Israel, what the fuck are you doing? Foreign minister says settlement building will resume

[Prismatex]

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11199709[/url]
[release]The Israeli foreign minister says he will block any attempt by the coalition government to extend the partial freeze on settlements in the West Bank.

Avigdor Lieberman said his hard-line Yisrael Beitenu party was powerful enough to defeat any such proposal.

The Palestinian Authority has said it will not continue US-sponsored peace talks - the first in almost two years - if settlement building resumes.

The partial freeze is due to expire later this month.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not yet indicated how he intends to handle the 26 September deadline.

Direct peace talks resumed in Washington on Thursday with the target of reaching a deal within a year.

Mr Netanyahu is due to meet Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas for a second round of talks next week in Egypt.

Meanwhile, the Hamas movement which controls the Gaza Strip says the Palestinian authorities in the West Bank have detained another 35 of its members, following attacks by Hamas's armed wing that left four Israeli settlers dead and two others wounded.

Hamas said the latest arrests took the number of its members detained since last week's attacks to 750.

Israel had demanded that the Palestinian Authority take action against Hamas, and has said that the recently relaunched peace talks must involve further moves to protect Israeli security.

[B]Peace deal 'not possible'
[/B]In an interview with Israeli Army Radio on Sunday, Mr Lieberman - who lives in a settlement himself - said there was "no need to extend the freeze".

"Yisrael Beitenu has enough power in the government and in parliament to ensure that no such proposal succeeds," he said.

His nationalist party is the second largest faction in the governing coalition after Mr Netanyahu's right-wing Likud party, which also opposes any extension.

On Sunday, Mr Lieberman reportedly brushed off the latest round of talks, from which he has been largely sidelined.

"I do not believe that a comprehensive agreement with the Palestinians is possible within a year, nor even during the next generation," he said, according to army radio.

Prime Minister Netanyahu has said the settlement issue should be discussed alongside other core disputes, including the final status of Jerusalem and the fate of Palestinian refugees.

Some 300,000 Israelis live in West Bank settlements, among the territory's 2.5 million Palestinians.

They are considered illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this.

[B]Mubarak pledge
[/B]Meanwhile, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has spoken in favour of peace talks in a televised address.

"We [Egypt] are determined to continue our efforts until a just and honourable peace agreement is reached, that brings security for all, ends occupation, places the Middle East on a new track and sets up an independent Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital," he said.

Mr Mubarak said solving the conflict was central to the region's security.

"The Palestinian issue will continue to be the key to our regional security and the approach to solve the rest of its crises and problems," he said.

He delivered his address as Washington announced that the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, would attend the next round of direct talks later this month in the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheik.[/release]

These dumb fucks' desire to make that entire strip of shitty desert fully theirs is going to keep peace from happening. Good going, morons.

[ZekeTwo]

Israel lied? Can't say I'm surprised.

[codenamecueball]

shit just got isreal

[Billiam]

I can't believe this Israel.

[JoeyZ]

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;24652708]shit just got isreal[/QUOTE]

:golfclap:

[Deleted307904]

What a fucking prick. This is such a stupid conflict, and Israel keeps on making itself look worse. I used to be on their side, now I'm just pissed at both sides for being so thick-skulled and stubborn about everything.

[Shustriyvich]

The U.N should just replace their government

[Kolmala]

I am so sick of this shit. Fuck Israel's government.

[Devodiere]

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24652651]Israel lied? Can't say I'm surprised.[/QUOTE]

No-one lied, Netanyahu still plans on extending the freeze but as he leads a coalition government, Lieberman can get his party to block it. This is an internal thing due to the high amount of far-right wingers in Israels government, not going back on their promise.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Devodiere;24653581]No-one lied, Netanyahu still plans on extending the freeze but as he leads a coalition government, Lieberman can get his party to block it. This is an internal thing due to the high amount of far-right wingers in Israels government, not going back on their promise.[/QUOTE]

Stop defending nationalists...

