California Governor Signs Marijuana Decriminalization Bill - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25217840]you probably should have to tell me why. would you rather they get their fix from the junkie down the alley or from a controlled quality area provided by the government, who will also provide rehabilitation when needed? people will want and get them regardless of legality so i think the latter is a better option.[/QUOTE] The better option is that they don't get any fixes from the drugs I listed at all. They all provide long term health risks. Actually I'm not sure about cocaine. It at least has an overdosing risk, though.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25217874]The better option is that they don't get any fixes from the drugs I listed at all. They all provide long term health risks.[/QUOTE] That's a great option but is unfortunately not the case.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25217893]That's a great option but is unfortunately not the case.[/QUOTE] So just give up and hand out crack and heroin to anyone who wants it No yeah Totally the right thing to do

[QUOTE=Paramud;25217911]So just give up and hand out crack and heroin to anyone who wants it No yeah Totally the right thing to do[/QUOTE] I'd rather leave the people to decide on what they may inject themselves with rather than trying to cram hundreds of thousands of them into jails with borderline, humane conditions. Seriously, you're that fucking black and white.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;25218042]I'd rather leave the people to decide on what they may inject themselves with rather than trying to cram hundreds of thousands of them into jails with borderline, humane conditions. Seriously, you're that fucking black and white.[/QUOTE] Shades of grey don't mesh with the legal system that well.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25217911]So just give up and hand out crack and heroin to anyone who wants it No yeah Totally the right thing to do[/QUOTE] Educate people on drugs and what they do, and let people decide for themselves what substances they want to take? Sounds like the right thing to do to me.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25218079]Educate people on drugs and what they do, and let people decide for themselves what substances they want to take? Sounds like the right thing to do to me.[/QUOTE] Hey how about we legalize other harmful things and just let people decide what they want

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218135]Hey how about we legalize other harmful things and just let people decide what they want[/QUOTE] We already did. They're called cars, guns, knives, and cough medicine. Seriously, scare tactics work. They managed to convince Congress to illegalize marijuana in the first place by claiming that Mexicans and Blacks turn into rapists and murders because they smoke it, and claim that Whites go insane on the first puff. Now that generation and the one after are so persistent into keeping the those substances illegal.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218135]Hey how about we legalize other harmful things and just let people decide what they want[/QUOTE] More strawmans. If it's something that doesn't harm anyone else, such as substance taking, then I agree with you.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25218186]More strawmans. If it's something that doesn't harm anyone else, such as substance taking, then I agree with you.[/QUOTE] What about fight clubs since both the fighters are consenting

[QUOTE=Paramud;25217784]Legalizing all drugs is a fucking horrible idea. Allowing people to acquire meth, heroin, crack, cocaine, LSD, PCP, and so on without repercussion will never work out. I shouldn't even have to tell you why.[/QUOTE] HAHAHAHAHAHAH Ignorance. Pure bloody fucking ignorance. Portugual had the highest drug use rates in the world. Portugual LEGALIZED almost all drugs. Less than 6 months, DRUG USE REDUCED AT DRASTIC LEVELS. But no, you just want to ignore reality and push a socially conservative agenda. Durp.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25218196]But no, you just want to ignore reality and push a socially conservative agenda. Durp.[/QUOTE] Notice how I never said I was against legalizing pot. Enjoy your Bob Marley records

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218204]Notice how I never said I was against legalizing pot. Enjoy your Bob Marley records[/QUOTE] Are you saying Bob Marley is bad? Regardless of whether you are or not, you're fucking ignorant of the issue. Are you just going to deny the important part of my post and focus on the little unimportant quip to save face? Face it, you're wrong, your entire point is flawed.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25218215]Are you saying Bob Marley is bad?[/quote] Nope. I actually really like his music. [quote]Regardless of whether you are or not, you're fucking ignorant of the issue. Are you just going to deny the important part of my post and focus on the little unimportant quip to save face? Face it, you're wrong, your entire point is flawed.[/QUOTE] I'm going to ignore that part of your post because it's devastating to my case.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218195]What about fight clubs since both the fighters are consenting[/QUOTE] [quote]doesn't harm anyone else[/quote] Read more.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218231]Nope. I actually really like his music. I'm going to ignore that part of your post because it's devastating to my case.[/QUOTE] Then you have no case and should promptly shut the fuck up about it. Legalization of drugs is the only way to stop the problem. You can't make people stop, they won't be doing it if it's not a big deal, it'll fade into the background once things are legalized. Somethings won't, but a lot of shit will, and what doesn't will be used in a much safer environment.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25218238]Read more.[/QUOTE] But both fighters are consenting. They're fine with being harmed by others. [editline]08:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25218256]Legalization of drugs is the only way to stop the problem.[/quote] I'd rather fix the problem. Rate me optimist. [quote]You can't make people stop, they won't be doing it if it's not a big deal, it'll fade into the background once things are legalized.[/quote] Doubtful to all three points. [quote]Somethings won't, but a lot of shit will, and what doesn't will be used in a much safer environment.[/QUOTE] Legalizing it won't just make the criminal underground aspect of it disappear.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218257]But both fighters are consenting. They're fine with being harmed by others. [editline]08:38AM[/editline] I'd rather fix the problem. Rate me optimist. Doubtful to all three points. Legalizing it won't just make the criminal underground aspect of it disappear.[/QUOTE] It's infringing on the rights of other people regardless of if they both wanted to. Substance use is a choice by the individual to themselves. Fix it how? Doubtful why? Because there's a major criminal underground aspect of alcohol after Prohibition, right?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25218300]It's infringing on the rights of other people regardless of if they both wanted to. Substance use is a choice by the individual to themselves.[/quote] Since when was it your right to have access to drugs? [quote]Because there's a major criminal underground aspect of alcohol after Prohibition, right?[/QUOTE] Major?

