Sanders Campaign Says Photo Proves Clinton Broke Rules During Univision Debate - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49911579]I didn't mean it literally, I mean I'm basically admitting I'm fucking up on a public forum again, I would appreciate it if I wan't talked down like that while I cry for help. I could look into Hiliary, but then all the anti-Hillary folks here would get on my ass, same for if I found some points to agree with on trump.[/QUOTE] instead of whining and going on about how you don't know anything you could, you know, research the people [i]who might run your country[/i] There's so much wrong with your thinking it's incredible.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49911455]voting for someone whose views are essentially the opposite of your initial choice, even more so[/QUOTE] Not that I don't agree with this post, I do. But enlighten me. What exactly is the right course of action when you believe the entire system is rigged, the media bought and paid for, and you hate every single candidate barring the one that everyone says "won't win." Not to mention you automatically get shit on for abstaining from voting because you're dissatisfied with your choices. Bernie has more or less played by the book so far. Meanwhile Clinton has a not short list of morally questionable and outright despicable things she's said and done. She's constantly being caught either bending or breaking the rules and not receiving ANY repercussions for it. It's also blatantly obvious she's in corporate pockets and the LAST thing we need is more corporate shills in office. Obviously voting for someone who is in direct opposition to what you want in a candidate is not a good idea. I entertained the idea myself but if you want positive change you need to fight for it. But I certainly don't blame anyone for being demoralized this election. Shitty choices all around and everyone seems to be ignoring the one person who wants to start fixing our political system. I'm sick and tired of the lesser of two evils crap that seems to go on every election. At least in 2012 it was a pretty damn easy choice between Obama and Romney. TLDR: If you want to support positive change in this country, vote for the person who you believe can make it happen. If you support Bernie and he doesn't win, you can always write in his name or vote third party to voice your dissatisfaction. I personally think that's better than giving another vote to Clinton or Trump.

[IMG]http://it.doesnt.fit/hleqbm.png[/IMG] who is hiliary though also nothing's going to come of this but that's no shocker

wtf is wrong with the u.s

The only people I know who support Hillary do so because "she can get stuff done, unlike Bernie" I mean maybe, but if we don't at least get someone in the white house who challenges the big banks and corporations more, nothing will change.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49911552][B]Maybe I will if you didn't sound like an ass [/B]while I'm basically admitting I'm conflicted and letting myself be led by the public/popular opinion of the internet because I'm lazy and trying not to make myself look more stupid than I already am.[/QUOTE] I don't know dude, it seems that you've had quite a bit of time already. Watch a couple of debates, they're on Youtube in full length. Read a few articles. Anything. It really doesn't take much time, and most people on this forum could probably become political experts if they took half the time they spend on masturbation and gaming and did something useful instead. Not that I'm judging.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;49911827]The only people I know who support Hillary do so because "she can get stuff done, unlike Bernie"[/QUOTE] Extremely debatable, because of the email scandal and Benghazi, the GOP does HATE her. She will get a lot of bills blocked because HILLARY!

I feel like Elizabeth Warren should have joined in the race. It is not fair at all how Hillary is the decided victor before any debate begins. She's gonna fall on her face when donald trump has so much ammo in his arsenal against her. Bernie would at least stand a chance against trump, but he's "unelectable" for being an actual liberal.

Hillary Clinton could should someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and she wouldn't lose supporters.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49911597]Honestly when these moments happen for me I can't help but feel like the whole forum is watching, and then certain folks will come down just to make fun of me like my earlier days on FP.[/QUOTE] There is nothing shameful about forming educated opinions. I would much rather see you take the time to learn some of the basic positions of the candidates and form an educated opinion counter to my own than than to see you agree with me just because it is the popular thing to do.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49912083]There is nothing shameful about forming educated opinions. I would much rather see you take the time to learn some of the basic positions of the candidates and form an educatdd opinion counter to mine based off your values than than to see you agree with me just because it is the popular thing to do.[/QUOTE] Solid points all around, but never forget that peer pressure is known to be a bitch. Doesn't help if your candidate of choice is an underdog. Everyone should do their due diligence and at least look into the people applying for the most powerful (or at least prestigious) position in the country. Everyone should also be respectful to each other and abide by rules where applicable but we know how that song and dance goes. Some do, others don't.

