin policy the past couple of decades. Isn't it just strange how it always seems like the every middle eastern country we meddle into ends up becoming a bunch of rubble with mass deaths, everything in general being 10x worse than before? Its funny how it seems that the only people that ever benefit from the united states "help" is [B]U.S interests[/B]? Wooaaah!! Hey remember after the iraq war when we left the country a shithole instead of investing into infrastructure like we promised to do? Then a bunch of terror groups took over in a power struggle and now its even worse now? Hahaha I member. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Anderan;51404375]No shit, wars tend to make things go down the shitter. Now was the majority of the population actually doing as well as it looked in the capital. The country being better before a war happened doesn't really make a single image of the capital city valid proof that a country as a whole is doing well.[/QUOTE] I don't know how you can look at the state libya is now and say "oh yeah this is better" to a guy who literally watched it fall apart himself. So much arrogance.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404376]I don't know how you can look at the state libya is now and say "oh yeah this is better" to a guy who literally watched it fall apart himself. So much arrogance.[/QUOTE] Except I never said that? Quote me where I said that. I said a single image of the capital isn't proof that the people as a whole were living the lifestyle that the people in the capital were. The irony of you calling me arrogant is so palpable it's almost punching me through the screen. I feel like you're far to invested in this personally to not turn every argument into a strawman.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404218][IMG]https://newswire.net/public/article/dd/1f/02/tripoli.jpg?c=daca[/IMG] Oh god look at the picture in the left. Oh the horror! [IMG]http://i0.wp.com/redpilltimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20160117_syrie_1_0.jpg?resize=600%2C361[/IMG] Oh gee those uncivilized barbians thank god for the US intrevention [IMG]https://theredphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/308194_511298648897908_1441917171_n.jpg[/IMG] Thank goodness those skyscrapers were a eyesore. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] Yes they have, there was even a facepunch thread of it here in SH. Give me a min to dig it ul.[/QUOTE] Lol dude are you actually delusional. The United States didn't cause the revolutions in either Libya or Syria, that was just a result of the Arab Spring movement that took a hold of the entire Middle-East at the time. There was going to be a bloody civil war in Libya, regardless of what the international community did. There was no result of the revolution that wasn't going to be a violent shit show. And, ultimately, if you compare Libya, where the U.S. took direct action, versus Syria, where they did not, it's undeniable that Libya turned out better. It's not to say Libya is in a good position today, but it's certainly a lot better than the walking humanitarian crisis that is modern Syria.

Cue baltics freaking out, for a reason. Russia isn't making any less of a mess in middle east than USA is.

The United States is a nation in North America. I think we should stop doing anything militarily outside of our border unless it can be proven to be an actual threat to our safety and sovereignty. If that means Russia rampages all over the Middle East and Europe then so be it. Why should I care? I live in the middle of North America. Explain to me why I should waste my nation's blood and treasure to pull off military theatrics in some faraway land when it has no benefit to my safety and security.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51404515]The United States is a nation in North America. I think we should stop doing anything militarily outside of our border unless it can be proven to be an actual threat to our safety and sovereignty. If that means Russia rampages all over the Middle East and Europe then so be it. Why should I care? I live in the middle of North America. Explain to me why I should waste my nation's blood and treasure to pull off military theatrics in some faraway land when it has no benefit to my safety and security.[/QUOTE] Because we're an interconnected world. At the very least, if you're content with being wholly selfish, one country "rampaging" across a continent and annexing countries left and right is probably indicative of a [b]huge fucking problem[/b] headed your way. Also, you know, being isolationist doesn't really make anyone want to help you when you need it. MURICA REIGNS though, right?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51404515]The United States is a nation in North America. I think we should stop doing anything militarily outside of our border unless it can be proven to be an actual threat to our safety and sovereignty. If that means Russia rampages all over the Middle East and Europe then so be it. Why should I care? I live in the middle of North America. Explain to me why I should waste my nation's blood and treasure to pull off military theatrics in some faraway land when it has no benefit to my safety and security.[/QUOTE] Because that won't protect the petrodollar. The US has the biggest military prescene and hundreds of bases ALL of the world. No other country has it anywhere near like we do. If oil begans getting sold in anything other than the US dollar. The US economy will collapse completely. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51404179] You haven't even asked why people may not agree with this friendship.[/QUOTE] This what I've been waiting for. I already said it will be bad when Russia comes after eastern europe. But people instead juat insist in making insane posts acting as if the US has done nothing wrong and that the fucking middle east is somehow better now thanks to america. Give me a fucking break, come back when you watch you next door neighbor gets his legs blown apart infront of you then tell me how good things are.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404548]If oil begans getting sold in anything other than the US dollar. The US economy will collapse completely.[/QUOTE] Too bad oil has been sold in other currencies since 2014, as far as I can find the Chinese Yuan and Indian Rupees are valid in some areas. [QUOTE=Jouska;51404548]But people instead juat insist in making insane posts acting as if the US has done nothing wrong and that the fucking middle east is somehow better now thanks to america.[/quote] Nobody is saying this at all though? [quote] Give me a fucking break, come back when you watch you next door neighbor gets his legs blown apart infront of you then tell me how good things are.[/QUOTE] Has absolutely no relevance to the conversation at hand, but nice appeal to emotion.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51404566]Too bad oil has been sold in other currencies since 2014, as far as I can find the Chinese Yuan and Indian Rupees are valid in some areas.[/QUOTE] You have abosolutely no idea what you are talking about and coming off pretty embarassing. Oh yeah iran sold india small amounts of oil must means that the united states can afford it if the world stops selling oil in USD. No. If most countries decided to stop dealing in USD for oil then the dollar will collapse. This is a fact. You dont even need to be a economist to understand this lmao.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404587]You have abosolutely no idea what you are talking about and coming off pretty embarassing. Oh yeah iran sold india small amounts of oil must means that the united states can afford it if the world stops selling oil in USD. No. If most countries decided to stop dealing in USD for oil then the dollar will collapse. This is a fact. You dont even need to be a economist to understand this lmao.[/QUOTE] You seem pretty fond of stating things are a fact with no actual facts to back yourself up and then act like everyone else is an idiot when they disagree with you.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51404596]You seem pretty fond of stating things are a fact with no actual facts to back yourself up and then act like everyone else is an idiot when they disagree with you.[/QUOTE] No actual facts? Dude the US petrodollar depends on countries selling oil in US dollars. How is this not a fact? It's like you are putting fingers in your ears and ignoring basic economics. You are not arguing you are just trolling and derailing at this point.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51404613]How is this not a fact? It's like you are putting fingers in your ears and ignoring basic economics. You are not arguing you are just trolling and derailing at this point.[/QUOTE] How is it a fact? Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. I don't think the US is on the literal bring of collapse, and I fail to understand why other people do believe that.