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218257] Legalizing it won't just make the criminal underground aspect of it disappear.[/QUOTE] Black Markets die whenever the substance they are providing to the people suddenly becomes legal. What would the point be if you are trying to deal out meth while a methadone clinic provides a more 'clean' form of the drug and the person no longer has to share a shit-stained syringe or meet some weirdo at a street corner in a ghetto. Criminal Underworlds will never be able to compete with legal providers so they are pretty much out of business if the government legalize the a particular substance they are attempting to provide.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;25218334]Criminal Underworlds will never be able to compete with legal providers so they are pretty much out of business.[/QUOTE] Sorry, you have that backwards.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218345]Sorry, you have that backwards.[/QUOTE] I don't see people buying cartons of cigarettes from a Crip at a street alley. Instead, they go to a gas station store.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218257]But both fighters are consenting. They're fine with being harmed by others. [editline]08:38AM[/editline] I'd rather fix the problem. Rate me optimist. Doubtful to all three points. Legalizing it won't just make the criminal underground aspect of it disappear.[/QUOTE] The problem in Portugual was FIXED by legalization, and the help programs that go along with that. The difference between fixing and stopping? You like to point out unimportant bullshit so you don't have to deal with the real argument don't you? Why doubtful? Let's see, let's look at precedents because I know your argument isn't based on precedents. Portugual. People didn't stop drinking in the prohibition did they? No. In fact, drinking went up, and the number of speakeasy's/bars went up 20 fold during prohibition. Funny for something illegal. When you tell people they can't have something, restrict their rights to their own bodies, and everything else that comes along with prohibition, you're not exactly making it attractive to stop. Second point? If it isn't ostracized so much, I bet there'd be less users(Portugual). Third point? Portugual. It did. How not? How the fuck can a criminal empire run when the thing they survive on is being produced at a much higher rate and quality by more legit and powerful growers/chemists(companies) they won't have a market. You don't see much of an illegal trade of alcohol do you?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;25218367]I don't see people buying cartons of cigarettes from a Crip at a street alley. Instead, they go to a gas station store.[/QUOTE] Were cigarettes ever illegal?

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218345]Sorry, you have that backwards.[/QUOTE] How? Do you not get this? Like, what the fuck? Do you know how large an industrial agricultural green house centre is? In 3 months, if one of these companies decided to do it(They would, none of them have moral problems with this), they would outgrow EVERYONE that competed against them single handedly. They'd have more weed than the competition combined. They'd outproduce everyone. Thus, criminal empire goes bye bye. Why do you say no?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25218388]Why doubtful? Let's see, let's look at precedents because I know your argument isn't based on precedents. Portugual. People didn't stop drinking in the prohibition did they? No. In fact, drinking went up, and the number of speakeasy's/bars went up 20 fold during prohibition. Funny for something illegal. When you tell people they can't have something, restrict their rights to their own bodies, and everything else that comes along with prohibition, you're not exactly making it attractive to stop. Second point? If it isn't ostracized so much, I bet there'd be less users(Portugual). Third point? Portugual. It did.[/quote] God damn could you bring up Portugal some mroe. [quote]You don't see much of an illegal trade of alcohol do you?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't know since I don't drink either.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218345]Sorry, you have that backwards.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;25218334] Criminal Underworlds will never be able to compete with legal providers so they are pretty much out of business if the government legalize the a particular substance they are attempting to provide.[/QUOTE] You just stated that Legal Providers will never be able to compete with Criminal Underworlds so they are pretty much out of business. Cigarettes are obviously legal. Criminal Underworlds would never be able to compete with that if they started to deal Marlboros on the streets. This applies to the legalization Meth and other harmful drugs. If Clinics open up and begin distributing these to people that need them to saute their addictions, then dealers and traffickers are out of the game because the people can now go to the local clinic and get a dose.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218408]God damn could you bring up Portugal some mroe. I wouldn't know since I don't drink either.[/QUOTE] Why can't I bring it up when it's a valid precedent that negates your argument which is based on thin air. Oh, should I just leave out key proof that disproves you? No, you're dead fucking wrong and still can't admit it when there's PROOF. So, you like speaking out of your ass huh?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25218427]Why can't I bring it up when it's a valid precedent that negates your argument which is based on thin air. Oh, should I just leave out key proof that disproves you? No, you're dead fucking wrong and still can't admit it when there's PROOF. So, you like speaking out of your ass huh?[/QUOTE] I'm saying you like Portugal a lot. But sorry for not taking much of an interest in pot since it really doesn't affect my life. Now I know I'm wrong for not caring about whether or not it was legalized.

[QUOTE=Paramud;25218444]I'm saying you like Portugal a lot. But sorry for not taking much of an interest in pot since it really doesn't affect my life. Now I know I'm wrong for not caring about whether or not it was legalized.[/QUOTE] It's not about taking an interest in Pot, it's a rights violation to determine what we can and can't do for us. That's our decision. Until we start harming other people/property, it's our business. [editline]01:53AM[/editline] And yeah, I like a country that has practically solved their drug problem.