Abandoned dog ecstatic to be reunited with owners at shelter - only for the family to choose another
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[QUOTE=MR-X;51455639]If easy for people to say just deal with it. But when you have an unmanageable dog due to various circumstances it sucks and sometimes the best thing to do is give the dog away. This is coming from a person that has always had a dog...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51455633]We had to get rid of a Labrador we had because she was practically joined at the hip with the golden retriever she was raised by, who eventually passed away at around 15-16 years of age. Our lab went absolutely nuts with grief, she needed someone with her all the time, if nobody was with her she literally ate holes in the fence and back door, we couldn't contain her anywhere. Both of my parents are teachers and all the kids were in college, so there was just no way to leave her home without worrying about her breaking out and getting into trouble.
Maybe this family was scummy, or maybe they just weren't equipped to deal with their dog's grief. I know we weren't. We had to give her away because we just couldn't take care of her anymore, as much as it fucking sucked.[/QUOTE]
Giving the dog away is taking responsibility. Losing it and then foregoing it just for a new one like it's a faulty car is not.
[editline]1st December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51455665]Source: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/07/27/why-dogs-chase-laser-beams-and-why-it-can-drive-them-nuts.html"]Fox News Tech[/URL]
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4o1007/til_bomb_and_drug_sniffing_dogs_will_eventually/d48pwvd/"]There's also this Reddit thread, starting with this post (yes it's an anecdote, but).[/URL] Worth noting that this one states it was likely a plainclothes officer, and not some random unsuspecting civvie, which is a lot more believable.
The first place I heard this from was the podcast run by the researchers for QI, [I][URL="http://qi.com/podcast"]No Such Thing As a Fish[/URL][/I], but I don't know which episode in the last nine or so months it's from, and they can get details wrong and sometimes just outright fuck up and don't vet sources properly.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I figured it'd be in like. A controlled situation where the person being planted is aware of it lol. Not just some random shmuck in an airport.
That's interesting though. Guess it's about on par with police dogs who have to have constant bite training to make sure they can still pursue/bite/release on command.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51455626]That's still kind of a far-fetched claim. I've never heard of people doing that on purpose unless it was a training situation where everything was controlled.[/QUOTE]
I've heard similar stories happening after 9/11, firefighters were burying themselves in rubble because the lack of survivors was making the dogs feel like they were failing
Nothing makes my blood boil quite like neglectful and/or abusive owners.
Dogs (and pet in general) are family and are to be treated as such instead of a fucking commodity.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51455591]Stupid question but can dogs feel grief at the death of another dog?[/QUOTE]
Cats, dogs, dolphins, elephants, crows, ravens, macaws, grey parrots, virtually every monkey known et al are all documented on camera showing grief.
[QUOTE=Fouytan222;51455673]Over the years I've returned a handful of lost and runaway dogs to their owners, and that moment of reunion where the dog is completely overwhelmed with happiness is always such a perfect and precious thing to witness.
The idea that after a reunion how someone, [i]anyone[/i] could reject not just any dog, but [i]their[/i] dog is so baffling and utterly heartbreaking to me. Does the family not realize how completely deplorable their actions are?
Every dog deserves a home, and I can only hope Zuzu finds a good one.[/QUOTE]
I get similar reactions from the cats people abandon near my home, only its when they realize they have a new home(mine) rather than the shitheads returning. I fucking hate that people are always dumping unwanted adolescent cats out in the country where I live...thankfully they all seem to handle it just fine and none ever get abandonment issues.
