North Korea warns islanders to evacuate if South's live-fire drill goes ahead
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[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;34790844]The first Korean war?[/QUOTE]
Never ended? It's on a ceasefire. Unless you're talking about another war that I'm unaware of?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34787922]Is the south korean army that bad?[/QUOTE]
He's US air force. Stationed on a small base near the border with minimal attack ability. They just have to sit in wait for reinforcements if the shit goes down.
[QUOTE=OvB;34791070]He's US air force. Stationed on a small base near the border with minimal attack ability. They just have to sit in wait for reinforcements if the shit goes down.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but is the cannon fodder part in regards to the NK's or south koreans?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34791552]Yeah but is the cannon fodder part in regards to the NK's or south koreans?[/QUOTE]
North Korean troops would be cannon fodder throughout the war.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34791552]Yeah but is the cannon fodder part in regards to the NK's or south koreans?[/QUOTE]
The US troops stationed in SK. The South Koreans actually have a full military that would be able to at least fend off the North until help came. But the US personnel stationed there is far too outnumbered and out gunned to form any real offensive. They would be forced to go on the defensive until the US bomber fleet in Guam can show up and bomb the fuck out of North Korean artillery installations and provide support.
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Stay alive for 72 hours until help comes, basically.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;34788217]Personnel =/= power.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where people get this idea. The countries are BORDERLINE. Whoever has the most troops has an incredible advantage.
Iran Vs. Israel, Argentina Vs. Britain, its not too late for North Korea and South Korea.
[QUOTE=OvB;34791821]The US troops stationed in SK. The South Koreans actually have a full military that would be able to at least fend off the North until help came. But the US personnel stationed there is far too outnumbered and out gunned to form any real offensive. They would be forced to go on the defensive until the US bomber fleet in Guam can show up and bomb the fuck out of North Korean artillery installations and provide support.
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Stay alive for 72 hours until help comes, basically.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they'd get help from the south koreans to lessen the pressure.
So you're telling me. That even on a high alert thing like this, the US military doesn't have some of their bomber fleet in bases in Japan or South Korea?
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;34791864]Iran Vs. Israel, Argentina Vs. Britain, its not too late for North Korea and South Korea.[/QUOTE]
are you implying anything is actually going to happen at the Falklands
if push comes to shove it'll all be over so fast you'll have to generate 1.21 jiggawatts and go back in time just to hear someone calling the argentinian PM a fuckhead
[QUOTE=Nikota;34791924]So you're telling me. That even on a high alert thing like this, the US military doesn't have some of their bomber fleet in bases in Japan or South Korea?[/QUOTE]
Andersen AFB(Guam) operates as the heavy bomber base for PACAF. You wouldn't want a ton of your heavy bombers to be within artillery range of an unpredicable enemy so we keep it a good distance on an island. We have fighter squadrons in South Korea, but they would pretty much be purely support and defense until the bombers in Guam got there, and until the US could pull some naval fleets out of its ass to send over. Kadena AFB in Okinawa would also take some time to get their fighters in the area. So for the first few hours the troops in SK are on their own with what they got. But they do have A-10s and fighters so it's not like they're completely defenseless.
In 10 years war will be a MTV sensation just like teen pregnancy.
It scary to think that such horrible people can lead countries, and have such great power.
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[QUOTE=OvB;34792062]Andersen AFB operates as the heavy bomber base for PACAF. We have fighter squadrons in South Korea and Japan, but they would pretty much be purely support and defense until the bombers in Guam got there.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure they'd send in some ground troops and other support. We got special forces that are trained to be in places all over the world in no time at all.
Also tell your brother thank you for serving.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;34792075]In 10 years war will be a MTV sensation just like teen pregnancy.
It scary to think that such horrible people can lead countries, and have such great power.[/QUOTE]
In most cases it's the position itself that makes the horrid man, and the potential to be manipulated by that position that put them there in the first place.
[QUOTE=Cone;34792134]In most cases it's the position itself that makes the horrid man, and the potential to be manipulated by that position that put them there in the first place.[/QUOTE]
That is true.
