[QUOTE=karimatrix;45994677]Flag battle!
Also, fun fact, i actually participated in creation of that vid, showed joazz's masterpiece to Tobi and he uploaded this.
Soo you readed throught all my posts to make that statement as your fifth one? What an honor.
Also, how is that related to "control of borders with Russia" if that's the part that caught your attention? Where did i ever denied existance of unofficial support for rebels?
Sorry to break your boners fella but i ain't coming here for a shitstorm.[/QUOTE]
Readed isn't a word. Read becomes read based on the grammatical tense of the sentence, past tense being pronounced similar to "red" and present tense being pronounced "reed". No offense meant by this little English lesson, just trying to help.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45995076]Well "the rest of the world" isn't really reporting stuff like odessa, ukrainian shelling of Russia and Ukrainian's shelling civilian centres.
When Russia did this kinda thing (chechnya) the US criticised them for the civilians deaths and the denial of freedom to a state which tried to break away. When Ukraine kill their own people to stop a breakaway (which started as a movement pushing for federalisation which it is now being offered) the US shows support and pressures other to do likewise.
Sure the rebels are doing shitty things but it is being covered in a pretty hypocritical, bias and politicised way.[/QUOTE]
Chechnya was abused by the Soviet Union, exploited for the oil that came through its territory, and sought independence at a time when the other Soviet satellites were becoming independent. It had an ethnic composition overwhelmingly different from Russia's, and a long history of being subjugated by the Russians. They then fought for their own independence against a now-foreign government seeking to retain control of their oil production.
East Ukraine is overwhelmingly Ukrainian, but has a Russian ethnic minority being supported by a foreign government seeking influence for, again, political and economic reasons.
If anything, Russia's support of the rebels as a pretext to invading Ukraine after annexing Crimea makes Ukraine more like Chechnya, in that both Ukraine and Chechnya are ex-Soviet states being invaded by Russia for economic reasons under a paper-thin pretext of saving ethnic Russians. Comparing the Russia-supported rebels in Ukraine to the Chechens isn't even apples and oranges.
[QUOTE=draugur;45995706]Readed isn't a word. Read becomes read based on the grammatical tense of the sentence, past tense being pronounced similar to "red" and present tense being pronounced "reed". No offense meant by this little English lesson, just trying to help.[/QUOTE]
That didn't really help. I see many U.S. posters making way more retarded grammatical mistakes than that, too. He's fucking Russian.
[editline]16th September 2014[/editline]
Oh and you know you meant offense.
[QUOTE=catbarf;45996194]Chechnya was abused by the Soviet Union, exploited for the oil that came through its territory, and sought independence at a time when the other Soviet satellites were becoming independent. It had an ethnic composition overwhelmingly different from Russia's, and a long history of being subjugated by the Russians. They then fought for their own independence against a now-foreign government seeking to retain control of their oil production.
East Ukraine is overwhelmingly Ukrainian, but has a Russian ethnic minority being supported by a foreign government seeking influence for, again, political and economic reasons.
If anything, Russia's support of the rebels as a pretext to invading Ukraine after annexing Crimea makes Ukraine more like Chechnya, in that both Ukraine and Chechnya are ex-Soviet states being invaded by Russia for economic reasons under a paper-thin pretext of saving ethnic Russians. Comparing the Russia-supported rebels in Ukraine to the Chechens isn't even apples and oranges.[/QUOTE]
Have you been to East Ukraine?
No, you haven't.
I have. My father is from Donetsk and I have been there numerous times.
Russian culture isn't in minority there. Any person that have been to East Ukraine will say exactly the same. No, East Ukrainians are not Russian (for a second, what the hell is "Russian"? Russia unites over 100 nationalities, what is "Russian" ethnic?"), but they are very similar in their mentality.
And it is irrelevant - his points are valid. Nobody says rebels are angels, but the West glorifies Ukrainians and doesn't really report a lot of things they do. Russia's support of rebels is still speculation, just like the annex of Crimea is debatable.
