• Catholic Church Threatens the City of Washington D.C. over Gay Rights Bill
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[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18360626]All your arguments have been based on the false assumption that the USA is a theocracy.[/QUOTE] It was created by Christians and based on Christian principles, this is American History 101.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360653]1. Wrong, as stated in the Bible, and you offer no counterpoint. 2. Wrong, they have feelings and can become intelligent. 3. Wrong, I have a differing opinion. 4. Wrong, and you are childish. 0/50[/QUOTE] Just because a fucking two thousand year old book says its wrong doesn't actually mean its wrong.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360653]1. Wrong, as stated in the Bible, and you offer no counterpoint. 2. Wrong, they have feelings and can become intelligent. 3. Wrong, I have a differing opinion. 4. Wrong, and you are childish. 0/50[/QUOTE] Where your argument is wrong, is where you assume the Bible is somehow a guide for how to make laws, and what laws to make.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360653]1. Wrong, as stated in the Bible, and you offer no counterpoint. 2. Wrong, they have feelings and can become intelligent. 3. Wrong, I have a differing opinion. 4. Wrong, and you are childish. 0/50[/QUOTE] I don't think fetuses have feelings...
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360666]It was created by Christians and based on Christian principles, this is American History 101.[/QUOTE] Nope. More than half of the founding fathers hated religion, most particular, yours.
[QUOTE=J-man123;18360671]Just because a fucking two thousand year old book says its wrong doesn't actually mean its wrong.[/QUOTE] And so because you think otherwise you're automatically right? Unlike you I have cited my sources.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360653]1. Wrong, as stated in the Bible, and you offer no counterpoint.[/quote] The bible is not a legal document and cannot be used as the basis of laws as per the separation of church and state. [QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360653]2. Wrong, they have feelings and can become intelligent.[/quote] Feelings require intelligence. How can they have feelings but only have the potential of becoming intelligent? You are contradicting yourself, a common habit of christians. A chance of sentience does not equal life. [QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360653]3. Wrong, I have a differing opinion.[/quote] Your opinions are based on past generation's archaic beliefs and bigotry. [QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360653]4. Wrong, and you are childish.[/quote] Yes, I am childish. You are losing to a childish person right now.
They've been oppressing and lying since the church was formed, we don't need them.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360666]It was created by Christians and based on Christian principles, this is American History 101.[/QUOTE] No, this is theological history 101, American history 101 would be that people do not like oppressive governments and will revolt and form their own independent nation, actually, that's more like common sense.
[QUOTE=J-man123;18360676]Nope. More than half of the founding fathers hated religion, most particular, yours.[/QUOTE] Although a lot of the founding fathers hated Catholicism (not uncommon for the time) they did employ PROTESTANT christian values when they created this nation. Ironically though, alot of those values don't go against those of Catholicism.
[QUOTE=Kilr;18360674]Where your argument is wrong, is where you assume the Bible is somehow a guide for how to make laws, and what laws to make.[/QUOTE] Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? They remain one of the most successful code of laws to date.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;18360712]Although a lot of the founding fathers hated Catholicism (not uncommon for the time) they did employ PROTESTANT christian values when they created this nation.[/QUOTE] Many were deists.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360697]And so because you think otherwise you're automatically right? Unlike you I have cited my sources.[/QUOTE] No, I could be wrong. Any religion could be right.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360716]Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? They remain one of the most successful code of laws to date.[/QUOTE] Only a couple of them are relevant to modern laws.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;18360712]Although a lot of the founding fathers hated Catholicism (not uncommon for the time) they did employ PROTESTANT christian values when they created this nation.[/QUOTE] Exactly, and I am not a Catholic, therefore that argument was invalid.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360728]Exactly, and I am not a Catholic, therefore that argument was invalid.[/QUOTE] We never said you were.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;18360720]Many were deists.[/QUOTE]Is that why the first inauguration ceremony ended with a sermon?
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360716]Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? They remain one of the most successful code of laws to date.[/QUOTE] Yeah. We defintally punish people for working on the sabbath. Also, I was raised in the south and go to a catholic high school. I know all you agruements.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360666]It was created by Christians and based on Christian principles, this is American History 101.[/QUOTE] No, that is Sunday school revisionist history school 101, and what why should the region of a bunch of dead guys have anything to do with our government. Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson
1. Wrong, as stated in the Bible, and you offer no counterpoint. (Counterpoint: The bible is bullshit. Prove me wrong.) 2. Wrong, they have feelings (prove it) 3. Wrong, I have a differing opinion. (it stinks) 4. Wrong, and you are childish. (opinion)
No doubt westboro is there
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;18360731]Is that why the first inauguration ceremony ended with a sermon?[/QUOTE] Source? I'm not too familiar with American history beyond the basics. (Not being an American)
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360716]Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? They remain one of the most successful code of laws to date.[/QUOTE] You know what's a more effective code of laws? One with more than ten laws.
[QUOTE=Kilr;18360749]You know what's a more effective code of laws? One with more than ten laws.[/QUOTE] That was linguistically beautiful.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360728]Exactly, and I am not a Catholic, therefore that argument was invalid.[/QUOTE] I AM catholic. I was just correcting an error.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18360742]1. Wrong, as stated in the Bible, and you offer no counterpoint. (Counterpoint: The bible is bullshit. Prove me wrong.) 2. Wrong, they have feelings (prove it) 3. Wrong, I have a differing opinion. (it stinks) 4. Wrong, and you are childish. (opinion)[/QUOTE] 1. The Bible has just as much, if not more legitimacy than any textbook, given the vast amount of accounts contained in it and the various councils it has been edited through. 2. Ever seen a baby kick? 3. Hypocrite 4. Fact
[QUOTE=dvc;18360743]No doubt westboro is there[/QUOTE] I don't see any picket signs with hateful homophobic slogans written on them.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;18360637]I meant more along the lines of the catholic church shouldn't flip out just because there isn't a gay marriage ban since that would be promoting the religion.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, but from my understanding of the situation with the Gay Rights Bill in place, it then goes into the area I bolded. Weather or not you think that's right is not the point I make. The point I make is that the Religion does not allow them to promote homosexuality. This would mean to them that having a homosexual wedding in a church would be Blasphemy and against the religion. There for with this I've come to the conclusion that to force Churches and Christians to accept Gays would be "Prohibiting the Free expression" of the Religion, despite the fact that it is discrimination.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360785]1. The Bible has just as much, if not more legitimacy than any textbook, given the vast amount of accounts contained in it and the various councils it has been edited through. [/QUOTE] I'm very sorry I only rated you a 5/10, you're maybe and 8 or 9.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360785]1. The Bible has just as much, if not more legitimacy than any textbook, given the vast amount of accounts contained in it and the various councils it has been edited through.[/quote] Oh dear. [QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18360785]2. Ever seen a baby kick?[/quote] Ever seen a tree branch move?
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