Iphone 5 is noncompliant with EU charging standards

[Squad]

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37672251]Actually, the article is wrong. Apple kind of got a loophole to allow the iPhone 5 to be compliant.

[url]http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57512245-37/apple-to-sell-micro-usb-adapter-for-lightning-but-only-in-europe/[/url]

Get a better source next time.

Quite a bandwagon reunion this thread is, though. :)[/QUOTE]

But doesn't that defeat the purpose of why USB is the standard?

Create standard to reduce waste.

Apple creates different connector. Then creates adapter so the new connector can use another connector.

I mean, I understand they have a connector to allow USB but they are creating more waste by creating another piece of electronics?

[PvtCupcakes]

Maybe the eu should concentrate on standardizing their AC power connectors first. Namely choosing between German plugs, French plugs, or UK plugs. You could cut down on a lot more ewaste by not having 3 or 4 different wall plugs if you travel around the EU

[Zephyrs]

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37672251]Actually, the article is wrong. Apple kind of got a loophole to allow the iPhone 5 to be compliant.

[url]http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57512245-37/apple-to-sell-micro-usb-adapter-for-lightning-but-only-in-europe/[/url]

Get a better source next time.

Quite a bandwagon reunion this thread is, though. :)[/QUOTE]

Neat, though I'd still put this up there as pretty stupid. Quick google search doesn't turn up any other companies doing this, though I may just be searching in the wrong areas.

[GarrettFox]

Apple hold the patent for magnetic connectors. Why they continue to sit on it without using it, is beyond me.

A connector which can't break due to sheering force would be amazing. Apply force in the wrong direction? It just disconnects. No appreciable wear and tear on ei-ohhhhhhh

Dammit.

[PvtCupcakes]

[QUOTE=GunFox;37672300]Apple hold the patent for magnetic connectors. Why they continue to sit on it without using it, is beyond me.

A connector which can't break due to sheering force would be amazing. Apply force in the wrong direction? It just disconnects. No appreciable wear and tear on ei-ohhhhhhh

Dammit.[/QUOTE]

Magsafe dude. google that shit.

[McCarthy]

Oh, You all hate Apple? Wow, aren't you cool! Get over it. Some people like the products they produce, some don't. Stop bitching and complaining over what they do. Don't like the Charging cable? DOn't buy the fucking thing.

[JennyC6]

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;37671207]1st world problems[/QUOTE][QUOTE=thisispain;37671145]oh my god you poor soul[/QUOTE]

Smugness just makes you both look like asshats. It's actually really bloody annoying, especially since one of them almost always ends up hiding somewhere when you need it. I also don't have anywhere to store the second cable in my truck, glove box is full of roadside tools and I don't have a center console at all.

I hate the nonstandard connectors. If Apple wants a proprietary data port that's fine, but for the love of god at least let us charge through a microUSB. Or, fuck, include an adapter for the proprietary port that lets us charge through microUSB. It can't be that hard. kejbaeihjyih

[DamagePoint]

Why would Apple use an old standard when they can use something better?

I don't think most people realize that the dock connector does a lot more than just charging and USB.

[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]

Here's a good overview of what exactly the dock connector does and why Apple uses a proprietary connector instead of USB:

[url]http://www.cultofmac.com/178093/the-future-of-apples-dock-connector-feature/[/url]

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37672726]Why would Apple use an old standard when they can use something better?

I don't think most people realize that the dock connector does a lot more than just charging and USB.

[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]

Here's a good overview of what exactly the dock connector does and why Apple uses a proprietary connector instead of USB:

[url]http://www.cultofmac.com/178093/the-future-of-apples-dock-connector-feature/[/url][/QUOTE]

i've said this before in a previous thread. if the iphone was USB all peripherals would have to have complex computers that interface with USB. there's a lot more to the apple connectors than just computer interfacing.

though i wouldn't mind having an extra USB port on my phone

[Zephyrs]

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37672726]Why would Apple use an old standard when they can use something better?

I don't think most people realize that the dock connector does a lot more than just charging and USB.

[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]

Here's a good overview of what exactly the dock connector does and why Apple uses a proprietary connector instead of USB:

[URL]http://www.cultofmac.com/178093/the-future-of-apples-dock-connector-feature/[/URL][/QUOTE]

This article also states that the connector does not use all 30 pins for anything besides attaching to peripherals. The 30 pin connector is literally USB + extras.

Tell me. What is wrong with having the 30 pin connector along side a mini/micro usb plug for charging/data transfer. It's a few extra cents to manufacture, and it's not like space is a concern. All of the stuff can be squished onto the circuit board, and the cavity where the connector is has had considerable amounts of free space on every iPod I've attempted to repair. I can't speak to the space on the iphone, but I'd assume there is at least some there.