The only places I can find saying the US economy is going to collapse are conspiracy sites or people trying to sell investment books. Plenty of people talking about the possible end of the dominance of the USD but very few even suggest the US economy is going to literally fall apart because of it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51404620]How is it a fact? Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. I don't think the US is on the literal bring of collapse, and I fail to understand why other people do believe that.[/QUOTE] The US dollar isn't the global reserve currency because oil is sold for dollars, rather oil is sold for dollars because they're the global reserve currency. The US dollar underlies the largest economy in the world. For anything else to take its place, first off, it'd have to be the basis of an economy of similar size. The only two economies anywhere close are China and the Euro-zone. China has pretty heavily meddled with their currency and exchange rates, to the point where investors do t trust it anywhere near enough to make it the reserve currency. China is just too opaque economically. The Euro has been through hell over the past 7 years with the banking crisis/recession, and euro countries like Greece being in horrible fiscal shape, and general poor growth throughout Europe. Add in more uncertainty in the region with things like Brexit, and the Euro is just way to uncertain for investors to consider it a reserve currency anytime soon. The US dollar is fairly stable and US debt is trustworthy and has a huge economy to back it up. It's like to remain the reserve currency for a long time, barring some cataclysmic economic changes. The dollars reserve status is what props our whole economy up. If it weren't we could not do things like quantitative easing without feeling extreme inflationary pressures. I'd argue that while the dollar did not become the reserve currency because of its link to oil, that link is today one of the biggest reasons for it to remain the reserve currency. I can't think of any reason we even need a global reserve currency today since information and communications technologies are so advanced. Other countries currencies are far stronger than they were when the USD became the reserve currency. Also it does at least seem to be a trend that when countries attempt to bypass the petrodollar relations go south quickly. I don't think I can explain it any more simplier than that. I honestly cant. If you still need to be spoonfed how basic economics work please go take some classes.

What's the solution to this? Strengthening relations with Russia is a bad thing? Does everyone arguing with Jouska WANT to go to war with them, or keep things the way they are? No, seriously. I'm so confused. What's a better idea?

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51404661]What's the solution to this? Strengthening relations with Russia is a bad thing? Does everyone arguing with Jouska WANT to go to war with them, or keep things the way they are? No, seriously. I'm so confused. What's a better idea?[/QUOTE] People want better relations with Russia, just not at the cost of letting Russia do whatever they want or retreating into isolation.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51404666]People want better relations with Russia, just not at the cost of letting Russia do whatever they want or retreating into isolation.[/QUOTE] Lmao which I never said we should do either. This entire thread been mostly throwing shit into my mouth and arguing about it because I deemed this as a good first step to ending the bitter cold war thats been holding back the rest of the world.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51404666]People want better relations with Russia, just not at the cost of letting Russia do whatever they want or retreating into isolation.[/QUOTE]Then Trump better get smart and not dismantle NATO, considering that's one thing keeping Russia from having a field day. Though I imagine most of the US government disagrees with dismantling it, which could impede his intentions.

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51404661]What's the solution to this? Strengthening relations with Russia is a bad thing? Does everyone arguing with Jouska WANT to go to war with them, or keep things the way they are? No, seriously. I'm so confused. What's a better idea?[/QUOTE] Apperently people just want the exact same thing going on. Same wars, no actual progress. But dont you dare try to promote peace, you might be brainwashed by KGB news websites!!

[QUOTE=Talishmar;51404461]Cue baltics freaking out, for a reason. Russia isn't making any less of a mess in middle east than USA is.[/QUOTE] If Baltics think they will end up like Ukraine they are retarded.