UK schools urged to fly the Union Flag and sing the national anthem in every assembly
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[QUOTE=macdoo999;44577944]Make the national anthem Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory and not some fucking dirge about how great the monarch is then we can talk.[/QUOTE]
Or:
[video=youtube;W7NxDOrt8wI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7NxDOrt8wI[/video]
I believe patriotism, national identity and international integration and peace can coexist. I think problems arise when appreciation becomes comparison and patriotism becomes nationalism.
I also believe in institutions and duty but more as a trade rather than as subservience (I think strong democratic public power is needed to counterbalance the growing private power).
Singing national anthems is a rare thing for me though.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;44578493]Or:
[video=youtube;W7NxDOrt8wI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7NxDOrt8wI[/video][/QUOTE]
or this...
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLph6ePNkGQ[/media]
[QUOTE=absolalone111;44577425]I like how he wants to take the flag "back" from the far right, but is a tory mp.[/QUOTE]
How far left does one have to be in order to see the Conservatives as 'far-right'?
[QUOTE=Ylsid;44577977]thank you for calling it the Union Flag OP, it really grinds my gears when it's called the jack and isn't on a jackmast[/QUOTE]
something tells me this isn't even a joke
[QUOTE=Ylsid;44577977]thank you for calling it the Union Flag OP, it really grinds my gears when it's called the jack and isn't on a jackmast[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/british-flags/the-union-jack-or-the-union-flag/]Incorrect.[/url]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44577430]This is pretty normal in Australian schools
Not the Union Jack and the Royal Anthem, my primary and high school fly the flag along with singing the national anthem at the start of every Assembly[/QUOTE]
Is it actually that normal here? I never experienced the national anthem in school, definitely not for Assembly. The idea sounds so alien.
The flag is pretty normal though, it just seems like a sort of silent formality. I don't think anyone really cared about it.
This is a good idea to me, but it shouldn't happen every day, maybe like once a week or so. Here in the States, or at least my school, we said the pledge every morning, so no one really cared and it cheapened the message. Also, patriotism and nationalism does not have to equal nazis or genocide. Isolationist nationalism can be a thing, where you believe that your nation is awesome and want to keep to yourselves rather than bloodily expand your borders. At least, that is the nationalism I subscribe to. God Save the Queen.
I honestly thought this was just a standard thing is most western countries, didn't realize some don't do this.
In Canada every morning at school we'd stand for the national anthem, we did it at assemblies too. We were generally too lazy to sing it but in younger grades we did. French and English, burnt into my brain I can still sing it. Also there was usually a Canadian flag somewhere in the room.
Odd that some of you guys are so opposed to it, it isn't some evil nazi ritual...
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44578891]Nationalism is usually[I]irrational[/I] love for your country.
It doesn't belong anywhere. It breeds those "murrica!!!! no forgenenerssrs!!!" stereotypes.[/QUOTE]
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it."= Mark Twain
It is possible to love the land of your birth with great reverence and not wish to follow the orders of those in charge, who would lead you down a bad road of misery and crime.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44578891]Nationalism is usually[I]irrational[/I] love for your country.
It doesn't belong anywhere. It breeds those "murrica!!!! no forgenenerssrs!!!" stereotypes.[/QUOTE]
nationalism isn't really that, that's more like racism or xenophobia. nationalism is more about patriotism coupled with an emphasis on individualism and self-interest (which i think is pretty dumb in its own way, isolationism and true national self-sufficiency is done in the globalised world).
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44577400]In the US this is pretty much routine in elementary schools. We always did the pledge of allegiance before class starts.[/QUOTE]
This always seemed really cringe to me when I saw it in films, I didn't think it actually happened
[QUOTE=Aman;44578865]I honestly thought this was just a standard thing is most western countries, didn't realize some don't do this.
In Canada every morning at school we'd stand for the national anthem, we did it at assemblies too. We were generally too lazy to sing it but in younger grades we did. French and English, burnt into my brain I can still sing it. Also there was usually a Canadian flag somewhere in the room.
Odd that some of you guys are so opposed to it, it isn't some evil nazi ritual...[/QUOTE]
canadian here, never done that
I refuse to like my country because liking my country means forgetting all the awful shit it has done and is currently doing which I will never ever do. The same goes for pretty much every single country.
[QUOTE=Aman;44578865]Odd that some of you guys are so opposed to it, it isn't some evil nazi ritual...[/QUOTE]
Eww I'm agreeing with Aman but he's right. In the actual implementation of these rituals it's not forcing the six year olds to belt out Rule Britannia, it'll be a ten year old recording of the anthem played over the PA while bored teenagers stand up and try to avoid being seen looking at their phones
It's hardly fostering violent nationalism, as literally anyone who had to or is still going through with this will tell you it's completely ignored and utterly irrelevant to all but the extreme few who actually care
I'd oppose stuff like this less because it's going to turn British school children into Hitler 2.0 and more because it's a needless waste of classtime
Also, I'm pretty sure the tories are only saying this shit to win some UKIP votes.
***Making kids recite the Pledge of Allegiance is kinda different though, but it's America anyway so big whoop
[editline]18th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;44579172]canadian here, never done that[/QUOTE]
Gonna go out on a crazy limb here and say that Quebec might not be as eager to sing the Canadian national anthem as provinces like Nova Scotia or Ontario
Can't imagine why though!!
[QUOTE=ScoobyV2;44577448]In my opinion saying the pledge of allegiance to a country's anthem is harmless. And I'm for it.
This has nothing to do with radical nationalists, because I'm not for those.[/QUOTE]
In the US they have you pledge your absolute and undying allegiance to your country by will of divine enforcement.
Yes let's be patriotic for a country we had no choice of being born in.
No thanks. It still creeps the hell out of me how American school students are forced to recite the pledge of allegiance every day.
Ugh my school has to have everybody sing the National,State and School Anthem followed by the Pledge of Allegiance every week and it's a bloody waste of time I tell you.
[QUOTE=AK'z;44578538]or this...
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLph6ePNkGQ[/media][/QUOTE]
If that happened I wouldn't give a shit about politics, purely because my country would be awesome.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;44579172]canadian here, never done that[/QUOTE]
Southern Ontario here. I don't know about you maybe it differs by province.
Britain is too multi-cultural for this.
It'd probably piss off some radical muslim if he saw the flags flying at schools.
[QUOTE=Aman;44581610]Southern Ontario here. I don't know about you maybe it differs by province.[/QUOTE]
We did it in Toronto too, every morning from Kindergarten to Grade 12. We got taught the English in grade 1, the French in grade 4, and I find myself most of the time singing the anthem half in English and half in French when I do sing it.
Dunno if this has been mentioned here (probably has) but there's been a bit of a thing where muslims are trying to take over schools and force various things upon the kids. This is to try and alleviate that, I guess.
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;44581749]Dunno if this has been mentioned here (probably has) but there's been a bit of a thing where muslims are trying to take over schools and force various things upon the kids. This is to try and alleviate that, I guess.[/QUOTE]
Read more in the Saturday Edition of the Daily Mail
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;44581749]Dunno if this has been mentioned here (probably has) but there's been a bit of a thing where muslims are trying to take over schools and force various things upon the kids. This is to try and alleviate that, I guess.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah that 'plot' apparently in Brum.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44581768]Read more in the Saturday Edition of the Daily Mail[/QUOTE]
I dunno, a family friend was saying that the school her child went to had started having assemblies for boys and girls separately.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44581768]Read more in the Saturday Edition of the Daily Mail[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-27020970]Or the BBC.[/url]
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