[editline]16th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kardia;45995129]So weird that Russia could support a force like that and keep it secret.
Government controlled media does wonders for leader centric nations.[/QUOTE]
Compare two things:
1. A meteorite explodes in Chelyabinsk. Basically visible for a few seconds.
Dozens of videos, photos and stories about it.
2. Russian army roams Ukraine for months. No videos, no documents, no bodies, no dogtags, absolutely nothing. Except one strange photo from super cool USA intelligence that's of much lower quality then google maps photos.
Seems strange.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45996788]
I have. My father is from Donetsk and I have been there numerous times.
Russian culture isn't in minority there. Any person that have been to East Ukraine will say exactly the same. No, East Ukrainians are not Russian (for a second, what the hell is "Russian"? Russia unites over 100 nationalities, what is "Russian" ethnic?"), but they are very similar in their mentality.
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Is your dad ok?
When people say ethnically Russian do they mean slav or the muscovites?
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45996788]2. Russian army roams Ukraine for months. No videos, no documents, no bodies, no dogtags, absolutely nothing. Except one strange photo from super cool USA intelligence that's of much lower quality then google maps photos.[/QUOTE]
Excluding the videos of Russian Tanks (vehicles NOT in service with the UA), Russian POW's taken by the UA, and a sudden massive increase in casualties from "Training Accidents" in the Russian Army. Most of these also coinciding with the sudden pro-rus counter-attack that gained a ton of ground just before the cease-fire.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45996263]That didn't really help. I see many U.S. posters making way more retarded grammatical mistakes than that, too. He's fucking Russian.
[editline]16th September 2014[/editline]
Oh and you know you meant offense.[/QUOTE]
Clearly you know my motivation in my actions better than I do, yep, mhmm. I'd have corrected him regardless of his fucking nationality. Sorry that I'd like to see people improve themselves as posters, my fucking bad right?
Just because plenty of U.S. or Brit posters make grammatical mistakes doesn't really excuse his grammatical mistakes. Yes it's understandable why someone who's native language isn't English would not know all there is to know about it, but it doesn't help him any as a person to not be taught the right usage of read. If he wants to take offense to my help, that is his problem, and he doesn't need you tripping over your self to jump to his defense.
Notice how I didn't pick apart his entire post for grammatical mistakes.
Anyway we're bordering thread derailment, so I'll stop here.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45997001]Excluding the videos of Russian Tanks (vehicles NOT in service with the UA), Russian POW's taken by the UA, and a sudden massive increase in casualties from "Training Accidents" in the Russian Army. Most of these also coinciding with the sudden pro-rus counter-attack that gained a ton of ground just before the cease-fire.[/QUOTE]
Tanks need to go on leave too you know. And once they're on leave they're free to do as they will.
Well, Ukraine is denying Russia their old capital Kiev, which has been the capital of Russians since well, Russia was Russia. They're denying them their historical and mythological homeland which is kind of bad. Ukrainians are just racist Russians, and although they don't have the right to start this war they're going to fight for it no matter what. It's kind of like Israel.
It seems that both pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian commentators seem to think this truce unfairly favors the other side. The important thing to remember is that both Putin and Poroshenko have agreed to this ceasefire, if wither wanted to break it they could have done so by I know.
[QUOTE=space1;45997418]Well, Ukraine is denying Russia their old capital Kiev, which has been the capital of Russians since well, Russia was Russia. They're denying them their historical and mythological homeland which is kind of bad. Ukrainians are just racist Russians, and although they don't have the right to start this war they're going to fight for it no matter what. [B]It's kind of like Israel.[/B][/QUOTE]
In what regard? Are the Russians akin to the Israelis and the Ukrainians akin to the Palestinians? or is it the other way around?
