U.S. deserter can reapply to stay in Canada: court - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JLea;29065104]Ahh yes, protecting your country from what exactly? How is that a good thing... Killing "terrorists (civilians)" is only going to make them more pissed off at you, and lead to further radicalization. Sure is fun in the desert. If you do manage to get deployed to Japan/Germany you're a lucky guy. I already said that. Untill they die from an IED / Get their legs blown off. Besides, you can meet great people anywhere. The same could be said about any job. You might never leave the military life behind, and force it onto your loved ones with your weird sleeping schedules and harsh discipline.[/QUOTE] Uh you know there are other branches besides the army. You can join the military and go see the world, IE NAVY has a lot of good duty stations. You're posts are so one sided and full of ignorance, i bet you have no military experience and base your ideas off stupid generalizations or what you hear from people that don't know what they're doing.

It's cool how when I make a post saying the military isn't all that great, everyone starts rating dumbs + goes crazy over it. Ohadje literally made an account and pretended he had served to give his arguments more credibility. For some reason people like you MR-X think that "Military life is kinda shit" == "I hate America and the white race needs to be exterminated."

Actually I got banned because starpluck doesn't like me. I have like extra over 9000 alts though. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("No, I don't like rulebreakers; alt of permabanned user" - Starpluck))[/highlight]

Starpluck and Ohadje have the same relationship that Israel and Hamas have.

Winning?

Why they gotta be so serious about deserters? Like who gives a fuck if some guy decides that "hey, maybe killing brown people isn't for me." [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] Those military commanders with a stick up their butt need to smoke some weed and chill.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;29073162]Why they gotta be so serious about deserters? Like who gives a fuck if some guy decides that "hey, maybe killing brown people isn't for me." [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] Those military commanders with a stick up their butt need to smoke some weed and chill.[/QUOTE] In that case you shouldn't sign up for it beforehand. I think if yours was the case then when shit hit the fan soldiers would just abandon their duty that THEY themselves signed up for.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;29073162]Why they gotta be so serious about deserters? Like who gives a fuck if some guy decides that "hey, maybe killing brown people isn't for me." [/QUOTE] You'd make a terrible general.

Um so. Why can't they let people come and go as they please. Why do they need to go "AHA! You signed this paper, now you're fucked for the next 6 years, bitch!" [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29073435]You'd make a terrible general.[/QUOTE] I never said I'd be good at it. Generals are assholes anyway. Fuck 'em.

[QUOTE=JLea;29064951][B]Military Service[/B] *Away from family and friends *Can't leave until your contract/service is up *Life in danger *Restrictions on how your recreation time is spent. *Poor job prospects when you leave. *Chance of developing permanent psychological trauma. [B]Prison[/B] *Away from family and friends *Can't leave until your contract/service is up *Life in danger *Restrictions on how your recreation time is spent. *Poor job prospects when you leave. *Chance of developing permanent psychological trauma. I guess you get paid + get to shoot guns, but that's about it?[/QUOTE] [b]browsing Facepunch[/b] *Away from family and friends *Can't leave until you get permabanned *[del]Life[/del] Health in danger *Sad way to spend your recreation time *You probably won't get a job anyways *Chance of developing permanent psychological trauma. see I can do that too

[QUOTE=JLea;29066685]It's cool how when I make a post saying the military isn't all that great, everyone starts rating dumbs + goes crazy over it. Ohadje literally made an account and pretended he had served to give his arguments more credibility. For some reason people like you MR-X think that "Military life is kinda shit" == "I hate America and the white race needs to be exterminated."[/QUOTE] Only reason I'm commenting it is because you're completely ignorant on the subject. Hardly [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;29073449]Um so. Why can't they let people come and go as they please. Why do they need to go "AHA! You signed this paper, now you're fucked for the next 6 years, bitch!" [/QUOTE] Because you're gaining tons of benefits by joining the military. The military pours money in to training and post-secondary education along with free housing, food, clothing, medical, sign up bonuses, etc. It isn't like they make you sign the paper, everyone knows what they're getting in to. They don't want people to join, take the benefits then run off. Instead of running away like a coward and getting yourself in trouble just do something stupid to get yourself kicked out of the military. I can't stand job abandonment in any work place, if you're going to leave and can't take it don't just walk away. Running away proves nothing. Sure military isn't for anyone, but at least have the backbone to complete your end of the agreement. You can leave the military though different ways - medical discharge, get kicked out, educational discharge, hardship discharge, file for an early separation, or tell them you're gay.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29065176]I still personally feel the negatives of joining the military far outweigh the positives Maybe not the Coast Guard but the coast guard here is a civilian organization[/QUOTE] Yeah the coast guard in the United States is this odd blend of police and military organization.

