[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33950929]He believed Android was stolen tech as Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board, saw the iPhone before it was announced (so circa 2006), and went back to Google and said Holy shit we need to get in on this. Then followed Android's evolution as a Blackberry rip off to iPhone rip off. You can disagree with the way Apple are trying to hold Android back, but Android got a huge boost thanks to effectively insider Apple knowledge way back when.
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
That's why Eric Schmidt didn't know about the iPad until it was announced. Steve Jobs refused to let him in on it since he thought he'd just go back and tell Google[/QUOTE]
A pocket computer is a copying? Damn Apple better sue them PDA and PocketPC makers.
Honestly, what in the fuck has happened to prior art? I own a iPhone, but hate Apple for this and would get rid of my phone if it weren't for the fact I have a unlimited plan, but if I switch to Android, I lose it.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950822]Apple is Nikola Tesla.
Google is Thomas Edison.[/QUOTE]
More like the absolute vice versa of that?
This isn't legal
This isn't a feature, this is a technological advancement.
They did not help in its popularization, or its creation.
This is akin to if someone decided to patent GPU's, or light sensors- it simply isn't right.
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[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950822]Apple is Nikola Tesla.
Google is Thomas Edison.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're either really dumb or just happen to be turned around
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950822]Apple is Nikola Tesla.
Google is Thomas Edison.[/QUOTE]
Backwards yo, apple is the charismatic cool one while android is lame and praised by facepunch
[QUOTE=Lemonator;33962463]Backwards yo, apple is the charismatic cool one while android is lame and praised by facepunch[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/browser/iphone.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33962561][img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/browser/iphone.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Damn right
If every company would respect Apple's patents there wouldn't be any smartphones other than the iPhone and that would be a very bad scenario for every single customer out there.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;33962623]Damn right[/QUOTE]
Should i get the :Get out: frog gif ?
fuck apple
and apples
[QUOTE=Lemonator;33962623]Damn right[/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you're dumb
or if you're very dumb
Then suddenly Motorola patents mobile communication devices and sue the fuck out of apple.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;33961080]Again, fuck Apple. You do NOT own the right to be the sole smartphone manufacturer on the face of the planet. The US patent office needs to stop giving Apple clubs to beat other people out of the market with. Let the goddamn consumers decide.[/QUOTE]
Money is power, you should know that by now.
They don't give a shit as long as they get their money.
Besides, they can't pick sides.
I know I will sound like a total hipster now, but I liked Apple before it was popular (aka before the iPhone)...
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33960329]There is a big difference between knowing your competition and literally stealing the system and mechanics they use to operate.
Also, this coming from Steve Jobs is one of the purest examples of irony ever. Apple wouldn't exist today if it weren't for its initial theft of the Xerox OS. Even the current Mac OS is just a fancy looking (and more constrictive) Unix build. Apple doesn't innovate, it appropriates. Again, HUGE difference.
On that note I'm not even going to pretend Android is innovative either. It largely isn't. What it is, however, is open, and that's the real battle here: Android's "openness" as opposed to Apple's closed system. This is about control, both of the market and the end user, and Apple doesn't intend to lose... but how can you win when the rest of the world has adopted the more open OS? These patent strikes by Apple are an act of desparation.[/QUOTE]
Yes the classic theft of the "Xerox OS" by which I take it you mean the Xerox STAR stuff. The theft where Apple paid Xerox to have access and be able to use the technology they had developed at Parc, and which Apple went on to develop further (Apple invented drop down list boxes, the ctrl+c/v shortcut, actually having a proper mouse driven GUI instead of the STAR system to name a few). Ignoring this supposed theft anyway, you realise Apple sold computers before the Macintosh? And that the company was huge and making millions of dollars before the Mac? Apple was a big company (hence how they managed to finance the development such a revolutionary computer).
As for OS X being a fancy UNIX build, I'd say Apple did more than just build UNIX as you put it. For a start, they had to port the whole Mac OS API over to the Nextstep OS (An OS which the development of was overseen by Steve Jobs anyway). But I mean you are probably right anyway. It is of course a well known fact OS X has not had a single update in the 10 years it has been around. Apple just "built UNIX" in 2001 and left it. I mean likewise with the iPhone. Everyone was using a finger touch driven OS in 2007 where there was no stylus and the touchscreen was the only method of interaction. Apple just took everyone else's idea and made it work on their phone. Everyone saw the iPhone coming a mile off.