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;49908904]What kind of response is that?[/QUOTE] Reminds me of: [video=youtube;ccjZEvBGOuk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccjZEvBGOuk[/video]

Every day Hilary makes it harder and harder to support her. If people are so disillusioned by the idea of her just getting to cheat her way to power that they'd vote in Trump, it's bad, but that's what the system we have, and have let ourselves have is.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49912754]Every day Hilary makes it harder and harder to support her. If people are so disillusioned by the idea of her just getting to cheat her way to power that they'd vote in Trump, it's bad, but that's what the system we have, and have let ourselves have is.[/QUOTE]I can't necessarily blame people who'd rather vote for Trump, even if I find him terrifying and disgusting. You spite the party that fucked over not only their best chance at winning, but arguably one of the best candidates the elections have seen in a long time. If Hillary were to lose, it might be enough to push the party in to reformation before the next election cycle. The golden thoroughbred losing, especially because of a large number of party defectors, would be pretty damning of the party's higher ups. It also lets them still maintain some semblance of choice in the election. Democratic voters are being constantly told by the party that they have no choice, that Hillary will win and must win because she is Hillary Goddamn Clinton, and that anyone else is unelectable. By voting for Trump, they're reaffirming that they do in fact still have the ability to choose which cannot be taken away by the Democratic leadership. Sanders actually made a lot more people care about voting, especially youths, and brought out a lot of passion from them. And with the threat of Clinton winning and how the party has treated Sanders and them, many of them are becoming even more apathetic and disillusioned than ever. The Democratic party is actively killing interest from potential future supporters because of this. The ones who are saying they'll vote for Trump are the ones who are trying to avoid apathy and still stay involved in the process. So do I blame anyone who says they'll vote for Trump over her? Not at all.

Hillary Clinton will do the same shit as any Republican president would and that her husband did. NAFTA? Sucked manufacturing jobs out of this country and played a large part in the income disparity we are seeing. Welfare reform? Negatively affected black americans in states which enacted harsher welfare regulations. Deregulation of Wall Street and Telecommunications Industry. Countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation received favorable arms deals, these same countries with cultural views that discriminate against women and gays/lesbians. The only thing democratic about her is that she'll side with social justice if it's in the good graces of the public.(Same-sex marriage.) Sanders is wrong if he thinks she'll be any better then a republican president. She's like Trump if he was more consistent with his statements.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49911584]Honestly, I don't mind if people vote for the other candidates as long as they have solid logical reasoning behind it. It gets my goat when people are like [B]"I WANA VOET 4 TURMP 'CUZ HE SEZ WUT HE WANTS AND HE'LL MAKE AMUKA GR8 AGAN"[/B] Likewise when someone's only reason for voting for Hilary is "She's a gurl"[/QUOTE] That at least a better reason then people who are voting for Trump because "it would be funny".

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49911455]voting for someone whose views are essentially the opposite of your initial choice, even more so[/QUOTE] Trump isn't entirely a 180 from Sanders, there are views that they both share, for instance their views on Trade Agreements. They both say "HOW STUPID ARE THESE TRADE DEALS WE KEEP GETTING INTO??? They allow us to export jobs and allow countries to murder us in trade!" Sanders is more about the jobs issue than the trade deficits while Trump mentions jobs go to "chyna" a lot but concentrates more on the fact that they are taking us for a ride trade wise. That's the one issue I know of that they share common views on, I'm almost curious to see how many other views they actually share. I'm willing to bet Sanders would be willing to look for a peaceful solution to Israel/Palestine, just like Trump since sanders doesn't seem like a warmonger.

I'm Canadian so obviously I can't vote (even though your Presidential choice often tends to have a noticeable effect on my country and lifestyle; hello financial crisis), but if presented with a choice between only Trump and Hillary, I'd vote Trump as a protest vote, both middle fingers raised. If that's what it comes down to and the entire system just pretends Bernie doesn't exist and denies any impact on the race from him, might as well burn the two-party system to the ground and start over, because sometimes experiments are failures. We gave eleven years of "the third Bush, except Canadian" the boot in October. I'm hoping that the US can take a step forward towards sanity alongside us. If Bernie doesn't get on the presidential ballots, he sure as hell better have been able to make electoral reform a mandate that the winner has to take on. If things just flop and the people don't turn out to vote, it'll just be four years of depressing mess. If you're in a primary state between now and the nominations and you can vote, make sure you're registered and then go out and vote -- for your chosen candidate, I'm not implying any choice in particular. Send DC the message that the people are watching this time around. They're fat and complacent and think gerrymandering will protect them.

