Libyan Almahde Atagore receives maximum sentence for string of Melbourne sex assaults
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[QUOTE=Contag;30242330]It's not rape if you're married.
Under that system.
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I said Christianity, not an illogical mix of animism and Christianity, with a (un)healthy dose of miscellaneous supernatural belief.[/QUOTE]
aren't you supposed to learn the laws of a country before you can become a citzen there
[QUOTE=markfu;30242362]I wouldn't really call Westboro an analogue since they hate everyone while the radical Muslims just hate the West. I would consider radical republicans more of an analogue since they preach similar ideas of intolerance, just based against each other. Both sides also are hard to defend if you just judged by news reports. I'm sure there are a ton of moderate republicans like how most Muslims don't condone these acts, you just here about moderate people in the news because, who wants to hear about what the majority does?
Yeah, what news network would want to report "Muslims preach intolerance[/QUOTE]
I'm talking more about the citizens in autocratic and theocratic states, however the Arab Spring has been incredibly significant in regards to that.
I don't think his culture actively persuaded him to assault those women, rather, he was probably just some genuinely mentally ill person who happened to have been Muslim, and desperate to find an excuse for his horrible deeds, claimed that it was due to his cultural upbringing. I'm sure there are plenty of religious Muslims who are appalled by this man's acts.
[QUOTE=thispieiscold;30242394]aren't you supposed to learn the laws of a country before you can become a citzen there[/QUOTE]
It only become illegal to rape your wife in the late 50s, early 60s in most states, and even now, in the sentencing guidelines marriage is a mitigating factor.
He was a student on a student visa IIRC.
[QUOTE=ashton93;30242099]Probably getting lots of bad response on this, but I've been losing my respect for muslims the last years.
But as with all things, there are exceptions ofcourse[/QUOTE]
There are assholes muslims just like there are assholes everywhere else. This has nothing to do with him being muslim.
Rape is a big sin in Islam anyway.
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;30242407]I don't think his culture actively persuaded him to assault those women, rather, he was probably just some genuinely mentally ill person who happened to have been Muslim, and desperate to find an excuse for his horrible deeds, claimed that it was due to his cultural upbringing. I'm sure there are plenty of religious Muslims who are appalled by this man's acts.[/QUOTE]
Because fundamental Islam, like the fundamentalist strains of other abrahamic religions treat women so well?
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[QUOTE=Zeldy;30242448]There are assholes muslims just like there are assholes everywhere else. This has nothing to do with him being muslim.
Rape is a big sin in Islam anyway.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Sisters in Islam shares the concern expressed by the Deputy Prime Minister that the absence of a definition on rape in syariah law has led to victims of rape being charged for zina (illicit sex).
Throughout the history of Islam, differing human interpretations and understanding of the word of God had always existed. We as a society must debate and discuss in a rational and informed manner which interpretation will serve the best interest of our multi-ethnic, multi-religious, industrialising and modernising society.
In Pakistan, it is reported that three out of four women in prison under its Hudud laws, are rape victims. Because rape is equated with zina under Hudud law, rape victims are required to produce four pious male witnesses. It is of course nearly impossible for the rape victims to produce the four male witnesses required to prove their allegation. Therefore their police report of rape was taken as a confession of illicit sex on their part and they were duly found guilty.
In the real world, rape is unlikely to occur in the open, such that four pious males can observe the act of penetration. If they actually did witness such an act, and have not sought to prevent it, then technically they are abettors to the crime. In reality, unless the rapist confesses to the crime, women can never prove rape at all if rape is placed under syariah jurisdiction.
It is because of such gross injustice and abuse of the law that Sisters in Islam objected to several provisions which discriminated against women in the Hudud Enactment of Kelantan in 1993. The enforcement of such laws leaves rape victims who are unable to provide four male eye witnesses liable to prosecution for illicit sex.[/quote]
if it was in a country with more muslims, the rape victims would be punished for dressing like that.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30242134]why? because you're a bigot?[/QUOTE]
Don't like a race/people that constantly show the worst of their people and not the best?
fucking bigot
[QUOTE=Contag;30242456]Because fundamental Islam, like the fundamentalist strains of other abrahamic religions treat women so well?
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[quote]Sûrah an Nâs 4.119
'O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will...'
Sûrah an Nûr 24.33
'... And do not, in order to gain some of the fleeting pleasures of this worldly life, coerce your slave women into whoredom if they are desirous of marriage, and if anyone should coerce them, then, verily, after they have been compelled (to submit in their helplessness), God will be much forgiving, a dispenser of grace (to them).