As for the last bit, I mean I don't want to accuse you of being a fool since you've been 100% correct so far, but I'd say off the top of my head that considering this patent was filed in 2004 (before Android even existed and Apple was selling this technology) I don't quite see how this patent is an act of control, when Apple applied for it before they had any users to control. But you know I bet Apple is really desperate given they are making 50% of the profit on the phone industry with their 5% market share while they sit on close to $70 billion in raw cash
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[QUOTE=The Baconator;33961993]A pocket computer is a copying? Damn Apple better sue them PDA and PocketPC makers.[/QUOTE]
There is a big difference between a PDA and the smartphone market post-iPhone.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950822]Apple is Nikola Tesla.
Google is Thomas Edison.[/QUOTE]
Other way round, sir.
Nikola Tesla is currently hailed as a unappreciated genius who got his career ruined by Edison.
Thomas Edison, however, is exactly like Apple. A tremendous dick who dedicated his time to ruining his competition's career, and screwing over everyone but him in an attempt to make as much money as possible.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33960329]Apple wouldn't exist today if it weren't for its initial theft of the Xerox OS.[/QUOTE]
How could they steal something that they paid for?
If you guys do not like it so much, someone make a petition on the Whitehouse petition site.
I swore you couldn't patent stuff that had already became an industrial default.
Anyways, what can't money do, huh?
Some people (not suprisingly people using a mac computer to post) think facepunch hates apple because its cool and edgy to hate something popular
We hate apple because they are trying to remove any competition from the market by patenting things already in use, such as hurr durr unlocking phone with finger and using a touch screen and using apps
No competition means no innovation, meaning we will be seeing the already stale iOS for years to come if they are allowed to do this
[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;33965711]Some people (not suprisingly people using a mac computer to post) think facepunch hates apple because its cool and edgy to hate something popular
We hate apple because they are trying to remove any competition from the market by patenting things already in use, such as hurr durr unlocking phone with finger and using a touch screen and using apps
No competition means no innovation, meaning we will be seeing the already stale iOS for years to come if they are allowed to do this[/QUOTE]
Please find me a multitouch touchscreen from 2004 or earlier.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;33962075]Honestly, what in the fuck has happened to prior art? I own a iPhone, but hate Apple for this and would get rid of my phone if it weren't for the fact I have a unlimited plan, but if I switch to Android, I lose it.[/QUOTE]
Who is your provider? If it is AT&T if you switch to Android you do not lose your unlimited plan. When you go in to upgrade, just tell them you do not wnat to lose your unlimited plan when switching phones. They are more than happy to switch the plan over since you are grandfathered in. I went from an unlimited Blackberry plan to an unlimited android plan just a few months ago.
Also. People trying to defend Apple. It is all fine and dandy when Apple is claiming patents on legitimate things. But they tried to say that Samsung Galaxy with rounded corners was too much like the iphone. YOU CAN'T PATENT ROUNDED FUCKING CORNERS. I have never seen a phone with perfect 90 degree to a point, that would stab you to death, corners...
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[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33965752]Please find me a multitouch touchscreen from 2004 or earlier.[/QUOTE]
Multi-touch technology began in 1982, when the University of Toronto's Input Research Group developed the first human-input multi-touch system. The system used a frosted-glass panel with a camera placed behind the glass. When a finger or several fingers pressed on the glass, the camera would detect the action as one or more black spots on an otherwise white background, allowing it to be registered as an input. Since the size of a dot was dependent on pressure (how hard the person was pressing on the glass), the system was somewhat pressure-sensitive as well.[2]
In 1983, Bell Labs at Murray Hill published a comprehensive discussion of touch-screen based interfaces.[6] In 1984, Bell Labs engineered a touch screen that could change images with more than one hand. In 1985, the University of Toronto group including Bill Buxton developed a multi-touch tablet that used capacitance rather than bulky camera-based optical sensing systems.[2]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch[/url]
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950032]I don't see what the problem is, this is quite an in-depth innovative and detailed method of measuring and dealing with multi touch devices.
It's not like they just drew a diagram of a stickman touching a screen and put 'lol this is touchscreen and its our patent lol!' there's some detailed shit to do with how pressure or w/e is calculated inside the device.