[QUOTE=MR-X;29074936]Because you're gaining tons of benefits by joining the military. The military pours money in to training and post-secondary education along with free housing, food, clothing, medical, sign up bonuses, etc. It isn't like they make you sign the paper, everyone knows what they're getting in to. They don't want people to join, take the benefits then run off. Instead of running away like a coward and getting yourself in trouble just do something stupid to get yourself kicked out of the military. I can't stand job abandonment in any work place, if you're going to leave and can't take it don't just walk away. Running away proves nothing. Sure military isn't for anyone, but at least have the backbone to complete your end of the agreement. You can leave the military though different ways - medical discharge, get kicked out, educational discharge, hardship discharge, file for an early separation, or tell them you're gay.[/QUOTE] Interesting. Why don't you e-mail some of the Canadian war resister organizations with your conviction that there are "better" alternatives than deserting? [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] And red tape is a big issue as well. They do not want to deploy overseas to fight in a war they see as illegal. Back in the 1980s, my history instructor - a former Army officer - applied for objector status back in 1988, but it took the Army two whole years before they recognized it (they refused initially) and he couldn't do a damn thing about it until then. What some people don't seem to understand is that these most of these deserters joined the US military for their various reasons and would gladly serve, but they do not agree with the wars their country is waging. Like for Jeremy Hinzman: [quote]He served in Afghanistan in a non-combat position after having applied for conscientious objector status. After being refused CO status and returning to America, he learned that they would be deployed to Iraq. Hinzman did not believe the stated reasons for the Iraq war. In January 2004 he drove to Canada to seek asylum.[/quote] In the Bundeswehr soldiers are allowed to refuse orders if he perceives them to be unjust, violating international law or morally wrong. Why can't other Western countries adopt such a thing, if they haven't already?

[QUOTE=JLea;29064951][B]Military Service[/B] *Away from family and friends *Can't leave until your contract/service is up *Life in danger *Restrictions on how your recreation time is spent. *Poor job prospects when you leave. *Chance of developing permanent psychological trauma. [B]Prison[/B] *Away from family and friends *Can't leave until your contract/service is up *Life in danger *Restrictions on how your recreation time is spent. *Poor job prospects when you leave. *Chance of developing permanent psychological trauma. I guess you get paid + get to shoot guns, but that's about it?[/QUOTE] You are an idiot. My dad is in the Air Force and let me tell you some of the benefits. GI Bill will pay for almost any college education 4 years (He can use it himself or give it to my mom or any of his children, I am taking it) Job Training- Air craft maitenence, Air Traffic controller (some of the highest paying jobs are dealing with aircraft Travel the world get tons of free time "leave" Free Healthcare Ability to make friends faster -People leave so often around here, Its rare to stay in one place 4 years like I have. Experience countless cultures The pay is good seeing as if you live on the Military Base, they pay water and electrical. Live offbase? depending on your job, they will give you a certain amount of money to help pay for bills specifically. Everything you need is on the military base. Fast food, Grocery Store (Giant commissary), BX/PX (Superstore), Hospital, car shop, housing, parks, schools. And don't give me any of that risking your life shit. My dad works Aircraft maintenance which keeps him away from the action and he makes over 100k a year as a Chief. He says its a lot of work, but its promising and fulfilling. Also, join the military right out of high school and the military will PAY for college in whatever you want to major in which you will work as. The military is awesome and lately I've been thinking about joining it too. The only thing I don't think I could cope with is the PT. I suck at running...