[QUOTE=space1;45997418]Well, Ukraine is denying Russia their old capital Kiev, which has been the capital of Russians since well, Russia was Russia. They're denying them their historical and mythological homeland which is kind of bad. Ukrainians are just racist Russians, and although they don't have the right to start this war they're going to fight for it no matter what. It's kind of like Israel.[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes. Onwards we march, we must protect the ethnic Russian soil that suffered for so long under, literally under the secessionist occupants, whatever that may mean!
[QUOTE=space1;45997418]Well, Ukraine is denying Russia their old capital Kiev, which has been the capital of Russians since well, Russia was Russia. They're denying them their historical and mythological homeland which is kind of bad. Ukrainians are just racist Russians, and although they don't have the right to start this war they're going to fight for it no matter what. It's kind of like Israel.[/QUOTE]
i think i just had a stroke from reading this post
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45997550]i think i just had a stroke from reading this post[/QUOTE]
Nah, that's pretty tame. That's exactly the sort of thing Russian right-wing publicists and 'analysts' spout on a daily basis. Between calling for president to nuke USA and Japan, that is. Sometimes it's even worse. All in all, that wasn't even a little bit crazy.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45997550]i think i just had a stroke from reading this post[/QUOTE]Well then pull your hand out of your pants, you naughty boy.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45995076]Well "the rest of the world" isn't really reporting stuff like odessa, [/QUOTE]
It did when it happened. Why should it now? The rest of the world doesn't even report on MH17 anymore, why should it keep reporting Odessa, something which happened almost half a year ago. Why should the rest of the world re-report RT's manufactured Fox-Benghazi-Style propaganda shit?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;45997814]It did when it happened. Why should it now? The rest of the world doesn't even report on MH17 anymore, why should it keep reporting Odessa, something which happened almost half a year ago. Why should the rest of the world re-report RT's manufactured Fox-Benghazi-Style propaganda shit?[/QUOTE]
At the time it was reported as an accident and the protesters inside were viewed as some kind of aggressor.
They were trapped in that building, shot at when they tried to escape and the emergency services were blocked by maiden activists. Nothing short of murder.
It wasn't reported as murder though instead the truth was omitted to make maiden more palatable to the public.
That quality of reporting would be like saying MH17 fell out of the air by some mechanical fault or accident.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45997874]blocked by maiden activists. Nothing short of murder.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how shakey your geography is... but maiden isn't in Odessa.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45997550]i think i just had a stroke from reading this post[/QUOTE]
It's not that it's not at least semi factual, Kiev was the capital of the first Russian state.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45996788]Russia's support of rebels is still speculation, just like the annex of Crimea is debatable.[/QUOTE]
It's amazing that the Russian propaganda machine actually convinces people that there's anything speculative about it.
You've got [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28817347"]rebel soldiers being trained in Russia[/URL], [URL="http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-invading-ukraine-moscow-sending-trucks-weapons-rebels-report-claims-1668910"]Russian-made weapons flowing into eastern Ukraine[/URL], [URL="http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21615605-now-willing-use-russian-troops-more-or-less-openly-eastern-ukraine-vladimir-putin-has"]sudden reversals in the conflict as the rebels magically draw up professional soldiers and equipment from nowhere[/URL], [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11056312/Russian-paratroopers-captured-in-Ukraine-accidentally-crossed-border.html"]Russian paratroopers with all markings removed 'accidentally' crossing fifty miles into Ukraine[/URL], and a Russian mothers' organization that has existed since the fall of the Soviet Union [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-russian-mothers-of-killed-and-captured-soldiers-ask-why-are-our-sons-fighting-in-ukraine-9701805.html"]has been branded a fucking [I]foreign agency[/I][/URL] because they're asking questions about why so many Russian soldiers are coming home dead if they're not actually at war.
The only thing that's speculation is how much bullshit Putin can actually feed to his people before the rest of the world gets sufficiently tired of it to act.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45996788]Russia's support of rebels is still speculation, just like the annex of Crimea is debatable[/QUOTE]
How did I miss this gem.
