NYC agrees to pay Occupy Wall Street $232,000 for books destroyed during raid - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sableye;40368329]its a dumb movement, I wouldn't blame the wall street guys for your student loans when you went to a 4 year college and spent over 100,000 dollars for a degree that can be gotten from a 2 year school, and that has no real use I'm the job market, also walstreet had little to do with bad government policymaking they should have been occupying d.c.[/QUOTE] actually wall street basically runs the country. nothing gets done without the financial sector approving.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40369374]...it didn't?[/QUOTE] Could you list me what it reliably accomplished? [QUOTE=Medevilae;40369377]Said no one thinking logically, ever[/QUOTE] Then what defines the failure of a government, if not the aggression of its entire nation?

[QUOTE=Negrul1;40368368]Good luck with doing anything corporations don't like in a country where so much funding for political parties comes from corporations. The only way to get any real change, especially in the US, is through protest.[/QUOTE] Or a coup Even though it might be quite difficult

[QUOTE=Stopper;40369741]Could you list me what it reliably accomplished? [/QUOTE] [url]http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/occupy-medical-offers-free-healthcare[/url] [url]http://interoccupy.net/occupysandy/[/url] [url]http://strikedebt.org/[/url] here's three very concrete things they have done. then there is also the fact that the occupy movement worked and still works to network radicals together to further organize and radicalize.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40369789][url]http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/occupy-medical-offers-free-healthcare[/url] [url]http://interoccupy.net/occupysandy/[/url] [url]http://strikedebt.org/[/url] here's three very concrete things they have done. then there is also the fact that the occupy movement worked and still works to network radicals together to further organize and radicalize.[/QUOTE] No, that's what they're trying to do. What did they [I]accomplish[/I]? What did they [I]change[/I] in the American government?

[QUOTE=matt000024;40368330]I always wondered what happen to Occupy. It feels as if it was more recent than it actually was.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry to say; but this is usually what happened: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYVZw1PRvRk[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpq-moDIkl8[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKlsxiQjl5Y[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_f06VQOkI4[/media] There's more at work than just a 'lazy movement'.

[QUOTE=Stopper;40369848]No, that's what they're trying to do. What did they [I]accomplish[/I]? What did they [I]change[/I] in the American government?[/QUOTE] those are all things they are doing how do they not count? why do they have to change the american government to be a success?

[QUOTE=Starpluck;40368557]How do you even manage to destroy $232,000 worth of books in a single raid?[/QUOTE] Well if you count all the laptops, hardrives and cameras that were smashed.... But lets not talk about that.

[QUOTE=Stopper;40368213]I wish Occupy hadn't failed so spectacularly.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it revealed that police and FBI were committing False Flag operations in order to kill off the protests?

[QUOTE=Reshy;40370021]Wasn't it revealed that police and FBI were committing False Flag operations in order to kill off the protests?[/QUOTE] Well in Vancouver they rounded up all the homeless and junkies and brought them to our camp, so we fed em and gave em tents, but then one lady OD'd and that allowed the police to come in and beat everyone and tear down all the tents including medical.

[QUOTE=Articsledder;40368274]I bet most of them were by Ayn Rand or copies of the communist manifesto :v:[/QUOTE] I cant imagine any communist putting Objectivist "literature" in and I can't imagine any objectivist putting communist pamphlets in.

[QUOTE=prooboo;40370076]I cant imagine any communist putting Objectivist "literature" in and I can't imagine any objectivist putting communist pamphlets in.[/QUOTE] I'm imagining the shittiest library in the world.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40369395]actually wall street basically runs the country. nothing gets done without the financial sector approving.[/QUOTE] Why blame the people who lobby and try to corrupt instead of those who accept the bribes and actually are part of the corruption?

It doesn't really matter how much the NYPD pays, they successfully put down the entire message and the entire movement, and no lawsuits will ever bring that back. We all got the memo: If you bitch about inequality, you will be dealt with harshly and swiftly.

[QUOTE=sgman91;40370191]Why blame the people who lobby and try to corrupt instead of those who accept the bribes and actually are part of the corruption?[/QUOTE] Do you blame the man that whips? or the man that ordered the whiping in the first place?

[QUOTE=Sirias;40370227]Do you blame the man that whips? or the man that ordered the whiping in the first place?[/QUOTE] Wall Street can't "order" the government to do anything. They can just offer bribes and paybacks. As long as government has power to effect an industry business in that industry will lobby for a part of that power.

Aaah the Occupy movement, that old chestnut. They really got stuff done didn't they. God knows we needed some people to pointlessly stand there whinging in the street. I remember the laughable attempts of "Occupy Sheffield". Especially the "We are the 99%" slogan. No lads, I think you'll find 99% of the people in this area are people staring at you wishing you'd just go away.

[QUOTE=Sableye;40368329]its a dumb movement, I wouldn't blame the wall street guys for your student loans when you went to a 4 year college and spent over 100,000 dollars for a degree that can be gotten from a 2 year school, and that has no real use I'm the job market, also walstreet had little to do with bad government policymaking they should have been occupying d.c.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, but are you really that dumb It seems like you might be

[QUOTE=Matriax;40370505]Aaah the Occupy movement, that old chestnut. They really got stuff done didn't they. God knows we needed some people to pointlessly stand there whinging in the street. I remember the laughable attempts of "Occupy Sheffield". Especially the "We are the 99%" slogan. No lads, I think you'll find 99% of the people in this area are people staring at you wishing you'd just go away.[/QUOTE] I usually hate saying this but your avatar describes you extremely well.