They do latch onto someone in my house, though, without fail. One of mine will literally cry and moan and [i]headbutt my bedroom door[/i] if he can't curl up on my chest, in my lap, or on my legs somewhere. You'd think from the ruckus he makes that he thought the world was ending, open the door, he goes to sleep on me. GG.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51455591]Stupid question but can dogs feel grief at the death of another dog?[/QUOTE]
My dog was visibly upset and wouldn't eat his entire meals for a while (I think this went on for a week and a half) after my neighbor's dog died. He would walk over and sit by the fence where they would hangout as if he was waiting for him to come back, and sometimes when I called him back inside he would cry/whine because his friend never showed up. My neighbor's dog was the only dog he was able to get along with.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51455341]caveat insertion GO
So basically the dog became unmanageable due to grief, and became incompatible with the family.[/QUOTE]
So? Do you dump your family members on the side of the road and say "good luck" when they are depressed?
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51455665]Source: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/07/27/why-dogs-chase-laser-beams-and-why-it-can-drive-them-nuts.html"]Fox News Tech[/URL]
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4o1007/til_bomb_and_drug_sniffing_dogs_will_eventually/d48pwvd/"]There's also this Reddit thread, starting with this post (yes it's an anecdote, but).[/URL] Worth noting that this one states it was likely a plainclothes officer, and not some random unsuspecting civvie, which is a lot more believable.
The first place I heard this from was the podcast run by the researchers for QI, [I][URL="http://qi.com/podcast"]No Such Thing As a Fish[/URL][/I], but I don't know which episode in the last nine or so months it's from, and they can get details wrong and sometimes just outright fuck up and don't vet sources properly.[/QUOTE]
Just to clarify, dogs are not typically trained with actual drugs, but rather scented oils applied to tennis balls. Drug dogs aren't looking for drugs, they're looking for their toy. When they find drugs in the field, their handler is supposed to give them a tennis ball, because they "found" it. It's all a game for them.
Source: girlfriend works with several professional service dog trainers, including drug dogs, police dogs, etc at a facility that not only trains dogs but trains new dog trainers. Anybody in the city wanting to become a service dog trainer goes through here.
[QUOTE=unrezt;51455849]So? Do you dump your family members on the side of the road and say "good luck" when they are depressed?[/QUOTE]
Unfortunitely, a lot of people would say 'it's just a dog' and that would be enough of an excuse to treat them like an object.
These heartless monsters don't deserve Zuzu. Hope that poor dog can find a family that appreciates her love.
[QUOTE=gt118;51455881]Unfortunitely, a lot of people would say 'it's just a dog' and that would be enough of an excuse to treat them like an object.[/QUOTE]
Shelters sure as hell wouldn't say that. I would be surprised if they are ever able to get another shelter dog. They do have blacklists, you know.
What literal pieces of shit.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51455867]Just to clarify, dogs are not typically trained with actual drugs, but rather scented oils applied to tennis balls. Drug dogs aren't looking for drugs, they're looking for their toy. When they find drugs in the field, their handler is supposed to give them a tennis ball, because they "found" it. It's all a game for them.
Source: girlfriend works with several professional service dog trainers, including drug dogs, police dogs, etc at a facility that not only trains dogs but trains new dog trainers. Anybody in the city wanting to become a service dog trainer goes through here.[/QUOTE]
Dad trains drug dogs for a living. Can confirm. The dogs are looking for a sent. Like you said, its a game. They find the thing, they get a reward, some play, and praise. It's [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning]classic conditioning.[/url] The dog doesn't care about the drugs. The dog cares about the toy in the handlers pocket, and pleasing the handler.
As for the training aids they can be anything. Think dads training aids were from this place: [url]http://scentlogix.com/s/[/url]
His last class was in Kazakhstan, so their primary concern was Heroin. He had to bring a bunch of bags with "HEROIN" written on them through an airport. Fun times. (they were in bags along with his orders being a dog training contractor). So if the dog goes through long periods of not getting a reward for something it's used to getting rewarded for, it's going to get distraught. This is why dog handlers continuously train with them, so that it reinforces the action>reward for the dog. Anyone who says their dog is disobedient and doesn't listen to them just doesn't know what they're doing. There are no bad dogs.
You can basically train a dog to find anything if you got it's scent.
