[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;39059509]Unless Valve can get some big developers on board, I don't see a steam console taking off. Sure, many games are already available for Linux, but there are not the big names that are needed for a console launch.[/QUOTE]
The steambox is a pc with steam pre-installed.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;39065540]With the next-gen consoles being announced at this years E3, I wonder how the SteamBox will compete with them. Other than Valve's own (currently being internally tested) controllers they will have to have something special, and Steam won't cut it.
I'm all for the SteamBox though. Pretty sure this is why they pushed Steam for Linux so fast, to get a headstart on getting more [url=http://cdr.xpaw.ru/linux/]Linux supported games[/url] out there.
The list is quite small currently but keeps growing rapidly as more developers put their games on Steam for Linux.
By the time the SteamBox is released I expect most (if not all) source based games will have been ported to Linux, giving it atleast a nice starting catalog of games (that you might already own on the PC).
Though that last point is important here, you won't have to re-buy the games that you already own on Steam, as support gets added the games will just start appearing in the Big Picture mode UI used on the SteamBox as they do now in Steam for Linux (or Mac). This is a major plus over other consoles.
Not to mention the fact [b]it runs Linux[/b], it'll be a box that you buy, and hack into if you want to.
I'm getting one for sure if I can get XBMC to run on it properly.[/QUOTE]
As I'm sure you are aware, but for the benefit of others; there's already [url=http://steamlinux.flibitijibibo.com/#03_nosteam.txt]quite a bunch[/url] of games already on Linux. If Valve could get some bigger AAA titles on the list on Steam then I'm sure it'll have a good shot at the others.
The only issue I'd have is that it wouldn't have anything like Netflix on it, unless of course Netflix pulled their finger out and got it in there (Since it already works with chromebooks I imagine there's not a lot of work to be done there).
Anyone have an image of what the steam box will look like
[QUOTE=Civil;39065546]The steambox is a pc with steam pre-installed.[/QUOTE]
Apart from it runs Linux, which means developers will still have to port their games to Linux..
[QUOTE=Matt-;39065584]Apart from it runs Linux, which means developers will still have to port their games to Linux..[/QUOTE]
Or hire one guy to port it, which seems to be the trend.
[QUOTE=danharibo;39065590]Or hire one guy to port it, which seems to be the trend.[/QUOTE]
There are quite a few contractors who will do it very very well, usually easier and cheaper for game companies since these people already know their shit and can do it fairly quickly. Some of these are getting a lot of Linux porting work recently too. ;)
[QUOTE=danharibo;39065572]As I'm sure you are aware, but for the benefit of others; there's already [url=http://steamlinux.flibitijibibo.com/#03_nosteam.txt]quite a bunch[/url] of games already on Linux. If Valve could get some bigger AAA titles on the list on Steam then I'm sure it'll have a good shot at the others.
The only issue I'd have is that it wouldn't have anything like Netflix on it, unless of course Netflix pulled their finger out and got it in there (Since it already works with chromebooks I imagine there's not a lot of work to be done there).[/QUOTE]
I hope this is where Steam Software comes in. XMBC/Netflix as installable app on Steam? Yes please. :v:
[QUOTE=danharibo;39065590]Or hire one guy to port it, which seems to be the trend.[/QUOTE]
Better than lazy wine packages
[QUOTE=Swebonny;39059664]Sooooooooooo, will it be bundled with some exclusive Valve game?[/QUOTE]
You'll get an exclusive Team Fortress 2 hat!
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39065631]Better than lazy wine packages[/QUOTE]
I hope Valve set up wine packages for developers unwilling to port to Linux, also for the classic games too.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;39060546]Steam on Windows at the moment has to deal with 3 OSes - XP through 7 - tons of different drivers, processors, video cards, etc. With a steam box, they know exactly what they're running on and exactly how the thing works. No incompatibility.[/QUOTE]
Even with controlled updates, there's no saying what can and can't break. Just look at the home consoles, they have broken in spectacular fashions over their lives. The PS3 forgot what a leap year is for gods sake. It's likely that, at some point, for some strange reason, this is just as likely to fail. It's not going to be some flawless god machine.
AtheneWins's Reese makes some good points in this video. Some of it might be too ambitious but they do indeed have the perfect experimenting platform for doing such things now.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox1Jowwukp4[/media]
I feel like they've missed an opportunity by not calling it the Steam Engine.
I don't see it working but hey, I'm not the multi-national business that hires economists and other experts and has large board meetings with them to discuss whether a product would be successful or not.
Also some more to back up Linux as a gaming platform, Unity and Unreal Engine 3 can both be used on Linux.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;39069901]I feel like they've missed an opportunity by not calling it the Steam Engine.[/QUOTE]
I'm personally a fan of "the GabeCube."
[QUOTE=teh pirate;39069901]I feel like they've missed an opportunity by not calling it the Steam Engine.[/QUOTE]
Maybe that's because that's what they call there servers?