[QUOTE=sgman91;40370191]Why blame the people who lobby and try to corrupt instead of those who accept the bribes and actually are part of the corruption?[/QUOTE] why would you only blame the tool when there is a person wielding that tool?

[QUOTE=sgman91;40370191]Why blame the people who lobby and try to corrupt instead of those who accept the bribes and actually are part of the corruption?[/QUOTE] Because lobbying is legal?

[QUOTE=prooboo;40370076]I cant imagine any communist putting Objectivist "literature" in and I can't imagine any objectivist putting communist pamphlets in.[/QUOTE] It was more of a joke about how many people were clinging onto the Occupy Movement without really understanding it, such as the quite common Fedora wearing internet Communists who are 14.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40370592]why would you only blame the tool when there is a person wielding that tool?[/QUOTE] ... the government isn't an inanimate object. It's made of real people making real decisions. [editline]21st April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;40370787]Because lobbying is legal?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how that applies. So you are blaming those who are doing something completely legal?

Occupy wallstreet was VERY flawed from its inception. There was no real message other than "Lets change the government" so it became grounds for people who didn't even know what they were protesting. It became nothing more than a rallying point for politcal parties such as the communists, libertarians, and anarchists. Once the anarchists showed up the entire thing was usually ruined because it would always turn violent when they showed up with one of the California occupys being an example of this. There was no real leader or message and it pretty much destroyed itself because of it. Not to mention it's hard for anyone to take a movement seriously when half the people are dressed like bums as well.

Occupy was a good movement in the beginning and well organized. Sadly, once it swelled it attracted some real goofballs who ruined it and it's image forever.

[QUOTE=galenmarek;40371555]Occupy wallstreet was VERY flawed from its inception. There was no real message other than "Lets change the government" so it became grounds for people who didn't even know what they were protesting. It became nothing more than a rallying point for politcal parties such as the communists, libertarians, and anarchists. Once the anarchists showed up the entire thing was usually ruined because it would always turn violent when they showed up with one of the California occupys being an example of this. There was no real leader or message and it pretty much destroyed itself because of it. [/quote] Did you even go an listen to your local rally? The main points were pretty clear and there has already been tons of antithesis to what you just said. If nothing else I'm amazed you haven't picked up on the general theme of stopping the large influence of the banks (WALL STREET) on Politics and our lives. [quote]Not to mention it's hard for anyone to take a movement seriously when half the people are [B]dressed like bums[/B] as well.[/QUOTE] Because fuck poor people, why should they get a say?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40372019]Did you even go an listen to your local rally? The main points were pretty clear and there has already been tons of antithesis to what you just said. If nothing else I'm amazed you haven't picked up on the general theme of stopping the large influence of the banks (WALL STREET) on Politics and our lives. Because fuck poor people, why should they get a say?[/QUOTE] Occupy LA was pretty bad with tons of people simply protesting without even knowing what's wrong. The message anyone was trying to get out here was completely destroyed when the anarchists started to destroy property. It devolved into a political meetup. That isn't to say people didn't try to stop them but it didn't really change much. They weren't poor either. They dressed that way just to be *different*. Any good messages were soured by poor presentation and the type of people attending.

[QUOTE=sgman91;40370327]Wall Street can't "order" the government to do anything. They can just offer bribes and paybacks. As long as government has power to effect an industry business in that industry will lobby for a part of that power.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly believe Wall-Street has only "MONEY" to fuck over every elected official in the system?

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40370567]I usually hate saying this but your avatar describes you extremely well.[/QUOTE] ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING. The Occupy movement was as almost every other pointless complaining imbecile. All they did was give us problems, not solutions.

[QUOTE=Stopper;40368213]I wish Occupy hadn't failed so spectacularly.[/QUOTE] To be honest, that the movement will fail was sort of evident after the first two or three months. Generally speaking, movements like these, do require one very important things. They require a functional and recognised leadership center which is able to formulate effective plans, effective demands and actually deal with authorities. They didn't have anything after a month, after roughly 3 or four they had a semi guidline on what they actually want to accomplish, but nothing official, nothing recognised and nothing universally accepted by the majority of the movement. And they didn't actually anyone in command. And basically a bunch of disparate groups under one name trying to pull stuff into vastly different directions. The fact that the various occupies XYZ weren't able to actually coordinate says more than enough. [QUOTE=Zenreon117;40372019]Did you even go an listen to your local rally? The main points were pretty clear and there has already been tons of antithesis to what you just said. If nothing else I'm amazed you haven't picked up on the general theme of stopping the large influence of the banks (WALL STREET) on Politics and our lives. Because fuck poor people, why should they get a say?[/QUOTE] No there were a lot of various points which a lot of people wanted to address, without any way of actually addressing or actually having a universal idea on how they wanted to address it. Everyone knew what the basic premise of occupy was - limit the influence of banking institutions, shows the massive disparities in wealth, try to essentially bring a lot of stuff back down. The problem is that's all there was. A theme is good for the basic premise of a movement. But for a movement to be both effective and survive, said themes must be transformed into attainable goals which can essentially be pushed forward. And these goals must be reocognised by the sheer majority of the disparate members of the movement. This did not happen with occupy. It got stuck in the inception phase. You had people gather under a theme but that was where it stopped. There was no coordination, little actual long term planning. Little seperation of power structures, nothing.