Is US patents worldwide effective, or is it just inside of US borders? Does Finnish patents have any effect on US borders aswell, I like to know this.
[QUOTE=Careld;33947373]Is US patents worldwide effective, or is it just inside of US borders? Does Finnish patents have any effect on US borders aswell, I like to know this.[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. Look at all the shit from China
Apple can die, it was perfect back in 2000. I enjoyed having a Apple iBook Clamshell, and used it. Now I want to burn it, fuck everything about that company.
Right, let's hate on Apple instead of the idiots that allowed this to become patented.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;33947613]Right, let's hate on Apple instead of the idiots that allowed this to become patented.[/QUOTE]
This pretty much. While it's not very ethical for Apple to be exploiting the patent system like this, the real problem is that it even CAN be exploited like this. When you can patent something like a "smartphone with rounded edges and a flat surface" there's something really fucking wrong.
I don't see what the problem is, this is quite an in-depth innovative and detailed method of measuring and dealing with multi touch devices.
It's not like they just drew a diagram of a stickman touching a screen and put 'lol this is touchscreen and its our patent lol!' there's some detailed shit to do with how pressure or w/e is calculated inside the device.
There should be no problem, unless of course, HTC and who-ever copied the methods to-the-book, which it looks like they may well have done (proving that they did also directly copy Apple's devices...)
In defense of Apple, they are just using the tools they are given.
Not that i agree that those tools should be around..
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950032]I don't see what the problem is, this is quite an in-depth innovative and detailed method of measuring and dealing with multi touch devices.
It's not like they just drew a diagram of a stickman touching a screen and put 'lol this is touchscreen and its our patent lol!' there's some detailed shit to do with how pressure or w/e is calculated inside the device.
There should be no problem, unless of course, HTC and who-ever copied the methods to-the-book, which it looks like they may well have done (proving that they did also directly copy Apple's devices...)[/QUOTE]
Every handset maker uses patents, but whenever Apple does it it's evil and whenever Samsung or Google decides to 'patent troll' other companies they're treated like saviors of the industry.
Plus there are some detailed diagrams in this patent, it's not like Apple made a broad patent covering all multi-touch devices. It's only manufacturers that copied Apple's specific design plans that have to be worried.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;33946174]The war between Apple and Samsung is funny, it just doesn't feel right. You'd think that businesses getting into a dispute over patents would only want to have their patents protected and respected, but here it's almost like they are only out to destroy each other.[/QUOTE]
That's because they are. What you have to understand is literally every Android device is threatened by the actions Apple is taking against HTC, Samsung, etc. Steve Jobs has actually said that [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/21/steve-jobs-destroy-android"]"[U][/U]I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40bn in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told Isaacson. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."[/URL] Far as I'm concerned, I'm glad he's dead. What a fucking tool.
[QUOTE=Frederick;33946198]If Samsung released a revolutionary technology with a bunch of patented innovations, and then Apple released something extremely similar infringing on said patents, I think Facepunch would still be saying fuck Apple.[/QUOTE]
Don't you see that's what patents try to solve! But patenting multitouch? A thing that is already on tons of devices is different and abusing the patent system, and shouldn't be allowed.
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[QUOTE=DamagePoint;33950348]Every handset maker uses patents, but whenever Apple does it it's evil and whenever Samsung or Google decides to 'patent troll' other companies they're treated like saviors of the industry.
Plus there are some detailed diagrams in this patent, it's not like Apple made a broad patent covering all multi-touch devices. It's only manufacturers that copied Apple's specific design plans that have to be worried.[/QUOTE]
[b]HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU PATENT SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE IS ALREADY USING[/b]
Apple is Nikola Tesla.
Google is Thomas Edison.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33950646]That's because they are. What you have to understand is literally every Android device is threatened by the actions Apple is taking against HTC, Samsung, etc. Steve Jobs has actually said that [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/21/steve-jobs-destroy-android"]"[U][/U]I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40bn in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told Isaacson. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."[/URL] Far as I'm concerned, I'm glad he's dead. What a fucking tool.[/QUOTE]
He believed Android was stolen tech as Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board, saw the iPhone before it was announced (so circa 2006), and went back to Google and said Holy shit we need to get in on this. Then followed Android's evolution as a Blackberry rip off to iPhone rip off. You can disagree with the way Apple are trying to hold Android back, but Android got a huge boost thanks to effectively insider Apple knowledge way back when.