[QUOTE=JLea;29064951][B]Military Service[/B] *Poor job prospects when you leave.[/QUOTE] excuse me? if you walk into an interview with an honorable discharge from a field (MOS) in the military that is related to your job you can write your own ticket. [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] even if you are just infantry, you get a ton of respect (at least around here where I live) and you gain a lot of valuable personal traits from the military [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] you must be trolling, jlea, stop it

[QUOTE=GunFox;29075019]Yeah the coast guard in the United States is this odd blend of police and military organization.[/QUOTE] It's only civilian in Canada, but they work with the military

[QUOTE=JLea;29064951][B]Military Service[/B] *Away from family and friends *Can't leave until your contract/service is up *Life in danger *Restrictions on how your recreation time is spent. *Poor job prospects when you leave. *Chance of developing permanent psychological trauma. [B]Prison[/B] *Away from family and friends *Can't leave until your contract/service is up *Life in danger *Restrictions on how your recreation time is spent. *Poor job prospects when you leave. *Chance of developing permanent psychological trauma. I guess you get paid + get to shoot guns, but that's about it?[/QUOTE] My Grandpa who grew up poor with 12 siblings used the G.I. bill to go to college and get out of poverty. Suck my big fat cock.

Ironically, our most respected User Big Dumb American is in the Army. I guess he is also condoning the murder of brown people, the supporter of American Imperialism and the gradual creation of the New World Order.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29076815]Ironically, our most respected User Big Dumb American is in the Army. I guess he is also condoning the murder of brown people, the supporter of American Imperialism and the gradual creation of the New World Order.[/QUOTE] I hope you're being sarcastic because I can't tell through this screen just like everyone else.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29076815]Ironically, our most respected User Big Dumb American is in the Army. I guess he is also condoning the murder of brown people, the supporter of American Imperialism and the gradual creation of the New World Order.[/QUOTE] That's a bad example, I'm pretty sure the army kicked him out. I just joined though!

[QUOTE=Aman V;29064799]Why would he desert. Why not just quit his job. Even if it was a contract they don't last a long time. Or just try and kill himself like my friend in the army did, you get an honorable discharge.[/QUOTE] holy shit

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29076815]Ironically, our most respected User Big Dumb American is in the Army. I guess he is also condoning the murder of brown people, the supporter of American Imperialism and the gradual creation of the New World Order.[/QUOTE] hoping and praying that's sarcasm, only because of that last part

He is pretty obviously joking, that's why he went so over the top with it.

[QUOTE=Regulas021;29080113]He is pretty obviously joking, that's why he went so over the top with it.[/QUOTE] it's hard to tell sometimes, I can tell you three users that seriously believe stuff like that

[QUOTE=Android phone;29080143]it's hard to tell sometimes, I can tell you three users that seriously believe stuff like that[/QUOTE] Name them.

[QUOTE=Aman V;29064799]Why would he desert. Why not just quit his job. Even if it was a contract they don't last a long time. Or just try and kill himself like my friend in the army did, you get an honorable discharge.[/QUOTE] You sign up for the military, and you work for them until you're 65 or older. Until then, they can tell you when to go, whenever they want. You have no say in the matter.

[QUOTE=Binladen34;29080975]You sign up for the military, and you work for them until you're 65 or older. Until then, they can tell you when to go, whenever they want. You have no say in the matter.[/QUOTE] [quote]In the US, if you're signing up in the Regular forces (not the Reserves or National Guard), standard commitment is 4 years Active Duty followed by 4 years in the Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR), though there are some special jobs/programs where you commit to 2,3,5, or (for pilots) 7 years Active Duty. Depending on the program, after you separate/deactivate, you will either have to spend the remainder of the 8 years in the IRR or the drilling Reserves (weekend warriors), or a full 4 years in the IRR - when you can be "activated" at any time at the digression of your service branch and the Department of Defense.[/quote]

[QUOTE=RBM11;29076786]My Grandpa who grew up poor with 12 siblings used the G.I. bill to go to college and get out of poverty. Suck my big fat cock.[/QUOTE] Except military benefits have fluctuated drastically in the many years since your grandfather probably served.