Conservative documentary film '2016: Obama's America' poised to surpass Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient T - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=rinoaff33;37498075]Also by that logic Germany should be turned into a smoking crater given its track record with world wars. But that would just be mean.[/QUOTE] dammit rinoaff33 I WAS TRYING TO AVOID GODWIN'S LAW

Hmm, what claims does the film actually make? I don't want to immediately write if off as untrue and wrong, necessarily. On a somewhat related note, I'm much more worried of Romney than Bush. I mean, Bush did do a lot of wrong/bad things (subjectively), and I do think he was a bit ignorant, but I think at heart he wanted the best for America and its people. Romney, on the other hand, is unsettling. He's a business man who probably has been evading taxes for years, and I really don't fully understand his intentions yet. Will he cut education more, or find more ways to tax the poor and whatnot? It's hard to say, and it makes me uncomfortable. I know he's bad, but I don't know how bad.

well we're fucked, the republicans have a movie now, they've captured the american voters

[QUOTE=Glaber;37497889]Those who do not learn of the past, shall doom their future[/QUOTE] No shit but only if the past is actually relevant to the future. Looking at Obama's past is fine and all, but not everything is necessarily relevant to the policies he might try and enact. It's character assassination. It's pulling together an argument against a person using information that isn't really important. If Mitt Romney's father was a german, does that give me the right to imply that he is a Nazi?

[QUOTE=Glaber;37497889]Those who do not learn of the past, shall doom their future[/QUOTE] Why is Romney's past off-limits then? I never see conservatives talk about pre-Primary Romney.

Here is a tip: Fair critique and comparison: Obama voted in favor of _____ when he was in the legislature, therefore we can make a reasonable assumption that he is in favor of ____. Unfair critique and comparison: Obama's father was an anti-colonialist and Obama wrote in a book that he agreed with his father on some stuff somewhere. Therefore Obama has infiltrated the US government in order to diminish its standing among nations.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37498646]Why is Romney's past off-limits then? I never see conservatives talk about pre-Primary Romney.[/QUOTE] Romney wasn't a blank slate like Obama was in 2008. Of course, that doesn't mean he's off limits, more like we already heard about that in the republican primaries and he still wound up being the best choice. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;37498652]Here is a tip: Fair critique and comparison: Obama voted in favor of _____ when he was in the legislature, therefore we can make a reasonable assumption that he is in favor of ____. Unfair critique and comparison: Obama's father was an anti-colonialist and Obama wrote in a book that he agreed with his father on some stuff somewhere. Therefore Obama has infiltrated the US government in order to diminish its standing among nations.[/QUOTE] you know, you should probably watch the movie before jumping to conclusions. His father alone is not enough. I at least watch Michal Moor films all the way through before criticizing them. maybe you could do the same with this movie?

[QUOTE=Repulsion;37498314]Hmm, what claims does the film actually make? I don't want to immediately write if off as untrue and wrong, necessarily. On a somewhat related note, I'm much more worried of Romney than Bush. I mean, Bush did do a lot of wrong/bad things (subjectively), and I do think he was a bit ignorant, but I think at heart he wanted the best for America and its people. Romney, on the other hand, is unsettling. He's a business man who probably has been evading taxes for years, and I really don't fully understand his intentions yet. Will he cut education more, or find more ways to tax the poor and whatnot? It's hard to say, and it makes me uncomfortable. I know he's bad, but I don't know how bad.[/QUOTE] what makes you think Romney is an evil businessman who wants to tax the poor? What reason do you have to think Romney doesn't want what's best for the American people? Don't dismiss someone as "bad" without knowing about them first.

[QUOTE=Glaber;37497889]Those who do not learn of the past, shall doom their future[/QUOTE] i wish u would learn from your past and not post [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;37498907]What reason do you have to think Romney doesn't want what's best for the American people?[/QUOTE] well one reason is because he's a bigoted fuck

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;37498907]what makes you think Romney is an evil businessman who wants to tax the poor? What reason do you have to think Romney doesn't want what's best for the American people? Don't dismiss someone as "bad" without knowing about them first.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't straight up call him [i]evil[/i], but his business experience involves making a shitload of money helping companies outsource jobs, and his tax plan has inconsistencies that will place a bigger burden on the middle class. He also doesn't seem to care about social issues, because he was willing to flop on pretty much his whole record in order to appease the tea partiers.

Nobody's pasts should be off limits. Just look at the parts of people's pasts that are RELEVANT to what they are doing and what they want to do in the future.

[QUOTE=Splarg!;37499068]I wouldn't straight up call him [i]evil[/i], but his business experience involves making a shitload of money helping companies outsource jobs, and his tax plan has inconsistencies that will place a bigger burden on the middle class. He also doesn't seem to care about social issues, because he was willing to flop on pretty much his whole record in order to appease the tea partiers.[/QUOTE] Yes he did outsource jobs, but his main job was to help make the companies more profitable. Does that lead to outsourcing? yes, sometimes. But other times, the companies were already involved in outsourcing before Bain got involved. Romney's job was to make money, and he did it. I agree though, his tax plan is troubling.

Does anyone else remember that one article that reported on how supposedly Romney had assaulted a kid (tackling him, holding him down, cutting his hair, etc) when he was younger and we had some people crying foul because it apparently had no bearing on what he was like today?

[QUOTE=Aesir;37499511]Does anyone else remember that one article that reported on how supposedly Romney had assaulted a kid (tackling him, holding him down, cutting his hair, etc) when he was younger and we had some people crying foul because it apparently had no bearing on what he was like today?[/QUOTE] yep. but of course, whether or not Obama's dad was a muslim obviously matters.