[QUOTE=27X;51455770]Cats, dogs, dolphins, elephants, crows, ravens, macaws, grey parrots, virtually every monkey known et al are all documented on camera showing grief.[/QUOTE]
"Fun" fact: Monkeys are more sensitive to mental pain than humans
Truly disgusting. If you're willing to get a dog in your household, you should be willing to care for it. Dogs aren't toys that you can throw away after the cute puppy factor wears off.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51455591]Stupid question but can dogs feel grief at the death of another dog?[/QUOTE]
I've had a dog go full-on depressed to the point of not responding to anything after her pup died of a disease. Her initial grief was a thing of nightmares, a soul-wretching howl you'd think it was dying right there.
It would eat and lay there, waiting for the end to come, as if life lost all the meaning. No amount of love and cuddling brought it back. No longer would it bark at shit that wasn't there or all the other insanity brought by its old age.
Dogs are emotional beings, and most of their emotions translate very well into ours, one of the dogs I've rescued would always follow us around the house and constantly ask for attention when it noticed we were sad for whatever reason.
Our dog is sad because it loves one of us who died, better abandon it!
Fuck these people, this makes my blood boil.
A dog I rescued has never barked again ever since her pup mom died in a highway (where we found her).
It's playful with the other 2 dogs and the cat I have, but she just doesn't emit any sound.
Fuck these people, I seriously hope they get told to fuck off the next time they attempt to adopt.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51455416]
It's no different to having a child.
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I love animals but this isn't true at all, like it's not even in the same ballpark
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51456115]I love animals but this isn't true at all[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes it is.
[QUOTE=kaze4159;51455697]I've heard similar stories happening after 9/11, firefighters were burying themselves in rubble because the lack of survivors was making the dogs feel like they were failing[/QUOTE]
everyone is a winner doctrine applied to labour dogs.
thats just great.
That's fucked up
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51456115]I love animals but this isn't true at all, like it's not even in the same ballpark[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't it even be in the same ballpark, out of curiosity?
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51456164]everyone is a winner doctrine applied to labour dogs.
thats just great.[/QUOTE]
Well that conversation certainly took a turn.
What would you rather do? Sit down with the dog and calmly explain to them that it's not their fault? Let me know when you get that to work.
The dog deserves better than them. I'm super glad it's just getting adopted straight away by someone who will [I]hopefully[/I] be a much better owner.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51456115]I love animals but this isn't true at all, like it's not even in the same ballpark[/QUOTE]
How so? This is like abandoning a disabled child.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51456164]everyone is a winner doctrine applied to labour dogs.
thats just great.[/QUOTE]
Not everything is a conspiracy against rugged individualism
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51456164]everyone is a winner doctrine applied to labour dogs.
thats just great.[/QUOTE]
Not even the same thing.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51456304]Well that conversation certainly took a turn.
What would you rather do? Sit down with the dog and calmly explain to them that it's not their fault? Let me know when you get that to work.[/QUOTE]
I was trying to make a joke, sorry.
[editline]1st December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51456380]Not everything is a conspiracy against rugged individualism[/QUOTE]
really sorry, i was pretty sure it would have been entertaining
[editline]1st December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51456416]Not even the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I know, i said it for comedic value but it was bad it seems, i apologise.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51455341]caveat insertion GO
So basically the dog became unmanageable due to grief, and became incompatible with the family.[/QUOTE]
Oh no, work! We didn't know that dogs had feelings!
Seriously, work through it. My dog (a rescue) used to bark whenever a loud noise happened outside, sometimes going on for 15 minutes, she used to whine whenever it rained, as she had been abandoned on a road in the rain. But through training and perseverance we got her to stop this, the dog was obviously "better" and if they didn't want the baggage that came with adopting a dog, here's an idea. Don't get one. And they didn't even take the dog to dog's trust or the RSPCA, they just left it in a garden.
God, this article makes me so upset. I could never imagine passing up my li'l old Mimzy, she'd die of heartbreak and so would I.
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