• UK Government Finally Resolved, David Cameron is the new PM
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Labour were just as bad..
Labour are bad, Conservatives are worse.
Peoples ignorance is unbelievable, has any of the people bitching about the Tories actually read their Manifesto or are they going by what Labour or Labour supporters have said?
[QUOTE=shakadamus;21898080]Peoples ignorance is unbelievable, has any of the people bitching about the Tories actually read their Manifesto or are they going by what Labour or Labour supporters have said?[/QUOTE] There is still a lot of Thatcherites in the tory party, It is easy to promise change.
[QUOTE=AK-74;21898179]There is still a lot of Thatcherites in the tory party[/QUOTE] New Labour was built on Thatcherism and basically continued it's legacy, I would argue in some place they went further. The implementation of the public private partnership for example.
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;21898348]New Labour was built on Thatcherism and basically continued it's legacy, I would argue in some place they went further. The implementation of the public private partnership for example.[/QUOTE] I hate New Labour just as much as the Tories, i am not going to deny what you have just said. Its a no win situation for people like me.
[QUOTE=AK-74;21898400]I hate New Labour just as much as the Tories, i am not going to deny what you have just said. Its a no win situation for people like me.[/QUOTE] That's probably the reason why a lot of working class voters have been switching to BNP. It'll be interesting what the Labour party does now. They're probably going to elect a Blairite as leader, which I really don't see as the best option for them. It would be better if they were to elect someone more traditional Labour, as it would give them a better position to fight from. [editline]03:09PM[/editline] Oh yes and the tory eurosceptics have been completely crushed by this agreement.
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;21898464]That's probably the reason why a lot of working class voters have been switching to BNP. It'll be interesting what the Labour party does now. They're probably going to elect a Blairite as leader, which I really don't see as the best option for them. It would be better if they were to elect someone more traditional Labour, as it would give them a better position to fight from. [editline]03:09PM[/editline] Oh yes and the tory eurosceptics have been completely crushed by this agreement.[/QUOTE] The BNP are just using the working class, the socialist party's have no power anymore:/.
Looks like my £30 EMA a week is going then....great -.-
Glad I got into uni in time. Though by my third and fourth years the fees could have gone up. I don't know if the new prices will apply to everyone or only people who came to uni after the price change.
Personally I don't see the point in getting rid of EMA. As was said on the first page; most people spend it on leisure items, which surely is just strengthening the economy. I also know a few people that were a lot more inclined to go to college when they learned of EMA.
[QUOTE=Rubber;21898787]Personally I don't see the point in getting rid of EMA. As was said on the first page; most people spend it on leisure items, which surely is just strengthening the economy. I also know a few people that were a lot more inclined to go to college when they learned of EMA.[/QUOTE]I thought it was in the Torys manifesto? That they were going to scrap EMA...
[QUOTE=The mouse;21884838]Well firstly I'm talking about the people on benefits who have about 8 children and who live on a council estate because getting a job would lower their income and would have to do somthing, Secondly I'm talking about the people can't be bothered to get a job not the ones who can't because atleast their trying to contribute to socity and not just leeching off the system. Thirdly I was reffering to Labours policy of allowing the lower classes to have more avaliabibity to Uni than everyone else, this means that those who are well educated and have a good understanding of the world will be denied education that would further nurture their talents while those who come from council estates and have a poorer education will be given further education that they don't need or don't deserve[/QUOTE] You really must be one of those ignorant pricks born with a silver spoon in your mouth, because you appear very badly informed. Like mentioned, 8 kids I'm sure is certainly a small minority - but it also raises a relevant question, only the rich are entitled to the joy of having children? Next 'living on a council estate' - because having your 'own' house and two cars in the drive makes you someone does it? More of a valuable human being? You can't have benefit laws that differentiate between 'those who want to work' and 'those who don't want to work' - you can't hand out a fucking questionaire. Jobs are scarce. "those who are well educated and have a good understanding of the world", being 'well-educated' doesn't make you a brilliant mind or unique thinker, intelligence comes in many forms, from social skills, management, the knowledge and talent to build, or paint or write, imagination and intuitive ideas. An understanding of the world is aquired through experiencing it, and well, some 'poor' people I can certainly say may be very rich in knowing the world, how to scrape buy, how to survive. You don't know what shit people might've been through or what decisions they thought was their only option to lead them where they are. Look at people as people, not a class. As individuals, with individual experiences. Yes, some people rich and poor alike will be assholes. But alot of people have something to give, and have much potential. Being poor doesn't make you a dumb fuck, just as being rich doesn't make you smart. Honestly boy, try a different perspective. Finally: Making education more inaccessible to poor families will only increase a badly or even totally uneducated population, an uneducated population leads to a rise in people looking for 'unskilled' work, like cleaning or bar jobs, there won't be enough, then large unemployment ensues, if there are no benefits for these unemployed potential workers, they go onto the streets. Homelessness increases. Streets become full of beggars and pickpockets, crime increases as people steal to get a bite to eat. Do you see how denying something as simple as allowing the population to be educated and find their interests or giving people houses and money to get by can put everything into shit?
For all you people bitching about losing your EMA to be fair they had to for budget cuts, Labour and lib dems would have done the same thing.
random, you got gold because the website is telling you that you made a mistake voting conservatives.
