Kentucky Republicans Pass Right-To-Work, Dropping The Hammer On Unions
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[QUOTE=Toyokunari;51643495]So I don't understand. If you are not in a union why does the union have to represent you?[/QUOTE]
Because the federal government tells them they have to.
[QUOTE=Skerion;51641139]What the fuck are we doing with this country[/QUOTE]
Letting idiots get elected.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51643522]Because the federal government tells them they have to.[/QUOTE]
But then if this bill goes through the union would weaken due to them not supporting the union representing them.
I'm not too fond of having to pay dues to a union that I want no part of, but this law seems to be moving too far in the other direction - doesn't it actually ban employers and unions from entering into contracts that require all of the workers to pay? If the company and union voluntarily agree to that, then the government shouldn't stop them.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51641140]I love these euphemistic names like "right-to-work" it's so sinister.[/QUOTE]
We had a "right-to-farming" state question back in November here in Oklahoma
I went "lmao what that's fucking dumb what even do you mean why does it say here you want to be able to go above the constitution go fuck yourself" and voted no, along with apparently a majority of the population, since it didn't pass.
[editline]9th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Aide;51643642]Letting idiots get elected.[/QUOTE]
Not like we can do anything about it. I'm sure my family would take Fox News' statements over mine.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51641798]How in the fuck?
There are many much poorer countries that have a much, much lower rate of illiteracy.
How... just... what?[/QUOTE]
It seems like that is based on a study from 1997 that very widely defines low-literacy. I would take it with a grain of salt. It does still seem that Kentucky is one of the least educated states in the union, however.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51641919]Well, I found this report which states that the illteracy rate is appropximately 14% (which is still bonkers): [URL="https://nces.ed.gov/NAAl/pdf/state_summaries/Kentucky.pdf"]report.[/URL]
But Wikipedia is claiming it's 40%... I can't find a source for that.
EDIT: Wait no, it's 40% [B]low literacy[/B] skill levels. I still can't find a source for that however? [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Kentucky"]Wikipedia.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Low literacy is still below fifth-grade level:
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Map of United States showing the percent of each State's population at Level 1 literacy:
10% to 15% - Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Vermont, and New Hampshire;
15% to 20% - Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Oklahoma, Missouri, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Maine;
20% to 30% - California, New Mexico, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Illinois, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York;
and 30% or greater - Mississippi.
The State of Literacy in America provides the percent of each State's population at Level 1 literacy.
The National Adult Literacy Survey found that 21 percent of American adults had Level 1 literacy skills, and 27 percent of American adults had Level 2 literacy skills. While there are no exact grade equivalents, Level 1 literacy is generally defined as less than fifth-grade reading and comprehension skills, and Level 2 is generally defined as fifth through seventh grades reading and comprehension skills. Although many Level 1 adults could perform tasks involving simple texts and documents, all adults scoring at Level 1 displayed difficulty using certain reading, writing, and computational skills considered necessary for functioning in everyday life. Almost all Level 1 adults could read a little, but not well enough to fill out an application, read a food label, or read a simple story to a child. While most of these adults are not considered "illiterate," they do not have the full range of economic, social, and personal options that are open to Americans with higher levels of literacy skills.
For the purpose of this report, Level 1 literacy has been used as the definition of "low literacy." The predominant reason for this is that Level 1 literacy information is readily available at sub-State levels; whereas, Levels 2 to 5 literacy information is not. In the majority of cases, there is a direct correlation between low literacy, low educational attainment, and low income. There are always exceptions, such as recent Russian immigrants now living in California, who were well educated in their homeland and have excellent literacy in Russian, but have limited English proficiency. As a result of their inability to speak, read, and write English, they are employed in low-income jobs.[/quote][Taken from [url]http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/publications/low_limited/lowlim04.cfm[/url][URL="https://archive.is/QcIcO"].[/URL] Some formatting mine.]
As far as anything involving laws goes, people at level 1 literacy may as well be illiterate.
Level 2 probably isn't enough to effectively participate in politics either, unless there's a law to keep laws simple.
[editline]9th January 2017[/editline]
The Wikipedia article may conflate level 1 and 2 to arrive at the percentage it has. [editline]edit[/editline] This seems to indeed be the case. Following the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Education_in_Kentucky&oldid=755975578#cite_note-Literacy_2-2"]cite[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Education_in_Kentucky&oldid=755975578#cite_note-Literacy-3"]notes[/URL] on Wikipedia, you can find these two pages: [url]https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED405462[/url] and [url]https://nces.ed.gov/NAAl/pdf/state_summaries/Kentucky.pdf[/url] The second link has more details on page 3.
In any case, these values are crazily high no matter how you look at them.
For what it's worth, as a note, the ECHR generally considers union security agreements to be violations of the right to freedom of association
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