[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;39060240]But what if they port it to linux and not windows or mac, why should I have to familiarize myself with a new operating system just to play a PC game that I wont be able to play on windows or mac but only linux?[/QUOTE]
because Windows is the worst OS of all three. MS has been the biggest problem to PC gaming for years now. They really would prefer if we all went xbox and not PC gaming. Plus nVidia and ATi would optimize for linux, giving us more fps with no propriety DirectX holding us back. You cannot stop the future *deus ex jokes activate*
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39060166]but there are benefits to them joining PC gaming:
1. Linux support (no more need for Windows in the future if this were to happen)
2. Games for sure having a PC version. Think of the games PC misses out on, R* never ported Red Dead Redemption and never will for example[/QUOTE]
I would be the first to jump onto something like Uncharted being on the PC.
But Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony will never port over their games to PC, even with Microsoft's owning of Windows.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39060258]Linux support is really great, chances are Valve will force developers to have keyboard and mouse support implemented in all games (like how MS forces achievement support and much more on xbox) so they'd run fine on Ubuntu and similar distros[/QUOTE]
It would be possible to run them, yes, but it would be pointless. If they create a console for people that want an alternative to PC they're not going to put PC adapted software in it.
[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
woop, 700th post
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39060283]because Windows is the worst OS of all three. MS has been the biggest problem to PC gaming for years now. They really would prefer if we all went xbox and not PC gaming. Plus nVidia and ATi would optimize for linux, giving us more fps with no propriety DirectX holding us back. You cannot stop the future *deus ex jokes activate*[/QUOTE]
Yeah but there are too many issues with Linux usability for basic users.
[QUOTE=Swilly;39060302]I would be the first to jump onto something like Uncharted being on the PC.
But Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony will never port over their games to PC, even with Microsoft's owning of Windows.[/QUOTE]
Allot of people, myself included, don't care for the (relatively) few games made by 1st parties. I already have an enormous video game backlog as it is, I don't need more. It's not like I'd spend $200+ on a plastic box just to play (more like buy) a few exclusives. I just don't got time for that
I guess there is room for more consoles on the market, but I can't see this becoming particularly big.
[QUOTE=Swilly;39060312]Yeah but there are too many issues with Linux usability for basic users.[/QUOTE]
Which I doubt will be present in Valve's premade Steambox thing running an easier UI and controlled updates. You don't see people saying android is hard to use
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39060329]Allot of people, myself included, don't care for the (relatively) few games made by 1st parties. I already have an enormous video game backlog as it is, I don't need more. It's not like I'd spend $200+ on a plastic box just to play (more like buy) a few exclusives. I just don't got time for that[/QUOTE]
I care because a lot of the time the First parties are the ones that take shit loads of chances, we've already seen gaming publishers playing it safe at the best of times.
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39060338]Which I doubt will be present in Valve's premade Steambox thing running an easier UI and controlled updates. You don't see people saying android is hard to use[/QUOTE]
Its fucking steam, do you want me to link you to the issues forum on the Steam Forum where steam just up and explodes on users?
I hope they release their Linux platform for PC. I might even pay for it if it proves better than Windows.
[QUOTE=Swilly;39060341]
Its fucking steam, do you want me to link you to the issues forum on the Steam Forum where steam just up and explodes on users?[/QUOTE]
do you really think Valve would spend all these millions and do all this advertising and ship a buggy client? They will improve it. Look how they added Big Picture, and have been having beta updates every week. They probably won't get the Steambox out until 2014 (screw the non-Valve sources). They haven't even formally announced the Steambox yet.
[QUOTE=Swilly;39060341]
Its fucking steam, do you want me to link you to the issues forum on the Steam Forum where steam just up and explodes on users?[/QUOTE]
While Steam (to my experience) is a clunky, sluggish application there's nothing wrong or unintuitive about its UI.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39060397]do you really think Valve would spend all these millions and do all this advertising and ship a buggy client? They will improve it. Look how they added Big Picture, and have been having beta updates every week. They probably won't get the Steambox out until 2014 (screw the non-Valve sources). They haven't even formally announced the Steambox yet.[/QUOTE]
And I'm not going to support it because its not going to be like a PC, its a console. A closed off one at that which I think everyone forgets which means eventually it will start holding back companies and soon as either Gabe Newell retires or Dies, I'm betting all 167.38 dollars in my savings the Valve will change.
And investing millions into a program that still has 5 year old issues that been done away with in those 5 years means jackshit.
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=demoguy08;39060400]While Steam (to my experience) is a clunky, sluggish application there's nothing wrong or unintuitive about its UI.[/QUOTE]
Its not about the UI when the thing just breaks on you.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39060094]for the billionth time it's made for console gamers who often refuse to play a game if it's on PC, even if it's from the 90's and/or easier to run than Firefox. There are people who think the concept of playing a game on PC is like killing a puppy[/QUOTE]
And why would they won't to use this? Anyone who hates PCs that much will probably never even hear of this.
[QUOTE=Swilly;39060425]Its not about the UI when the thing just breaks on you.[/QUOTE]
Steam on Windows at the moment has to deal with 3 OSes - XP through 7 - tons of different drivers, processors, video cards, etc. With a steam box, they know exactly what they're running on and exactly how the thing works. No incompatibility.
I see so much potential in this console. Valve will most likely do what they did with Portal 2 on PS3 and let you play the game on both PC and PS3. So all your games that are compatible with Linux will be able to be played for free on the SteamBox.
Steam workshop will probably also available which means modding for the console. Maps, models, textures, animations, sounds all that like on the PC, and maybe, just maybe they will have the ability to run HL2 mods?