[QUOTE=catbarf;45999587]It's amazing that the Russian propaganda machine actually convinces people that there's anything speculative about it.
You've got [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28817347"]rebel soldiers being trained in Russia[/URL], [URL="http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-invading-ukraine-moscow-sending-trucks-weapons-rebels-report-claims-1668910"]Russian-made weapons flowing into eastern Ukraine[/URL], [URL="http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21615605-now-willing-use-russian-troops-more-or-less-openly-eastern-ukraine-vladimir-putin-has"]sudden reversals in the conflict as the rebels magically draw up professional soldiers and equipment from nowhere[/URL], [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11056312/Russian-paratroopers-captured-in-Ukraine-accidentally-crossed-border.html"]Russian paratroopers with all markings removed 'accidentally' crossing fifty miles into Ukraine[/URL], and a Russian mothers' organization that has existed since the fall of the Soviet Union [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-russian-mothers-of-killed-and-captured-soldiers-ask-why-are-our-sons-fighting-in-ukraine-9701805.html"]has been branded a fucking [I]foreign agency[/I][/URL] because they're asking questions about why so many Russian soldiers are coming home dead if they're not actually at war.
The only thing that's speculation is how much bullshit Putin can actually feed to his people before the rest of the world gets sufficiently tired of it to act.[/QUOTE]
What's even more surprising is all of the people in the US who believe the Russian propaganda too. The propaganda wasn't even convincing, the Russians kept throwing excuses after excuses, while silencing any and all opposition in the motherland. Fascist bastards.
[QUOTE=catbarf;45999587]It's amazing that the Russian propaganda machine actually convinces people that there's anything speculative about it.
You've got [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28817347"]rebel soldiers being trained in Russia[/URL], [URL="http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-invading-ukraine-moscow-sending-trucks-weapons-rebels-report-claims-1668910"]Russian-made weapons flowing into eastern Ukraine[/URL], [URL="http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21615605-now-willing-use-russian-troops-more-or-less-openly-eastern-ukraine-vladimir-putin-has"]sudden reversals in the conflict as the rebels magically draw up professional soldiers and equipment from nowhere[/URL], [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11056312/Russian-paratroopers-captured-in-Ukraine-accidentally-crossed-border.html"]Russian paratroopers with all markings removed 'accidentally' crossing fifty miles into Ukraine[/URL], and a Russian mothers' organization that has existed since the fall of the Soviet Union [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-russian-mothers-of-killed-and-captured-soldiers-ask-why-are-our-sons-fighting-in-ukraine-9701805.html"]has been branded a fucking [I]foreign agency[/I][/URL] because they're asking questions about why so many Russian soldiers are coming home dead if they're not actually at war.
The only thing that's speculation is how much bullshit Putin can actually feed to his people before the rest of the world gets sufficiently tired of it to act.[/QUOTE]
Give me a photo of a Russian soldier fighting in Ukraine.
The only real evidence of any Russian soldiers being in Ukraine are Russian paratroopers from the last article. Except if you actually read the articles you referer to then you would understand they didn't even fight.
All other articles still prove nothing and are speculative as hell. You can't prove the sudden reversal in the conflict is caused by russian professional soldiers and not by a dozen of other factors.
I think Russia does help the rebels. No secret the volonteurs from Russia fight in Ukraine. But it's not like the Evil Putin is doing his Evil Things and all the war is caused single handedly by him.
And there is still no proof any Russian army soldier fought in Ukraine.
Russia bringing a huge aid convoy to Ukraine caused a massive outrage from the West.
However shelling Russians, shelling East Ukraine cities, leaving civillians without food or water and
murdering people live on government tv channels is democratinc enough to not pay attention to it, or so most of the Western media thinks (except maybe Vice).
It's amazing how blind can you be.
I have a Russia flag so whatever I say is wrong. Period.