During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)[/quote]
[QUOTE=Chickens!;30242196]Neither is raping 7 women.
7[/QUOTE]
atleast one of which was a minor
[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;30242216]The Muslims that do this shit are the exceptions.
The vast majority of Muslims are good people.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
Question: does the fact that he's muslim have any importance to this crime? Why is it in the title?
[QUOTE=Jesus Puncher;30242704]Question: does the fact that he's muslim have any importance to this crime? Why is it in the title?[/QUOTE]
For all we know, "cultural difference" can also refer to the area/lifestyle he lived in.
[QUOTE=Zeldy;30242607][/QUOTE]
Yes, the Qu'ran is chock full of contradictory statements like most religious texts, and subject to interpretation.
I much prefer the Islamic method of scholarly interpretation as opposed to the predominately hierarchical Christian method.
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[QUOTE=Jesus Puncher;30242704]Question: does the fact that he's muslim have any importance to this crime? Why is it in the title?[/QUOTE]
Because the media likes the fan the flames of ethnic-related moral panics, and nothing gets people anxious like 'they're raping our women'.
[QUOTE=Jesus Puncher;30242704]Question: does the fact that he's muslim have any importance to this crime? Why is it in the title?[/QUOTE]
because the OP is a racist cunt
[QUOTE=JDK721;30242824]because the OP is a racist cunt[/QUOTE]
He posted it from the Herald Sun, which is basically the less extreme version of Fox News.
Both wned by rupert murdch.
Sensationalist headlines like this serve only to get people fired up about some perceived notion of political correctness ruining our lives. It was the same deal in that white T shirt leading to suspension nonsense.
And pointing out the fact that the perp is a muslim in the title is childish.
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;30242958]Sensationalist headlines like this serve only to get people fired up about some perceived notion of political correctness ruining our lives.[/QUOTE]
What? I'm pretty sure it's designed to make people more phobic towards Muslims?
sexual assault isn't rape
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no where does it say he raped them
he didn't rape them
here's an article with more information: [url]http://www.whatsontianjin.com/news-737-libyan-student-almahde-ahmad-atagore-jailed-for-melbourne-sex-assaults.html[/url]
[quote]Atagore pleaded guilty to five counts of indecent assault, one of assault with intent to rape and one of committing an indecent act with a child.[/quote]
OP needs to never make a news thread again. this is the second time he's fucked up and posted a shitty and biased source.
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can a mod change the thread title to something more accurate?
[QUOTE=Contag;30242997]What? I'm pretty sure it's designed to make people more phobic towards Muslims?[/QUOTE]
That, but also the notion that the 'cultural differences' were enough to downplay the 'seriousness' of his crimes, and that he should get a lesser sentence as a result.
The title frm The Age is mre appropriate:
Libyan Almahde Ahmad Atagore jailed for string of Melbourne sex assaults
but that's all they changed, god damn associated press destryed jrunalism
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;30243242]That, but also the notion that the 'cultural differences' were enough to downplay the 'seriousness' of his crimes, and that he should get a lesser sentence as a result.[/QUOTE]
he received the maximum sentence:
[quote]Several of the victims were in court and welcomed the maximum sentence of five years and three months, with at least three years to serve before being eligible for parole. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;30243242]That, but also the notion that the 'cultural differences' were enough to downplay the 'seriousness' of his crimes, and that he should get a lesser sentence as a result.[/QUOTE]
Well, it was definitely a mitigating factr in determining how strong a sentence he shuld get.
He was nly in the cuntry for a month.
His sentence wuldn't have been much higher, even if that wasn't a factr.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;30243281]he received the maximum sentence:[/QUOTE]
There yu go, it *culdnt* have been higher.
OP, please never make a news thread again
1) you're racist
2) you posted shitty biased sources
3) he did NOT rape anyone
4) he received the maximum sentence
The judge has to go thrugh [B]all[/B] mitigating factrs in determining a sentence, even if they dn't have an impact n the sentencng itself.
op is biased as fuck
[QUOTE=Contag;30243312]The judge has to go thrugh [B]all[/B] mitigating factrs in determining a sentence, even if they dn't have an impact n the sentencng itself.[/QUOTE]
wtf is wrong with your keyboard
[QUOTE=JDK721;30243431]wtf is wrong with your keyboard[/QUOTE]
:saddowns:
What is wrng is that I paid $3 fr it, and thus many f the keys, especially O, do nt wrk unless I beat dwn upn them.
Hate to say, but if this guy was a white Christian, or something else, he would've been sentenced triple that long of a time.
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