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That's why Eric Schmidt didn't know about the iPad until it was announced. Steve Jobs refused to let him in on it since he thought he'd just go back and tell Google
Bug off you wankers
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[b]HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU PATENT SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE IS ALREADY USING[/b][/QUOTE]This x100. Patenting is meant to patent NEW tech that YOU invented and patented before releasing it. How can they patent something that is already used by everyone is beyond me.
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[b]HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU PATENT SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE IS ALREADY USING[/b][/QUOTE]
From reading the article it appears that this patent was filed in 2004, three years before multitouch smartphones hit the market.
Well luckily just because something is patented doesn't mean it will prevent other people from doing it.
I mean back in the 70s or 80s a guy basically patented video games but he lost every lawsuit. I hope the same thing would happen with Apple's ridiculous patents.
Patents should be a "hey i came up with this m8,cool eh" thingy, not a "OMG I MADE THIS U FAGET SUE SUE SUE"
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Because this shit is happening.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33951289]Well luckily just because something is patented doesn't mean it will prevent other people from doing it.
I mean back in the 70s or 80s a guy basically patented video games but he lost every lawsuit. I hope the same thing would happen with Apple's ridiculous patents.[/QUOTE]
Then what the fuck is the point of a patent if it doesn't hold? Only proves it more that patent office is fucked.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33951309]Then what the fuck is the point of a patent if it doesn't hold? Only proves it more that patent office is fucked.[/QUOTE]
If a patent is too general, it's pretty easy for people to find a way to talk their way around it in court.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33951118]This x100. Patenting is meant to patent NEW tech that YOU invented and patented before releasing it. How can they patent something that is already used by everyone is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I don't like where the patent system is going now.
Well if a company invents something they should be able to patent it.
Retrospective patenting, like here(if I didn't misunderstand) is completely retarded.
That'll teach those copycats!
Apple patenting features that should be standard issue for touch-screen smartphones again. Nothing new here.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950822]Apple is Nikola Tesla.
Google is Thomas Edison.[/QUOTE]
actually no, that's the exact opposite of the truth
Man I got a Kobo this christmas and my first thought when I opened it was "Oh thank god this isn't an ipad"
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33950929]He believed Android was stolen tech as Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board, saw the iPhone before it was announced (so circa 2006), and went back to Google and said Holy shit we need to get in on this. Then followed Android's evolution as a Blackberry rip off to iPhone rip off. You can disagree with the way Apple are trying to hold Android back, but Android got a huge boost thanks to effectively insider Apple knowledge way back when.
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That's why Eric Schmidt didn't know about the iPad until it was announced. Steve Jobs refused to let him in on it since he thought he'd just go back and tell Google[/QUOTE]
There is a big difference between knowing your competition and literally stealing the system and mechanics they use to operate.
Also, this coming from Steve Jobs is one of the purest examples of irony ever. Apple wouldn't exist today if it weren't for its initial theft of the Xerox OS. Even the current Mac OS is just a fancy looking (and more constrictive) Unix build. Apple doesn't innovate, it appropriates. Again, HUGE difference.
On that note I'm not even going to pretend Android is innovative either. It largely isn't. What it is, however, is open, and that's the real battle here: Android's "openness" as opposed to Apple's closed system. This is about control, both of the market and the end user, and Apple doesn't intend to lose... but how can you win when the rest of the world has adopted the more open OS? These patent strikes by Apple are an act of desparation.
Again, fuck Apple. You do NOT own the right to be the sole smartphone manufacturer on the face of the planet. The US patent office needs to stop giving Apple clubs to beat other people out of the market with. Let the goddamn consumers decide.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950032]I don't see what the problem is, this is quite an in-depth innovative and detailed method of measuring and dealing with multi touch devices.
It's not like they just drew a diagram of a stickman touching a screen and put 'lol this is touchscreen and its our patent lol!' there's some detailed shit to do with how pressure or w/e is calculated inside the device.
There should be no problem, unless of course, HTC and who-ever copied the methods to-the-book, which it looks like they may well have done (proving that they did also directly copy Apple's devices...)[/QUOTE]
lol, This is actually exactly what other people were talking about earlier. Everyone take note.
Notice how he thinks it's innovative, when in fact, it's not. It's been around for quite a while, but apple realized that if they patent it, it will stifle competition.
Also take note as to how he thinks apple made it, when, again, it's been around. They used it, they didn't make it.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this post is a blatant example of apple fanboyism. Regardless of how he tries to spin it, this is exactly what FP hates on. His ignorance is what pisses FP off. This post is a shining example of what not to post.
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