[editline]17th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;45997491]It seems that both pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian commentators seem to think this truce unfairly favors the other side. The important thing to remember is that both Putin and Poroshenko have agreed to this ceasefire, if wither wanted to break it they could have done so by I know.
[/QUOTE]
Did the rebels agree to it though?
The truce seems to be exactly what they fought against for this whole time.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46000819]Give me a photo of a Russian soldier fighting in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73478000/jpg/_73478219_021477866-1.jpg[/img]
This is from February.
Oh look a Russian soldier defending a captured Ukrainian airbase.
Also in February.
[img]http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/headline/public/2014/03/05/ukraine-russian-soldier.jpg?itok=9E-JnaFk[/img]
Here is a clearly Russian tank operating in Ukraine taken a couple weeks ago
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77206000/jpg/_77206671_tanktank.jpg[/img]
[quote]This variant, distinguished by the prominent Kontakt-5 Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) arrangement - the boxes on the turret front - is commonly referred to by Western sources as the T-72BM.
It is operated by the Russian Army in large numbers, but crucially it is not known to have been exported or operated outside of Russia.[/quote]
You can honestly do this all night, picture after picture. But obviously you're never going to accept it because you've already made up your mind to never accept it.
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75530000/jpg/_75530335_russian_image4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75530000/jpg/_75530337_russian_image3.jpg[/img]
These aint images from hairbrained blogs either
don't forget the hilarious fuckup of the Russian Soldier uploading his pictures to instagram.
[url]http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/07/31/selfie-addicted-russian-soldier-caught-ukrainian-territory-instagram-geo-tagging-0[/url]
[img]http://puu.sh/bCl4p/7594fe0c18.jpg[/img]
Also don't forget that Russian government website that uploaded a report detailing how it lost 100+ soldiers in a single battle in Ukraine. Which was quickly pulled down afterwards - but not until half the world saw it.
[quote]More than 100 Russian soldiers were killed in eastern Ukraine in a single battle this month while helping pro-Russian separatists fight Ukrainian troops, two members of the Russian presidential human rights council said on Thursday, citing accounts from eyewitnesses and relatives of the dead.
Ella Polyakova and Sergei Krivenko, both members of the council - an advisory body with no legal powers and an uneasy relationship with the Kremlin - said around 300 people were wounded in the same incident on Aug. 13 near the town of Snizhnye, when a column of trucks they were driving, full of ammunition, was hit by a sustained volley of Grad missiles.
"A column of Russian soldiers was attacked by Grad rockets and more than 100 people died. It all happened in the city of Snizhnye in Donetsk province," Krivenko told Reuters.
Polyakova said she had been given the same figure for the number of Russian soldiers killed.
They said they had spoken to around 10 relatives of the dead and fellow soldiers who witnessed the attack, some of whom had accompanied the bodies back to Russia. Their sources said there was no documentation proving the soldiers had been in Ukraine, and the death certificates were filled out to suggest they had died elsewhere.[/quote]
[url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-casualties-idUKKBN0GS20H20140828[/url]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/russian-soldiers-ukraine-rights-groups[/url]
I could continue for like hours but I got to go to work.
[QUOTE=Raskol;46000840][img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73478000/jpg/_73478219_021477866-1.jpg[/img]
This is from February.
Oh look a Russian soldier defending a captured Ukrainian airbase.
Also in February.
[img]http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/headline/public/2014/03/05/ukraine-russian-soldier.jpg?itok=9E-JnaFk[/img]
Here is a clearly Russian tank operating in Ukraine taken a couple weeks ago
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77206000/jpg/_77206671_tanktank.jpg[/img]
You can honestly do this all night, picture after picture. But obviously you're never going to accept it because you've already made up your mind to never accept it.
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75530000/jpg/_75530335_russian_image4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75530000/jpg/_75530337_russian_image3.jpg[/img]
These aint images from hairbrained blogs either
don't forget the hilarious fuckup of the Russian Soldier uploading his pictures to instagram.
