• Ron Paul says he'll push through to convention no matter what
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[QUOTE=Hidole555;35706674]They look at him, frown, then they look over at Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich. They look back and say "We'll take him!"[/QUOTE] Then they realize they didn't even look at Obama
[QUOTE=Keegs;35706697]Then they realize they didn't even look at Obama[/QUOTE] They're Republicans. To them Obama would be Medusa. [B]"Chop off its head and put it in a bag!"[/B]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35706690]It is sad, most people who support him do not actually know that much about what he stands for.[/QUOTE] I own and have read all of his books. So at least I am not part of that "most people".
[QUOTE=Hidole555;35706706]They're Republicans. To them Obama would be Medusa. [B]"Chop off its head and put it in a bag!"[/B][/QUOTE] Most of the people I hear talking about Ron Paul are younger people who would usually vote Democrat.
[QUOTE=Keegs;35706713]Most of the people I hear talking about Ron Paul are younger people who would usually vote Democrat.[/QUOTE] I think there was an article written last year that said Ron Paul was the most popular Republican among Democrats. I'll try to find it.
I think Paul is the only one that'd make Obama look like an asshole in a debate. (on some things. not shitting on obama)
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35706728]I think there was an article written last year that said Ron Paul was the most popular Republican among Democrats. I'll try to find it.[/QUOTE] Well that's because he isn't a budding fascist
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35706690]It is sad, most people who support him do not actually know that much about what he stands for.[/QUOTE] Personal opinions on life are different from political opinions. I could care less if he doesn't believe in revolution. It's ignorant when people associate that to politics.
[QUOTE=Keegs;35706713]Most of the people I hear talking about Ron Paul are younger people who would usually vote Democrat.[/QUOTE] Considering his policies there are many dangerous what-ifs. Axing the Department of Education, for example. This would mean an end to Pell Grants as they're the ones who sponsor them. My public school is already managed (and somewhat funded) by our town, so his idea the Department of Education is directly hampering schools is, from my perspective, misled. I'm not sure of the situation in other states, but for CT I can safely say the State and Locals have quite good control over its schools. Despite that, still better than Romney... Getting rid of John Huntsman [B]what the FUCK were you thinking Republicans?[/B]
[QUOTE=J!NX;35706666]"Against Abortion (hypocritical bullshit)" yeah except he's for the state AKA he won't even touch that[/QUOTE] He's voted in DOMA and the like, so I doubt his validity.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35706666]"Against Abortion (hypocritical bullshit)" yeah except he's for the state AKA he won't even touch that[/QUOTE] It would be worse to let the states handle abortion because im sure 80-90% would make it harder to get or ban it entirely.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35706708]I own and have read all of his books. So at least I am not part of that "most people".[/QUOTE] So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The First 11'er;35706960]Personal opinions on life are different from political opinions. I could care less if he doesn't believe in revolution. It's ignorant when people associate that to politics.[/QUOTE] At some point you have to factor it in.
[QUOTE=Keegs;35706633]The only honorable thing about Ron Paul is hated by the other Republicans. His policies are absolute shit. He was against integration because it "infringed on personal liberty" for fucks sake. As well as going against the Civil Rights act of 1964. Against Abortion (hypocritical bullshit) Eliminating Government agencies like Department of Agriculture and Education [B]Eliminating the Income Tax (WHAT)[/B] More power to States, including civil rights etc. It honestly hurts my head that people can overlook all these things and say he's a great candidate and completely deny that there's anything wrong with him.[/QUOTE] The income tax is, technically, unconstitutional (it's an unapportioned direct tax). He wants to replace it, not get rid of taxes entirely. A 15% federal sales tax on everything would be a good way to go, if you eliminate the federal income tax.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;35707008]It would be worse to let the states handle abortion because im sure 80-90% would make it harder to get or ban it entirely.[/QUOTE]Something he is fully aware of. That aside, the states can already do these things largely, look at the mess the idiots in Arizona are making, so its just dangerously redundant. [editline]24th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=That Poster;35707037]The income tax is, technically, unconstitutional (it's an unapportioned direct tax). He wants to replace it, not get rid of taxes entirely. A 15% federal sales tax on everything would be a good way to go, if you eliminate the federal income tax.[/QUOTE]Sales tax are worse than Income tax and hurt lower incomes far worse than higher incomes.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35707013]So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it. [/QUOTE] They don't sound bad to me.
[QUOTE=Keegs;35706713]Most of the people I hear talking about Ron Paul are younger people who would usually vote Democrat.[/QUOTE] I have never voted Democrat and I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am conservative and usually vote Libertarian.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35707013]So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it. [/QUOTE] Don't be like that. I get it, you don't like Ron Paul, fine, but you don't have to go around being outright disrespectful to anyone who supports him.
Well he does have allot of admirable qualities, but his stances on most stuff is crazy. But a very different and less hateful crazy than the typical GOP politician. At the end of the day he is trucking along, causing both hate and happiness every time he is brought up. I guess his manner is allot more pleasant than say, Santorum or Santorum or Romney.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35707056]They don't sound bad to me.[/QUOTE] Do as I do. Explain your viewpoints on his more controversial policies and delve into the specifics. Give us something to go back and forth about.