[BurnEmDown]

ITT: people who think Lieberman can actually decide on such a big issue.
It's not even in his office, he's the foreign minister, this is more of a interior minister thing.

[editline]02:54AM[/editline]

Keep in mind that: Foreign minister said =\= official Israeli policy.

[DogGunn]

Hilariously incorrect newsreporting.

[PassTheBong]

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;24652708]shit just got isreal[/QUOTE]

at first I was like :wtc:

but then i was like :cawg:

[Gmod_Fan77]

I understand making peace, but this has nothing to do with peace. They're building settlements, so what?

Since the land is wilderness desert, I doubt they'll be successful anyway.

[DokVis]

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24656314]I understand making peace, but this has nothing to do with peace. They're building settlements, so what?

Since the land is wilderness desert, I doubt they'll be successful anyway.[/QUOTE]
They are building on occupied land.

[ZekeTwo]

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;24656314]I understand making peace, but this has nothing to do with peace. They're building settlements, so what?

Since the land is wilderness desert, I doubt they'll be successful anyway.[/QUOTE]

Villages don't count as wilderness desert

[Devodiere]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24653626]Stop defending nationalists...[/QUOTE]

Why does everyone act as if arguing an unpopular side is a crime in itself? Everything I said was factual and the only way you could disagree is if you didn't want to hear. I'm not defending nationalists as the only thing I am trying to do is make the situation more clear. I never even argued against extending the freeze, just pointed out who was the one that actually did.

[Newb]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24653626]Stop defending nationalists...[/QUOTE]
He [b]IS[/b] right, you know.

[Ridge]

[QUOTE=loled;24658673]He [b]IS[/b] right, you know.[/QUOTE]

NO NOOOO NOOOOO NOOOOOOOOO ISRAEL IS ALWAYS WRONG AND ANYONE WHO AGREES WITH THEM IS WRONG AND DESERVES TO DIE!!!

Oh, sorry, was channeling Warhol's thoughts there for a second...

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Devodiere;24653581]No-one lied, Netanyahu still plans on extending the freeze but as he leads a coalition government, Lieberman can get his party to block it. This is an internal thing due to the high amount of far-right wingers in Israels government, not going back on their promise.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24653810]ITT: people who think Lieberman can actually decide on such a big issue.
It's not even in his office, he's the foreign minister, this is more of a interior minister thing.

[editline]02:54AM[/editline]

Keep in mind that: Foreign minister said =\= official Israeli policy.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, no.

[URL]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD9I1PMCO0[/URL]

- Ehud Barak

[editline]08:59AM[/editline]

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Minister_of_Israel"]Minister of Defense[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_leaders_of_Israel#Deputy_Prime_Minister"]Deputy Prime Minister[/URL] in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binyamin_Netanyahu"]Binyamin Netanyahu[/URL]'s [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Israel"]government[/URL]

[Neolk]

Its just one guy in the government that is saying this.

There are still plenty of people in congress that support the war in iraq/afghanistan, doesn't mean you can say "fuck the government"

Wait until actual policy implementation before talking shit. If the policy decides to actually scrap the peace talks and extend settlement then you can talk, but until then this is just a dumb proposal one party thought of.

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Neolk;24660207]Its just one guy in the government that is saying this.

There are still plenty of people in congress that support the war in iraq/afghanistan, doesn't mean you can say "fuck the government"

Wait until actual policy implementation before talking shit.[/QUOTE]
read the above post

[editline]09:00AM[/editline]

before talking shit

[editline]09:01AM[/editline]

We have [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Minister_of_Israel"][COLOR=#0000ff]Minister of Defense[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_leaders_of_Israel#Deputy_Prime_Minister"][COLOR=#0000ff]Deputy Prime Minister[/COLOR][/URL] in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binyamin_Netanyahu"][COLOR=#0000ff]Binyamin Netanyahu[/COLOR][/URL]'s [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Israel"][COLOR=#0000ff]government[/COLOR][/URL] and the foreign minister saying the same thing; I'm sure it's not only one person.