now imagine if all the disenfranchised bernie voters wrote in bernie instead of voting for the orange devil but the establishment would shoot down any potential grassroots write in campaign faster than you can say "decline of democracy"

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49911525]Honestly this election is confusing. One moment I keep Hiliary as my backup, then after shit like this happens several times and when it threatens to kick Sanders off, I get pissed and want to go for Trump. I haven't even read into Hiliary's stuff nor Trump's nor Sanders, I'm just going along with the flow of "Sanders is the best choice ever and I'd be stupid for not going for him." [editline]11th March 2016[/editline] What's worse is I try to relax and get my bearings straight, only to see Clinton do something again and make me worry moreso about her winning over Sanders.[/QUOTE] You really, really shouldn't vote. Anyone that has such a juvenile method of choosing the next leader of the free world should be barred from voting. If there were an office somewhere that I could mail this post to and disqualify you from voting, my printer would be buzzing right now and I'd be on my way to the mailbox.

[QUOTE=srobins;49913780]You really, really shouldn't vote. Anyone that has such a juvenile method of choosing the next leader of the free world should be barred from voting. If there were an office somewhere that I could mail this post to and disqualify you from voting, my printer would be buzzing right now and I'd be on my way to the mailbox.[/QUOTE] How about fuck no that's not how democracy or personal choice works [editline]11th March 2016[/editline] I don't have to like the results to know that the method you want is terrible

[QUOTE=srobins;49913780]If there were an office somewhere that I could mail this post to and disqualify you from voting, my printer would be buzzing right now and I'd be on my way to the mailbox.[/QUOTE] How very undemocratic of you.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49913798]How about fuck no that's not how democracy or personal choice works [editline]11th March 2016[/editline] I don't have to like the results to know that the method you want is terrible[/QUOTE] Sorry, what are you talking about? Did you think I was seriously suggesting a federal voter disqualification program based on forum posts?

[QUOTE=srobins;49913808]Sorry, what are you talking about? Did you think I was seriously suggesting a federal voter disqualification program based on forum posts?[/QUOTE] Didn't you say in your own post Martin should be barred from voting? I'm sorry but how else are we to take that?

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49913815]Didn't you say in your own post Martin should be barred from voting? I'm sorry but how else are we to take that?[/QUOTE] As an obvious exaggeration meant to drive home the point that anyone who jumps between 3 radically different candidates without even reading into their basic political stances and policy proposals should just stay at home on election day..?

[QUOTE=srobins;49913818]As an obvious exaggeration meant to drive home the point that anyone who jumps between 3 radically different candidates without even reading into their basic political stances and policy proposals should just stay at home on election day..?[/QUOTE] yeah but that's just your point of view, and to imagine that your point of view is the only correct one would be silly in this context.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49913827]yeah but that's just your point of view, and to imagine that your point of view is the only correct one would be silly in this context.[/QUOTE] I didn't expect people to take the post so literally lol, obviously I don't actually believe in voter disqualification based on posts on a gaming forum but yes my opinion is that anyone [I]that[/I] uninformed and politically inept shouldn't vote.

[QUOTE=srobins;49913808]Sorry, what are you talking about? Did you think I was seriously suggesting a federal voter disqualification program based on forum posts?[/QUOTE] the backpedalling is strong

[QUOTE=srobins;49913818]As an obvious exaggeration meant to drive home the point that anyone who jumps between 3 radically different candidates without even reading into their basic political stances and policy proposals should just stay at home on election day..?[/QUOTE] I'm just saying, your words not mine. Of course people might get the wrong idea. And guess what, that's democracy for ya. People can vote for anybody for any reason as long as it is THEIR reason. We've noted you think it's retarded. I mentioned it's dumb as well. But it's not grounds to revoke anyone's voting rights. If you think that is wrong, maybe you should be campaigning yourself right now. Just a suggestion.

[QUOTE=srobins;49913818]As an obvious exaggeration meant to drive home the point that anyone who jumps between 3 radically different candidates without even reading into their basic political stances and policy proposals should just stay at home on election day..?[/QUOTE] what if we all worked together to help educate uninformed voters instead of jacking off over how much more intelligent we are