[QUOTE=Aesir;37499511]Does anyone else remember that one article that reported on how supposedly Romney had assaulted a kid (tackling him, holding him down, cutting his hair, etc) when he was younger and we had some people crying foul because it apparently had no bearing on what he was like today?[/QUOTE] yeah the whole "but he isn't like that any more!" when in reality his character seems pretty much exactly the same, just that he no longer needs to physically assault people to oppress them

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;37499757]yeah the whole "but he isn't like that any more!" when in reality his character seems pretty much exactly the same, just that he no longer needs to physically assault people to oppress them[/QUOTE] I haven't seen him apologize for it anyway.

[QUOTE=Aesir;37499511]Does anyone else remember that one article that reported on how supposedly Romney had assaulted a kid (tackling him, holding him down, cutting his hair, etc) when he was younger and we had some people crying foul because it apparently had no bearing on what he was like today?[/QUOTE] I'm one of the people who was saying this has no bearing on Romney now, just like I don't think any of this shit in 2016 really has bearing on Obama now. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;37500053]I haven't seen him apologize for it anyway.[/QUOTE] Apologize to who? You don't deserve an apology, this never affected you.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37500057]Apologize to who? You don't deserve an apology, this never affected you.[/QUOTE]Apologize to the guy he assaulted.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37500129]Apologize to the guy he assaulted.[/QUOTE] Is it any of your business? Do we need to make public apologies whenever we do something wrong? "I'm sorry people of America, I forgot to make the bed this morning and my mommy was really mad." This wasn't a crime against America, this was a crime against one person. You don't deserve an apology.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37500187]Is it any of your business? Do we need to make public apologies whenever we do something wrong? "I'm sorry people of America, I forgot to make the bed this morning and my mommy was really mad." This wasn't a crime against America, this was a crime against one person. You don't deserve an apology.[/QUOTE]When you assault someone physically just because they look different, its a bit more severe than forgetting to make your bed. And when you're running for such an important position, something like that is notable, especially when you've shown that the only difference is that you can now use legislature to harass an entire group of people for being different instead of having to just assault them one at a time.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37500298]When you assault someone physically just because they look different, its a bit more severe than forgetting to make your bed. And when you're running for such an important position, something like that is notable, especially when you've shown that the only difference is that you can now use legislature to harass an entire group of people for being different instead of having to just assault them one at a time.[/QUOTE] So 2016 is an accurate movie, then? It's the exact same thing except from the perspective of a different ideology.

[QUOTE=Glaber;37498698]Romney wasn't a blank slate like Obama was in 2008. Of course, that doesn't mean he's off limits, more like we already heard about that in the republican primaries and he still wound up being the best choice. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] you know, you should probably watch the movie before jumping to conclusions. His father alone is not enough. I at least watch Michal Moor films all the way through before criticizing them. maybe you could do the same with this movie?[/QUOTE] why do you keep trying to defend this movie if nobody thinks your opinion is credible

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37500329]So 2016 is an accurate movie, then? It's the exact same thing except from the perspective of a different ideology.[/QUOTE] no objectively it isn't

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37500187]Is it any of your business? Do we need to make public apologies whenever we do something wrong? "I'm sorry people of America, I forgot to make the bed this morning and my mommy was really mad." This wasn't a crime against America, this was a crime against one person. You don't deserve an apology.[/QUOTE] Maybe make it clear he doesn't approve of bullying? I'm just saying it would make him look better, and I haven't heard anything about his response.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37500187]Is it any of your business? Do we need to make public apologies whenever we do something wrong? "I'm sorry people of America, I forgot to make the bed this morning and my mommy was really mad." This wasn't a crime against America, this was a crime against one person. You don't deserve an apology.[/QUOTE] you didn't even read the post you quoted

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37500329]So 2016 is an accurate movie, then? It's the exact same thing except from the perspective of a different ideology.[/QUOTE] I think romney bullying a dude because he looked or somehow acted gay is a little different than obama met his dad once so that means he's a hateful colonialist who wants to destroy america. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] I mean we're at that weird sort of point in a civil rights movement where a majority agrees gay people deserve rights but nothing seems to change. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] all about the context

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37490503]That map is like...every election in the United States...[/QUOTE] Yea, 2008 and 2004 are basically exactly the same.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;37500404]no objectively it isn't[/QUOTE] It objectively is. You are making wild claims about a person's character judging by a situation that happened in the past that isn't truly relevant to the policies or character of the person today. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;37500406]Maybe make it clear he doesn't approve of bullying? I'm just saying it would make him look better, and I haven't heard anything about his response.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling the campaign is trying to ignore it. Either way, it's a private matter. It really is not relevant to Romney today. You can say "Oh well obviously his position hasn't changed much during all this time." Great, you can make the claim that Romney is anti-gay or w/e with evidence from [I]today[/I], why do you need something from decades ago to support your point?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37500661]It objectively is. You are making wild claims about a person's character judging by a situation that happened in the past that isn't truly relevant to the policies or character of the person today.[/QUOTE] no that isnt accurate at all. romney shows the same character flaw today: not liking things that don't fit with his "traditional" worldview. he's clearly still incapable of accepting those that he sees as different. That and the fact that he actually assaulted someone when he was certainly old enough to know better holds much more weight than "well obama wants to ruin america because of whatever fallacious reason" [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;37500661]Great, you can make the claim that Romney is anti-gay or w/e with evidence from [I]today[/I], why do you need something from decades ago to support your point?[/QUOTE] because it still has relevance. i dont see why it isnt reasonable to use it as an argument against romney just because it happened a long time ago. what he did is assault and tormen someone, this isnt some conjecture that came from a guys ass