[DamagePoint]

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37672814]Tell me. What is wrong with having the 30 pin connector along side a mini/micro usb plug for charging/data transfer. It's a few extra cents to manufacture, and it's not like space is a concern. All of the stuff can be squished onto the circuit board, and the cavity where the connector is has had considerable amounts of free space on every iPod I've attempted to repair. I can't speak to the space on the iphone, but I'd assume there is at least some there.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing wrong with it but the only device I have that uses micro USB for charging is my Samsung Galaxy S. Why would Apple add an extra port that has less functionality when they can provide an adapter that will allow people who really want to charge their iPhone using micro USB?

I mean there's nothing wrong with adding an extra port but there is no real reason to have one either. If anything it would take away from the smooth, sleek look of the iPhone.

[Ogris]

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37672814]This article also states that the connector does not use all 30 pins for anything besides attaching to peripherals. The 30 pin connector is literally USB + extras.

Tell me. What is wrong with having the 30 pin connector along side a mini/micro usb plug for charging/data transfer. It's a few extra cents to manufacture, and it's not like space is a concern. All of the stuff can be squished onto the circuit board, and the cavity where the connector is has had considerable amounts of free space on every iPod I've attempted to repair. I can't speak to the space on the iphone, but I'd assume there is at least some there.[/QUOTE]

Apple likes their cash in the form of overcharging you to shit for everything.

[SCopE5000]

Micro USB sucks dicks and I have always hated it when things use it, in part due to it's fragility and instability.

To be honest, any company should be allowed to use whatever connector they wish, be it in-house or otherwise.

[editline]15th September 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Jsm;37671185]I really wish the EU would somehow make this enforceable. Every other mobile device manufacturer in the world abides by it, why apple doesn't is beyond me. Its so nice being able to charge / power all my devices (Like my Kindle, phone, tablet, Raspberry etc) from one cable sitting next to my PC. Much better than the previous shit with having to find the right cable for the right device. Even worse when the manufacturer decided to change on a regular basis (Nokia!!).[/QUOTE]

Well don't buy their fucking stuff then.

It doesn't sound like you do anyway so why does it matter to you what charger they use?

[Pardalis]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37672263]
And say in 5 years usb 4 comes out with another micro usb connector what then? There's no way you can just say in law that one connector is required because that one connector will evolve as specs change over time.[/QUOTE]

Who says they can't say "We agree on using this connector standard, and will meet again and choose the best time for the entire industry to upgrade everything to the next generation of that connector standard"
That's the way to keep electronic waste to a minimum and have the entire industry under a same standard while accounting for possible evolution.

[cbrain]

[QUOTE=TestECull;37671054]And this is why I don't like Apple. My mom has an iPhone 4, every other device in my household uses Android, and as a result we have to have two fucking car chargers on hand. It's annoying as hell.[/QUOTE]

wow two chargers shit man

[Digimutant]

"Thunder bolt and lightning! Very very frightening! "

[Pardalis]

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37672726]

[url]http://www.cultofmac.com/178093/the-future-of-apples-dock-connector-feature/[/url][/QUOTE]

I love that article. It's written by mac fans, for mac fans, and it spares nothing making that clear.
That said, I'm seeing that the extra pins used for all of the iDevice's magical extra functions could easily be split into two sections on either side of a normal USB connection that could drive power and main data. The 20-pin connection could have two notches making it about three equal thirds, nothing in their glorious form-over-function department would be lost, and you could charge your phone by simply plugging a microUSB to the middle hole.
Yet they didn't do anything like this, they didn't only remove a standard and introduce another but they still give a massive middle finger to regulations by using proprietary shit for no real reason. Just like Sony.

[Fetret]

While I completely agree with standardising chargers in all electronics, EU should first focus on having the same wall plug in all member countries. I'm sick of carrying adapters with me.

[Kljunas]

[QUOTE=Fetret;37673452]While I completely agree with standardising chargers in all electronics, EU should first focus on having the same wall plug in all member countries. I'm sick of carrying adapters with me.[/QUOTE]

It's a bit difficult to change all wall plugs like that, there would be two standards coexisting for years. And then EU people would need adapters to use older electronics in their own country. Just buy one of [URL="http://www.techknowspace.com/images/internationaladapter1.gif"]those[/URL] and there you go.

[pr00ch]

[QUOTE=koeniginator;37671017]To be fair, the ability to put in the connector either orientation is pretty fucking rad

apple at least deserves props for that[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but your first three words aren't exactly facepunch style.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37672097]the microusb law is stupid anyway. Are they going to update it in 10 years when something better comes along?
How long will a microusb replacement have to be around and how much marketshare will it need before the EU gives it the ok?

[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]

technology changes too much for standards to become law.[/QUOTE]

AFAIK when USB 3.0 host/OTG controllers becomes decent enough they'll progress from USB 2.0 till USB 3.0.