[QUOTE=Swilly;39060425]And I'm not going to support it because its not going to be like a PC, its a console. A closed off one at that which I think everyone forgets which means eventually it will start holding back companies and soon as either Gabe Newell retires or Dies, I'm betting all 167.38 dollars in my savings the Valve will change.[/QUOTE]
Gabe is immortal, and he will never retire.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;39060546]Steam on Windows at the moment has to deal with 3 OSes - XP through 7 - tons of different drivers, processors, video cards, etc. With a steam box, they know exactly what they're running on and exactly how the thing works. No incompatibility.[/QUOTE]
And Mac and now Linux.
That shouldn't mean I have to [B]NUKE AND PAVE MY HARDDRIVE[/B] to get Steam working which I've had to do on 5 seperate occasions with 3 computers.
Might pick this up when it's out. (Just so you know it's so i can play steam games elsewhere besides my room).
[QUOTE=Swilly;39060582]And Mac and now Linux.
That shouldn't mean I have to [B]NUKE AND PAVE MY HARDDRIVE[/B] to get Steam working which I've had to do on 5 seperate occasions with 3 computers.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you've fucked up your computer but the only problems I've had with it are slowness and occasional freezing for a sec.
Half-Life 3, only on steam box.
[QUOTE=Matt-;39059984]I don't understand why you're saying Linux is a bad idea, developers already go out of the way for other consoles why can't you just think of it as another console? Also Microsoft would probably disagree to shipping Windows on these, even if they did that would bump the price up by at least £60. Besides making games for it is pretty much going to be a mix up of taking the PS3 renderer of the games ( since they use OpenGL ) and putting that on the PC. ( I know that's very oversimplified but it's pretty much that simple. )[/QUOTE]
No it's not.
Porting a game isn't a case of "lol take this and put it on pc simple xd". The PS3's graphics implementation isn't [i]exactly[/i] OpenGL either - it's [i]derived[/i] from OpenGL ES (which while similar has some pretty radical differences) and version 1.0 at that, which apparently doesn't even allow programmable shaders. There's a bunch of hardware-specific extensions, and on top of that, plenty of games don't use Sony's PSGL much and opt for their own implementations due to the fixed hardware.
Anyway, if the "Steam Box" was essentially a boxed x86 machine, there's no reason that Windows couldn't be installed. Microsoft can't just refuse to allow it on compatible machines they don't approve of - when was the last time you heard of Microsoft refusing to allow Windows on Macs?
I think the idea of a Valve console is a pretty piss poor idea - I hope they prove me wrong, but I'm dubious so far. I'm confident that Valve can greatly enhance the adoption of Linux support in games though - they did a fine job with Mac support, and porting things from Mac to Linux is much easier due to having much more software dependencies in common (ie OpenGL).
I imagine it's going to be rough getting them out there as a brand for a while.
But the whole [quote] Should be a more "open" gaming platform than the PlayStation or X-Box while being more friendly towards game developers/studios looking to distribute their titles over the wire with Steam. [/quote]
Could end up working to be a great advantage with great exclusives and marketing.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;39060442]And why would they won't to use this? Anyone who hates PCs that much will probably never even hear of this.[/QUOTE]
it will be marketed as a console
[QUOTE=supersnail11;39060779]I don't know how you've fucked up your computer but the only problems I've had with it are slowness and occasional freezing for a sec.[/QUOTE]
Its never been my OS, its always been steam. The times I nuke and pave are either during hardware upgrades, when I'm putting a new Linux Distro on or when Steam Fucks up.
[QUOTE=Swilly;39061257]Its never been my OS, its always been steam. The times I nuke and pave are either during hardware upgrades, when I'm putting a new Linux Distro on or when Steam Fucks up.[/QUOTE]
Steam doesn't kill your computer. I don't know how you've fucked up, but you've done it somehow.
Regardless of that, there won't be nearly as many problems with Steam when they know exactly what the hardware will be.
It seems like half the people in here seriously expect valve to just make a small system box, toss in linux and thats that. They'll obviously be developing some form of GUI and optimizing their games for use with controllers, as well as coercing the various publishers they use to do the same.
lol all they got to do is promise that the steam "box" (its not gonna be named that) will ship with a third instalment of some popular valve game, then they are garenteed to sell between 1/4 to all of their player base (assuming all steam players love at least portal 2, or tf2, or l4d2, or hl2)
as it stands, i succesfully got my brother to switch from playing skyrim on the xbox to playing it on his pc (hes got a gaming pc and he actually prefers the xbox), using the steam big screen mode, and now they are supporting linux it seems like steam itself is ready for a box, just the hardware needs to be hammered out (lets call it the steam hammerbox!)
Linux? Yuck. I really don't understand why they are choosing a platform with zero compatibility with older games. Perhaps they want to build a custom distro that locks out every other game and program so they have complete control over the platform (which is funny because they are bitching at MS for doing the same fucking thing).
[QUOTE=Swilly;39061257]Its never been my OS, its always been steam. The times I nuke and pave are either during hardware upgrades, when I'm putting a new Linux Distro on or when Steam Fucks up.[/QUOTE]
it's your computer dude
I've done everything from replacing all of the hardware except the hdd and bothering with incompatibilities later to installing gentoo
only issue I've ever had with steam was slowness, maybe a little confusion with the 'retry connection' button, but never had to "nuke and pave" to get it to work
[sp]okay maybe it hates my 2004 ghettobook but that's probably an xorg thing[/sp]
VALVe needs to make their own version of Linux and release it for free through STEAM to PCs.
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