Someone tell me his healthcare plan (or lack thereof) Scorpius preferably it sounds like he understands the mind of Paul [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35707013]So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it. [/QUOTE] If you're going to attack him like that then go in depth.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35707069]Don't be like that. I get it, you don't like Ron Paul, fine, but you don't have to go around being outright disrespectful to anyone who supports him.[/QUOTE] He's Governor Goblin, of course he has to be disrespectful to anyone who doesn't follow his beliefs.
[QUOTE=That Poster;35707037]The income tax is, technically, unconstitutional (it's an unapportioned direct tax). He wants to replace it, not get rid of taxes entirely. A 15% federal sales tax on everything would be a good way to go, if you eliminate the federal income tax.[/QUOTE] So an objectively regressive tax and no progressive income tax, at a rate of only 15%? The government wouldn't be able to function beyond issuing packets of saltines to soldiers for god's sake, that's a horrid idea.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;35707125]He's Governor Goblin, of course he has to be disrespectful to anyone who doesn't follow his beliefs.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I'm just being an idealist. I'm under the impression that, perhaps if we stopped viciously insulting each-other, then maybe we could have some nice conversations about our differences in opinions.
nice conversations are for friends over wine, not for people on the internet you don't know
[QUOTE=Hidole555;35707085]Do as I do. Explain your viewpoints on his more controversial policies and delve into the specifics. Give us something to go back and forth about.[/QUOTE] Okay, then: [U]Education[/U] He wishes to get rid of the Department of Education because, besides the usual unconstitutionality arguments, it achieves nothing. And I agree. We have poured billions into the federal education system for decades and it has gotten us no where in education levels. The US is constantly falling behind in education and the government's response is to pass stupid laws like No Child Left Behind. There's a phrase in my geography class used to describe Russia's influence over it's eastern end - "Distance decay". It means, the further something gets from the core, the less influence the core has. And that's what I feel I see in the federal government with education. The distance between the school down my street to the high offices in the Depart. of Ed. is too great. [U]Foreign Policy[/U] I'm sure we'll all agree on this one - noninterventionism. America should stay out of the internal affairs of every single nation on this planet. Not only do we get many American lives slaughtered, but the civilians of the regions we occupy. Our constant interference in the affairs of other nations is what made 9/11 happen. Bin Laden said it himself in his speech about the attacks. Yet instead of doing the logical thing and withdraw, we invade more places, displace more populations and kill more Americans and foreigners alike. What does that doe? Nothing but fuel the next terrorist attack. Just as such, we should cut off foreign aid. The government hasn't a right to take money from you that you justly earned and throw it away to some dictator overseas. That money is yours, the least the government can do is spend it on helping you in some way. [U]Pro-Life[/U] He's against abortion, I know that much. But honestly, I have yet to read any of the chapters in any of his books on the subject because he always repeats a graphic personal story of his regarding the topic that I just can't stomach myself to go through. But I should remind you that he is 100% pro-life, which means he opposes capital punishment. He morally opposes it on all levels of government, but holding true to his belief in the Constitution, he allows for state held executions. As for the federal government, he is strongly opposed to it. I can list other topics, but later, as I have to head to bed. [editline]24th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafan;35707166]So an objectively regressive tax and no progressive income tax, at a rate of only 15%? The government wouldn't be able to function beyond issuing packets of saltines to soldiers for god's sake, that's a horrid idea.[/QUOTE] Sales tax isn't the only thing he plans to use to replace income tax. He aims to reform tariffs and import taxes as well. I forget how, exactly. But a big claim of his against income tax is that the federal government should not be wildly spending so much money that they need the income tax to begin with. Everyone freaks out that the government will have no money if he gets rid of income tax, but you have to remember that he also plans on cutting a HUGE amount of government spending as well.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35707202] I can list other topics, but later, as I have to head to bed.[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't get how this section gets so active around Midnight - 2AM.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35707177]I'm sorry, I'm just being an idealist. I'm under the impression that, perhaps if we stopped viciously insulting each-other, then maybe we could have some nice conversations about our differences in opinions. As of late, I haven't been very effective.[/QUOTE] You can be nice as possible and some people are just going to be assholes. Internet anonymity assures that.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35707177]I'm sorry, I'm just being an idealist. I'm under the impression that, perhaps if we stopped viciously insulting each-other, then maybe we could have some nice conversations about our differences in opinions. As of late, I haven't been very effective.[/QUOTE] Garry uses the statement, "Become further entrenched in your own views by defending them against people entrenched in their own" to describe the Mass Debate section, but to be honest - it's a description for the entire internet.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35707196]nice conversations are for friends over wine, not for people on the internet you don't know[/QUOTE] Sadly, you're completely correct about that. [editline]25th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hidole555;35707238]Yeah I don't get how this section gets so active around Midnight - 2AM.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the reminder. Didn't realize what time it was. Later everyone.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35707196]nice conversations are for friends over wine, not for people on the internet you don't know[/QUOTE] then the solution is simple. [IMG]http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/puma/puma0703/puma070300026/793208-glass-of-wine-with-your-internet-friend.jpg[/IMG] Internet wine, anyone?
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