I feel sorry for UK. I do.
I'm so glad that the Tories are in power now, at least we don't have another five years of Labour fucking everything up. I voted Tories. Yay!
[QUOTE=TheIceman;21899631]I feel sorry for UK. I do.[/QUOTE] Where do you live? If you're in the US, they're not nearly as bad as your "conservatives".
[QUOTE=Anteep1;21899597]random, you got gold because the website is telling you that you made a mistake voting conservatives.[/QUOTE] Or FP is awarding me for voting for the right party. I disagree with EMA, too many people I know got EMA for no reason. I went to a private school and yet loads of people got EMA. Surely if they have enough money to afford the school they do not need EMA.
I dislike EMA too. My friend got it and fair enough he used it for train fares but I also knew plenty of people who didn't deserve it. We all used to refer to it as AMA (Alcohol Maintenance Allowance). Now we're both at uni. He gets a grant of about 3000 pounds a year that he doesn't have to pay back on top of the normal loan. And he has a job and has a budget of around 100 pounds a week with money to spare. All because his parents are divorced and he lives with his single mum. The system doesn't take into account that his mum has a very rich boyfriend though. On the other hand because my parents are married and both of them work I get the normal loan that I have to pay back and it doesn't even cover my rent. Thing is if my mum didn't work I'd be elegible for a grant of some amount. But her earnings litteraly JUST tip the household income over the limit.
I'm not at the legal voting age, but I would've voted Lib Dem. The "If it's not for Labour on Conservative it's a wasted vote" mentality is pretty annoying, as I feel they would've done the best job.
I would need my EMA for food everyday because my dad doesn't really have enough money to feed me aswell... Oh, but he has enough for his fucking drug habits... God, i hope i don't turn out like him...
[QUOTE=Cluckyx;21885362]I find it sad, this thread is a good example of people who take the majority of their world view, and thus make their choices based entirely on Sky News and The Sun. And now people like me have to foot the bill because they got you hook line and sinker.[/QUOTE] I'm with you mate the sooner i can get the fuck away from these kind of people the better. I'm not even going to bother adding anything to this debate. I'll get really angry and just type long incomprehensible paragraphs. I am so fucking pissed off with this country at the moment, i can't believe my ancestors died in battle to protect our freedoms to have them slowly eroded under the guise of "Protecting our culture". NEWS FLASH, ENGLAND RAPED AND PILLAGED PRETTY MUCH EVERY CONTINENT IN THE WORLD FOR A GOOD 200 YEARS. FUCKING IRONY. Edit: [QUOTE=demisemiquaver;21901031]I dislike EMA too. My friend got it and fair enough he used it for train fares but I also knew plenty of people who didn't deserve it. We all used to refer to it as AMA (Alcohol Maintenance Allowance). Now we're both at uni. He gets a grant of about 3000 pounds a year that he doesn't have to pay back on top of the normal loan. And he has a job and has a budget of around 100 pounds a week with money to spare. All because his parents are divorced and he lives with his single mum. The system doesn't take into account that his mum has a very rich boyfriend though. On the other hand because my parents are married and both of them work I get the normal loan that I have to pay back and it doesn't even cover my rent. Thing is if my mum didn't work I'd be elegible for a grant of some amount. But her earnings litteraly JUST tip the household income over the limit.[/QUOTE] Obviously the governments fault for not knowing your friends mum has a rich boyfriend. Hey guess what, my mum has a rich boyfriend and he gives me jack shit, i needed EMA to get through college. I had to work during the week and weekends, and had to travel. EMA supports people who need it, just because some cuntish 10% are abusing it doesn't mean it needs to be got rid of, the abusive 10% need to lose their privilege. This is the problem with the Tories they are going to come in and throw a blanket cut over as much as they can and people who really depend on their support will be mercilessly left in the dark at the benefit of the middle classes. Fuck.
[QUOTE=Random112358;21900711]Or FP is awarding me for voting for the right party. I disagree with EMA, too many people I know got EMA for no reason. I went to a private school and yet loads of people got EMA. Surely if they have enough money to afford the school they do not need EMA.[/QUOTE] Tory is only the the right party to vote for if you are rich and extremely selfish. And you only got gold cause you have been here for more than 2 years and have over 2000 posts, it is really nothing special.
Looks like I'll never get into Uni now. Thanks Dave
[QUOTE=Random112358;21900711] I disagree with EMA, too many people I know got EMA for no reason. I went to a private school and yet loads of people got EMA. Surely if they have enough money to afford the school they do not need EMA.[/QUOTE] that's just dumb tbh my friend went to queens college london and she said someone she knew got EMA because her mum was divorced and didn't work and her dad still supported her mother financially
[QUOTE=Rubber;21898787]Personally I don't see the point in getting rid of EMA. As was said on the first page; most people spend it on leisure items, which surely is just strengthening the economy. I also know a few people that were a lot more inclined to go to college when they learned of EMA.[/QUOTE] If you think government money being spent on teenagers leisure is good for the economy, you are a complete idiot.
[QUOTE=spekter;21901684]Looks like I'll never get into Uni now. Thanks Dave[/QUOTE]:bandwagon:
[QUOTE=The mouse;21903008]:bandwagon:[/QUOTE] :russbus:
Waiting to see how this turns out. Hopefully David'll at least be better than that awful Brown.
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