[FreeThinker]

[QUOTE=Neolk;24660207]Its just one guy in the government that is saying this.

There are still plenty of people in congress that support the war in iraq/afghanistan, doesn't mean you can say "fuck the government"

Wait until actual policy implementation before talking shit. If the policy decides to actually scrap the peace talks and extend settlement then you can talk, but until then this is just a dumb proposal one party thought of.[/QUOTE]

Many studies have shown that nationalists have much lower IQs, but I didn't know that a seemingly average nationalist poster on Facepunch would have an IQ so low that it would impair his reading ability.

[Devodiere]

[QUOTE=starpluck;24660194]Sadly, no.

[URL]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD9I1PMCO0[/URL]

- Ehud Barak

[editline]08:59AM[/editline]

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Minister_of_Israel"]Minister of Defense[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_leaders_of_Israel#Deputy_Prime_Minister"]Deputy Prime Minister[/URL] in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binyamin_Netanyahu"]Binyamin Netanyahu[/URL]'s [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Israel"]government[/URL][/QUOTE]

He said that it is unlikely to be in it's current form and while I can hope it will be something better, there's a good chance it will be something worse. He does not oppose it entirely and seemingly wants a compromise, even though it's a rubbish freeze now. There's also the pretty simple explanation that the Cabinet is made up of at least 4 different parties who will obviously have some conflict in their views, Netanyahu, Lieberman and Barak are all in different parties themselves. Netanyahu also said that he hasn't decided what he will do for the reason that he doesn't want to upset Lieberman before he has to, it's just a political game.

[BurnEmDown]

[QUOTE=starpluck;24660194]Sadly, no.

[URL]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD9I1PMCO0[/URL]

- Ehud Barak

[editline]08:59AM[/editline]

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Minister_of_Israel"]Minister of Defense[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_leaders_of_Israel#Deputy_Prime_Minister"]Deputy Prime Minister[/URL] in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binyamin_Netanyahu"]Binyamin Netanyahu[/URL]'s [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Israel"]government[/URL][/QUOTE]

Yeah, except they still didn't decide, so don't act as if the decision was already made.

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Devodiere;24660518]He said that it is unlikely to be in it's current form and while I can hope it will be something better, there's a good chance it will be something worse. He does not oppose it entirely and seemingly wants a compromise, even though it's a rubbish freeze now. There's also the pretty simple explanation that the Cabinet is made up of at least 4 different parties who will obviously have some conflict in their views, Netanyahu, Lieberman and Barak are all in different parties themselves. Netanyahu also said that he hasn't decided what he will do for the reason that he doesn't want to upset Lieberman before he has to, it's just a political game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24661925]Yeah, except they still didn't decide, so don't act as if the decision was already made.[/QUOTE]
So you think settlements will cease to expand?

[Devodiere]

[QUOTE=starpluck;24662776]So you think settlements will cease to expand?[/QUOTE]

That is related to what the government does and anything I say would simply be speculation and opinion. Liebrman obviously didn't want them in the first place so he will oppose it but if talks go well then Netanyahu could support extending the freeze or stopping settlements entirely.

[BurnEmDown]

[QUOTE=starpluck;24662776]So you think settlements will cease to expand?[/QUOTE]

No, but I hope so, and at least I know that there's a chance they will.

But saying stuff like "Israel, what the fuck are you doing?" and "fuck Israel's government" is stupid. Every government has a few idiots that don't have opinions which conform with the rest, just because they state these opinions doesn't mean that this is what the entire government thinks or w/e.
You can protest against it and stay that it will be stupid, but don't act as if Israel has already decided to do this.

[Theater]

Well shit.
I am no longer a supporter of israel.
If these dimwits can´t learn from past mistakes, then to hell with them.

[Crhem van der B]

And I thought BBC isn't biased.. Well they sure as hell can't even newsreport the truth, but rather part of the truth.