There should be no problem, unless of course, HTC and who-ever copied the methods to-the-book, which it looks like they may well have done (proving that they did also directly copy Apple's devices...)[/QUOTE]
this, how can you all not see that they havent patented ALL multi touch screens, just their own design and logic which is used in coordination in that
im all for competition and at the moment apple has a lot, they're not removing anything with these niche patents
[QUOTE=Glitchman;33947395]I don't think so. Look at all the shit from China[/QUOTE]
China doesn't give a shit about any nation's copyrights or patents, though. Ever see those new Hexbug Spiders? Design was stolen from a guy in Canada who was trying to find a manufacturer to make his toy idea into a reality. He eventually found one in the UK, but it's nowhere near done still and already the Spiders are for sale everywhere, and they're cheaply made to boot (the first one I saw in Radioshack had several of the legs disconnected just from shipping, shoddy engineering if I ever saw it).
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;33950822]Apple is Westinghouse.
Google is Nikola Tesla.[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for ya.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;33962463]Backwards yo, apple is the charismatic cool one while android is lame and praised by facepunch[/QUOTE]
Edison was anything but charismatic and cool.
[QUOTE=Reds;33964815]Other way round, sir.
Nikola Tesla is currently hailed as a unappreciated genius who got his career ruined by Edison.
Thomas Edison, however, is exactly like Apple. A tremendous dick who dedicated his time to ruining his competition's career, and screwing over everyone but him in an attempt to make as much money as possible.[/QUOTE]
It was actually Tesla's employer (Westinghouse) who destroyed Tesla when he discovered Tesla was working on "free electricity" that only required an antenna and a ground, which would've been very hard to put a meter on, and therefor it'd be hard (if not impossible) to make any money from it. Though Edison did step in at every opportunity to harass Tesla's progress with patent-trolling, an example being when Tesla first demonstrated AC current with a sort of fair. Edison said "HA! I own the patents to the screw-in light bulb, and refuse to let you use it!", so in response Tesla invented a bayonet-style light bulb.
Now we just wait until apple stops manufacturing phones, and ends up still holding onto the patents.
[QUOTE=Lemonator;33962463]Backwards yo, apple is the charismatic cool one while android is lame and praised by facepunch[/QUOTE]
Have you even fucking TRIED Android? You're oblivious to how Apple REALLY works and what they REALLY do, you tool.
I could cry right now. I hope someone would nuke Apple's headquarters.
Monopolies can go to hell.
[QUOTE=toaster468;33950693][b]HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU PATENT SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE IS ALREADY USING[/b][/QUOTE]
Ding ding ding!
I am going to follow Apple's example and patent being able to open doors with doorknobs. "I have a patent on that. I don't appreciate Kwikset blatantly copying my intellectual property. Buy the iKnob 4S today!"
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33964756]Ignoring this supposed theft anyway, you realise Apple sold computers before the Macintosh? And that the company was huge and making millions of dollars before the Mac? Apple was a big company (hence how they managed to finance the development such a revolutionary computer).[/QUOTE]
Really? If Apple was so successful, why was Microsoft ordered by the government to bail them out of trouble when the company nearly met its end producing shitty desktops? They made a few leaps in very early OS development after Xerox. They quickly fell behind IBM and Microsoft once they hit the GUI OS market. But hey, what am I talking about, an apple fanboy would never remember OS/2 and its separate kernal and management options. And yeah, Apple paid for the Xerox OS the same way Microsoft paid for DOS, and if you're going to sit there and tell me those purchases were totally legit, I'm going to have to laugh at you.
And don't kid yourself, iPhone hardware is a joke. It was the iOS and the Apple brand name that brought in customers, not some magical revolutionary hardware (which already existed).
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33964756]As for the last bit, I mean I don't want to accuse you of being a fool since you've been 100% correct so far, but I'd say off the top of my head that considering this patent was filed in 2004 (before Android even existed and Apple was selling this technology) I don't quite see how this patent is an act of control, when Apple applied for it before they had any users to control. But you know I bet Apple is really desperate given they are making 50% of the profit on the phone industry with their 5% market share while they sit on close to $70 billion in raw cash[/QUOTE]
Because Apple's profits are still growing at the old rates right? Nevermind the fact that every company producing Android phones has been rising steadily and Android has scooped up massive market share.
But obviously you're a genius. For this reason, I must ask you this: why would you support a company that exerts so much control over its users, especially when other equal or better competitors exist?
Can't blame them. Hardware alone means shit, someone has to make the software for it.
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