[url]http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/07/31/selfie-addicted-russian-soldier-caught-ukrainian-territory-instagram-geo-tagging-0[/url]
[img]http://puu.sh/bCl4p/7594fe0c18.jpg[/img]
Also don't forget that Russian government website that uploaded a report detailing how it lost 100+ soldiers in a single battle in Ukraine. Which was quickly pulled down afterwards - but not until half the world saw it.
[url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-casualties-idUKKBN0GS20H20140828[/url]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/russian-soldiers-ukraine-rights-groups[/url][/QUOTE]
The first photo is from the time when no Russian soldiers fought. These are green men and there was no fighting with them.
The second one is some soldier laying in grass. May be Russian or may be not. That's not really proof.
"Clearly a Russian tank". I remember what that photo is from. Can we please not be internet military experts. This is like trying to distinguish one AK variant from an other.
And the city conoy photo - I just dunno. Is it even Ukraine? Is it even 2014? We are going throught Ukraine black ops, right? Well then why the fuck is our glorious army riding throught a town highway with flags out? Oh I forgot every black ops operation goes like this.
The instagram stuff is actually interesting and might be the only proof.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46000980]"Clearly a Russian tank". I remember what that photo is from. Can we please not be internet military experts. This is like trying to distinguish one AK variant from an other.[/QUOTE]
Good thing [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28961080]it wasn't internet experts then, but real experts[/url], from the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Institute_for_Strategic_Studies]International Institute for Strategic Studies[/url].
And just to nitpick further, it is entirely possible to distinguish one AK variant from another.
At this point i believe Russia is paying Russian Facepunch users to deny Russia's involvement in the Ukraine Crisis. The only funnier part to all this is not much is being said about Crimea. It's like they know it's going to be a living hell to ever re-claim.
:tinfoil:
[QUOTE=Raskol;46000840][IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73478000/jpg/_73478219_021477866-1.jpg[/IMG]
This is from February.
Oh look a Russian soldier defending a captured Ukrainian airbase.
Also in February.
[IMG]http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/headline/public/2014/03/05/ukraine-russian-soldier.jpg?itok=9E-JnaFk[/IMG]
Here is a clearly Russian tank operating in Ukraine taken a couple weeks ago
[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77206000/jpg/_77206671_tanktank.jpg[/IMG]
You can honestly do this all night, picture after picture. But obviously you're never going to accept it because you've already made up your mind to never accept it.
[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75530000/jpg/_75530335_russian_image4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75530000/jpg/_75530337_russian_image3.jpg[/IMG]
These aint images from hairbrained blogs either
don't forget the hilarious fuckup of the Russian Soldier uploading his pictures to instagram.
[URL]http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/07/31/selfie-addicted-russian-soldier-caught-ukrainian-territory-instagram-geo-tagging-0[/URL]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/bCl4p/7594fe0c18.jpg[/IMG]
Also don't forget that Russian government website that uploaded a report detailing how it lost 100+ soldiers in a single battle in Ukraine. Which was quickly pulled down afterwards - but not until half the world saw it.
[URL]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-casualties-idUKKBN0GS20H20140828[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/russian-soldiers-ukraine-rights-groups[/URL]
I could continue for like hours but I got to go to work.[/QUOTE]
Self-defense units and volunteers. Instagram man is traitor and foreign agent. Why even bother posting this?
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;46001275]Self-defense units and volunteers. Instagram man is traitor and foreign agent. Why even bother posting this?[/QUOTE]
Can you back this up with some evidence?
Besides denying Russian military presence in Ukraine when Crimea is under Russian occupation is completely fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46001294]Can you back this up with some evidence?
Besides denying Russian military presence in Ukraine when Crimea is under Russian occupation is completely fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
I think he's doing satire.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46001313]I think he's doing satire.[/QUOTE]
I thought Conscript was a troll and then laserguided, karimatrix, mdeceiver29 and MuffinZerg came along.
It's hard to tell whether they are doing satire or not.
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