That should satisfy you, but it's all up to the SoC manufacturers to make chips with that built-in.

So if you wanna go [I]ABLOO BLOO BLOO[/I], then blame SoC manufacturers for not catching up fast enough.

[djjkxbox360]

I never liked the microusb connector, all the phones that I've seen use it have a loose fit. With some actually slipping out after being used for years. The iPhone one actually feels like it clicks in, and doesn't wiggle if you try to wiggle it. I'd imagine that'd increase the lifetime of the connector a lot

[RoboChimp]

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;37674452]UHHHHHH, you know their new connector is entirely digital, you need those "complex computers that interface with lightning" just to get audio out of it, it has NO analogue audio output.

[editline]15th September 2012[/editline]

And at most you add £1 to the price of the device, oh how horrible![/QUOTE]
Oh so now every docking device needs an DAC (digital to analogue converter), that's cool.

[Jookia]

I'm fine if Apple push their shitty cables on me. But they lied and said they'd use USB. Which is an asshole thing to do.

[C O Y O T E]

[QUOTE=Squad;37671741]It also means you pay $50 for a cable licensed by apple and it has shitty build quality. Or you can by a $10 generic "apple" connector that has even shittier build quality...

It is a lose/lose situation.[/QUOTE]

I bought one of those $10 "generic apple connectors" and sure as hell has been holding up better than the crap Apple gives you in the box.

[CommieTurtle]

I wish USB had a solid lock/clip mechanism on it like Apple's connectors. It's too easy for micro USB cables to end up pulling on the internal connector on the phone until the internal connector eventually doesn't work.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=CommieTurtle;37674742]I wish USB had a solid lock/clip mechanism on it like Apple's connectors. It's too easy for micro USB cables to end up pulling on the internal connector on the phone until the internal connector eventually doesn't work.[/QUOTE]

Weird, I bought a Belkin Micro-usb cable, and I can practically use my phone as a yo-yo with that.
The original HTC cable were a bit loose though, but nothing serious.

Gotta agree on the whole [I]"I CAN'T PLUG IT IN!! oh it was just upside down"[/I] thing though.
Reminds me too much of the hassle with SCART, even though that also was a great concept that was poorly executed.

[Squad]

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37672726]Why would Apple use an old standard when they can use something better?

I don't think most people realize that the dock connector does a lot more than just charging and USB.

[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]

Here's a good overview of what exactly the dock connector does and why Apple uses a proprietary connector instead of USB:

[url]http://www.cultofmac.com/178093/the-future-of-apples-dock-connector-feature/[/url][/QUOTE]

And this is why I am not a "bandwagon" apple hate person...

I have hated them for a while for very specific reasons.

If apple REALLY wanted to be considered a great and innovative company instead of creating a brand new port that only they can use they should have worked with USB and help design a port that does everything they want it to while still allowing USB to remain the standard for every device.

Every device could now use this standard.

Why would this make apple a revolutionary and innovative company? Because they would be advancing technology for the good of the entire population and allowing the world to be better connected.

Right now they are basically hindering connectivity. I have had people want to transfer data or charge their apple product and all I could say was, "Sorry I only have USB". With a uniform connector no matter what device you have or where you are, you can connect and share.

[Zephyrs]

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37673017]There's nothing wrong with it but the only device I have that uses micro USB for charging is my Samsung Galaxy S. Why would Apple add an extra port that has less functionality when they can provide an adapter that will allow people who really want to charge their iPhone using micro USB?

I mean there's nothing wrong with adding an extra port but there is no real reason to have one either. If anything it would take away from the smooth, sleek look of the iPhone.[/QUOTE]

You wouldn't even technically need an 'extra' port though. The 30 pin connector quite literally [i]is[/i] USB with additional stuff. Fork the USB off to one side, and just have a strange looking 20 something pin + USB connector. The only reason not to do something like this is a miniscule cost difference, or that it would somehow upset Apple's sense of Feng Shui.

Motherboards already do something quite like this as it is. There is a large connector with 20 pins and a small one with 4 for processor power. The two are designed to go together, but the 4 pin processor power connection is almost universally independent so that you can have it in different locations on your motherboard

[Madman_Andre]

[QUOTE=Jsm;37671185]I really wish the EU would somehow make this enforceable. Every other mobile device manufacturer in the world abides by it, why apple doesn't is beyond me. Its so nice being able to charge / power all my devices (Like my Kindle, phone, tablet, Raspberry etc) from one cable sitting next to my PC. Much better than the previous shit with having to find the right cable for the right device. Even worse when the manufacturer decided to change on a regular basis (Nokia!!).[/QUOTE]

Mainly because Apple has enough Liquid Assets to pay whatever fines would be thrown at them forever.