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[QUOTE=Glaber;18361187]Ah, true, but it doesn't make abortion any less gruesome.[/QUOTE] Bacteria don't have a nervous system, babies do.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361198]All of them were witnessed by multiple people, who witnessed the dinosaurs?[/QUOTE] Who witnessed the witnessers in the bible? Maybe they were lying.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361182]Fossil records and carbon dating are derived from the same misunderstanding, and astronomy is set on a maladjusted scale.[/QUOTE] Science is based on fact and reason, and faith is based on blind assumption. And no I don't follow science blindly, If we did that nothing would be right.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361154]Carbon dating is derived from a misunderstanding of carbon decay.[/QUOTE] The [i]fact[/i] of carbon decay has been established time and time again with extensive scientific trials, much in the same way that your Bible is the compiled works of many different people, and being that it has many sources it must be true. These two ideas are conflicting since according to you, they would both be true being that they are both composed of the work of many people, therefore, one must be false, guess which one I would bet is the sure as shit truth.
[QUOTE=Glaber;18361187]Ah, true, but it doesn't make abortion any less gruesome.[/QUOTE] Just because you can't handle the images doesn't give any more validity to the point he's failing to make.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18361192]Well, so are tales about Big Foot, Nessy, and UFOs.[/QUOTE] So you're saying we should discount all witness accounts, watch the legal system collapse.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361207]Bacteria don't have a nervous system, babies do.[/QUOTE] So do animals, but I'm sure you have no problem killing and eating them because god said we are masters of all we survey.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361182]Fossil records and carbon dating are derived from the same misunderstanding, and astronomy is set on a maladjusted scale.[/QUOTE] Once again, astronomy is the collected works of many people, and must be true by your theory.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;18361208]Who witnessed the witnessers in the bible? Maybe they were lying.[/QUOTE] And maybe the scientists are lying too, they certainly have more reason too, such as money. [editline]01:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kilr;18361232]Once again, astronomy is the collected works of many people, and must be true by your theory.[/QUOTE] They are all following the same maladjusted scale, the problem isn't with them, it's with the scale.
SpiritOfTheRedman, it's time to wrap this up. If you're a troll, fuck you. If you're a bigoted christian, fuck you. If you're a christian who truly believes that we will suffer in hell for our beliefs and you want to save us, thanks but no thanks. We're good. K?
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361224]So you're saying we should discount all witness accounts, watch the legal system collapse.[/QUOTE] Witness accounts only hold up in court if there is evidence to support what they are saying. The only other way it would influence the outcome is by affecting the opinions and emotions of the jury, which can lead to a biased and incorrect verdict. Religion has done the latter.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361238] They are all following the same maladjusted scale, the problem isn't with them, it's with the scale.[/QUOTE] Got any proof?
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18361229]So do animals, but I'm sure you have no problem killing and eating them because god said we are masters of all we survey.[/QUOTE] The difference is that a human nervous system, like in a baby's, leads to intelligence, an animal's doesn't.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18359872]Because that's why we have "Under God" in our pledge of allegiance, the USA was founded as a Christian nation and IS a Christian nation no matter how much liberals want to deny it.[/QUOTE] No, you are wrong. [quote=The Treaty of Tripoli]Art. 11. [b]As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;[/b] as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.[/quote] This was unanimously ratified by the Senate.
[QUOTE=J-man123;18360974]Just because its in a book doesn't mean its right? And nothing backs up the bible nor the Quran.[/QUOTE] I had a history book in High School that backs up the crufixacation of Jesus. This was an even that was recorded in both the Bible and History Books. Although there might not be others.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18361278] This was unanimously ratified by the Senate.[/QUOTE] So were the treaties to Native Americans, in the end it was mostly empty words made to appease.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361238]And maybe the scientists are lying too, they certainly have more reason too, such as money. [editline]01:09AM[/editline] They are all following the same maladjusted scale, the problem isn't with them, it's with the scale.[/QUOTE] And the people who claimed to have seen these events didn't have a reason to lie? Like maybe, controlling people, AND making money? Whether you know it or not, in the medieval ages, the church was one of the most well to do establishments in the world. [quote=johnnymo1;18361278]no, you are wrong. This was unanimously ratified by the senate.[/quote] Sweet jesus johnny save us.
[QUOTE=Kilr;18361299]And the people who claimed to have seen these events didn't have a reason to lie? Like maybe, controlling people, AND making money? Whether you know it or not, in the medieval ages, the church was one of the most well to do establishments in the world.[/QUOTE] The church came after the Bible, not before it, so that whole argument is wrong.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361298]So were the treaties to Native Americans, in the end it was mostly empty words made to appease.[/QUOTE] So now your avatar enters play and we shift focus. Excellent. I extend an olive branch and you shit on it.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361323]The church came after the Bible, not before it, so that whole argument is wrong.[/QUOTE] Believe what you want, you know what a religion without some manner of church is? Anarchy, much in the same way that a bunch of people without a government is anarchy. People need to be told what to do, and in this case, what to believe in. If you want to tell me I'm wrong, please do, I'd like sources though, from somebody more intelligent than the troll.
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[QUOTE=Kilr;18361361]Believe what you want, you know what a religion without some manner of church is? Anarchy, much in the same way that a bunch of people without a government is anarchy. People need to be told what to do, and in this case, what to believe in.[/QUOTE] So you really think the church came before the religion, I suppose you also believe that they rode in carts before inventing the wheel.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;18361378]Images[/QUOTE] Shit, I just get shoe advertisements about some shit called "Rival" which is slightly ironic considering the rivalry in this thread, despite the lack of use of that word. [QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361390]So you really think the church came before the religion, I suppose you also believe that they rode in carts before inventing the wheel.[/QUOTE] No, the church developed after the religion as something which was inevitable, which was that some people would take advantage of those who believe this shit.
[QUOTE=Kilr;18361410]Shit, I just get shoe advertisements about some shit called "Rival" which is slightly ironic considering the rivalry in this thread, despite the lack of use of that word.[/QUOTE] Technology has become self-aware (god must have done it)
[QUOTE=Kilr;18361410] No, the church developed after the religion as something which was inevitable, which was that some people would take advantage of those who believe this shit.[/QUOTE] So you believe the church is wrong, but why do you hate the religion?
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361438]So you believe the church is wrong, but why do you hate the religion?[/QUOTE] Because the religion is used to take stupid people's money and time It is also a form of total control
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361438]So you believe the church is wrong, but why do you hate the religion?[/QUOTE] Because people like you are the result.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;18361448]Because the religion is used to take stupid people's money and time[/QUOTE] See: This [QUOTE=Malumbre;18361451]Because people like you are the result.[/QUOTE] Also this.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18361451]Because people like you are the result.[/QUOTE] So your entire disbelief is based on spite, how petty.
[QUOTE=SpiritOfTheRedman;18361466]So your entire disbelief is based on spite, how petty.[/QUOTE] Our disbelief is based on the lack of proof. Blind faith is dangerous.
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