[QUOTE=smileykiller447;39070148]Maybe that's because that's what they call there servers?[/QUOTE]
Valve hasn't named anything with 'Steam Engine'. I think you're referring to Steam Pipe.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;39063260]All modern consoles have launched with an adequate selections of games, that were developed alongside console development. Valve will have a hard time getting people other than indies and themselves on board at first. EA probably won't touch it because of the competition of Steam and Origin. (If it get's big, they will later.) Valve will probably need to promise developers results as the average consumer will go to platforms with many exclusives, and strong brand names: Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. On release (I'm guessing 2013/2014) Explaining why you should by the Steam box over the new XBox and new Playstation models is going to be a hard to explain to the regular consumer.[/QUOTE]
then how did Xbox get into the market if it was a new console that was not existing prior? How did Sony with the PS1? Valve will just do the same thing those other two did. It's not like another firm getting into the console market is impossible suddenly
people are just freaking out over the word "Linux" being used, and are saying stuff no one would ever have said about xbox or playstation or any other new console.
[QUOTE=Foda;39061990]Linux? Yuck. I really don't understand why they are choosing a platform with zero compatibility with older games. Perhaps they want to build a custom distro that locks out every other game and program so they have complete control over the platform (which is funny because they are bitching at MS for doing the same fucking thing).[/QUOTE]
Maybe its because its lesser known than windows, and no companies have ever really tried large scale marketing for programs compatible with it until recently?
Valve entering the "console" market early this decade as a new console manufacturer, just like microsoft did almost 10 years ago as well with the xbox
So who's gonna become the next dreamcast then?
[QUOTE=KorJax_alt;39075526]Valve entering the "console" market early this decade as a new console manufacturer, just like microsoft did almost 10 years ago as well with the xbox
So who's gonna become the next dreamcast then?[/QUOTE]
Sony is in dire financial straits.
I'm just wondering if their OS will be even stable, Steam isn't really THAT much of a complex program, yet it still becomes unstable.
However, if a good amount of developers are cool with their games on Linux, Windows can kiss my ass goodbye, the only reason I stay on Windows is because I can't play my STEAM library on Linux, but if that's going to change...
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39075654]Sony is in dire financial straits.[/QUOTE]
Which would be sad if they went. Despite shitty support lately, you can't say the games that have come out on their consoles over the years haven't been good. The Uncharted series, Tokyo Jungle, quite a lot of the Shin Megami Tensei games, and much, much more.
I don't care a single bit about Valve doing hardware right now. Not a single bit. Just make Half-Life 2: Episode Three already; I'm getting sick of Valve over time for leaving us in the dark on this one major episode. I almost don't even care about anything else they do now.
[QUOTE=amcfaggot;39076293]I don't care a single bit about Valve doing hardware right now. Not a single bit. Just make Half-Life 2: Episode Three already; I'm getting sick of Valve over time for leaving us in the dark on this one major episode. I almost don't even care about anything else they do now.[/QUOTE]
What if they release Half-Life 3 but it turns out as a console exclusive (like if it hasn't been said enough in this thread already) and then you'll be sitting there even more bitter and sad
[QUOTE=amcfaggot;39076293]I don't care a single bit about Valve doing hardware right now. Not a single bit. Just make Half-Life 2: Episode Three already; I'm getting sick of Valve over time for leaving us in the dark on this one major episode. I almost don't even care about anything else they do now.[/QUOTE]
I personally don't think we're gonna see HL3 for a while. The game is going to have to live up to the expectations of literally millions of Half-Life fans that have accumulated over time, as well as thousands of game critics and reviewers. If I were a dev at Valve I wouldn't even know where to start with it. At the moment I think that Valve is just waiting for the right time to start true development on the game. Maybe HL3 is just so ambitious that the technology isn't there yet, or maybe Valve are just too afraid they'll set everyone up for disappointment.
As soon as we get one single official piece of news of HL3 it'll be all over every gaming website in the world. We've already seen it happen multiple times with fake interviews and such with games that aren't even half as popular. The spotlight instantly turns toward the company and anything said by anyone at or near Valve is news. Just the thought of it all is probably frightening for any company.
[QUOTE=amcfaggot;39076293]I don't care a single bit about Valve doing hardware right now. Not a single bit. Just make Half-Life 2: Episode Three already; I'm getting sick of Valve over time for leaving us in the dark on this one major episode. I almost don't even care about anything else they do now.[/QUOTE]
If they mop up the mess that calls itself "consoles" then I'm happy with not getting HL3 for a while, especially if it means they deliver something that looks like Portal 2 did.
If they could just make Counter-Strike: Source better, then I'd be happy with not getting Episode Three for a while.
If they could just release a sequel to Counter-Strike: Source, then I'd be happy with not getting Episode Three for a while.
If they could just release some source code for an in-house mod, then I'd be happy with not getting Episode Three for a while.
If they could just update the Source SDK for once in a few years, but maybe ignore everyone except hat makers, then I'd be happy with not getting Episode Three for a while.
If they could just polish Dota 2 and overtake the ARTS market, then I'd be happy with not getting Episode Three for a while.
If they could just make it easier to use Steam on my TV, then I'd be happy with not getting Episode Three for a while.
I have a feeling this will be a flop.
With xbox and ps3 already as household names, I don't think it's very possible for Steambox to overtake them, much less so since almost all major AAA developers still develop and will continue to develop for xbox/ps3/windows, and from their standpoint, I think that investing time into developing for linux for a console not nearly as well known as xbox or ps3 isn't worth it.
I can see it appealing to indie devs and maybe one or two major studios, but other than that, I don't think this will work out.
that is, unless the next-gen consoles flop extremely hard.
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