[QUOTE=OvB;34792062]Andersen AFB(Guam) operates as the heavy bomber base for PACAF. You wouldn't want a ton of your heavy bombers to be within artillery range of an unpredicable enemy so we keep it a good distance on an island. We have fighter squadrons in South Korea, but they would pretty much be purely support and defense until the bombers in Guam got there, and until the US could pull some naval fleets out of its ass to send over. Kadena AFB in Okinawa would also take some time to get their fighters in the area. So for the first few hours the troops in SK are on their own with what they got. But they do have A-10s and fighters so it's not like they're completely defenseless.[/QUOTE]
SK's military isn't too bad, it's sixth largest in the world.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34792209]SK's military isn't too bad, it's sixth largest in the world.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah. They could hold NK back, but it would be... tense to say the least. I'm not convinced NK army could last that long seeing how malnourished and poorly fed they are. An army runs on its stomach. Hell, we might be able to get a good lot of them to defect if we can send promise of food and amnesty over propaganda channels.
[QUOTE=OvB;34792483]Well yeah. They could hold NK back, but it would be... tense to say the least. I'm not convinced NK army could last that long seeing how malnourished and poorly fed they are. An army runs on its stomach. Hell, we might be able to get a good lot of them to defect if we can send promise of food and amnesty over propaganda channels.[/QUOTE]
I think the bulk of it would be made up of those 8 million reserves. Their tech is also outdated as hell, unless their men are seriously well trained in proper tactics, I imagine they will just use human wave tactics.
Even if NK went to war I don't expect them to have the logistics to move their entire army fast enough before the US comes into action.
The real question is, Will North Korea have enough time to really strike the south before the US Military gets involved.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34793459]The military is well-fed, the civilians are the ones starving.[/QUOTE]
There was an article posted a few months ago about how the military food reserves are running out.
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NK military [I]are[/I] well fed, but by NK standards; they're still fairly malnourished (unless they're a high-ranking officer, or one of the soldiers they have on display at the DMZ crossings)
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NK military [I]are[/I] well fed, but by NK standards; they're still fairly malnourished (unless they're a high-ranking officer, or one of the soldiers they have on display at the DMZ crossings)[/QUOTE]
Hence why I'm not certain that the NK military could actually pose a viable threat. Just giving the nation a cursory glance, it doesn't look like their military is capable of doing much more than what would amount to harassment. No doubt casualties on our side would occur, and any death is horrible, but from a purely tactical standpoint, I don't think that North Korea has the capability to do much.
NK has oil shortage, food shortage, fertilizer shortage and shartage of other materials. Do you think that they can even stand the war?
[QUOTE=oskutin;34793702]NK has oil shortage, food shortage, fertilizer shortage and shartage of other materials. Do you think that they can even stand the war?[/QUOTE]
Are you implying glorious leader cannot lead our great nation to victory?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34793459]The military is well-fed, the civilians are the ones starving.[/QUOTE]
Even if that were true, the replacement troops that North Korea would have to call up after the opening rounds of the hypothetical war would be horribly underfed and mistreated, while South Korean and American reinforcements would be about as tough as the first set of troops.
'Course that all means fuck-all if the ChiComs attack again. Not like that'll happen though, a war with America would destroy their economy.
When North Korea threatened to use nuclear weapons against South Korea, South Korea scrambled jets and they backed down...
Nothing to worry about.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34793642]How about actually linking the article?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8759125/Half-of-North-Koreas-army-starving.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34794517]Jokes aside, your assumption that their army consists of nothing but skeletons with helmets is completely false. They will still put up a hell of a fight, and given their massive numbers, conflict will be long, bloody and desperate for both sides. This isn't the tiny Iraqi military you managed to obliterate in a few weeks, this is the real deal. An underfunded, outdated 'deal' but a deal nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Of course, it was a hyperbole, but that fact remains, North Korean citizens and tertiary soldiers are underfed and under strength. The United States army, on the other hand, does not have to deal with famine in it's reserve regiments. All armies operate on three principles: they have to be bred, fed and led. And while North Koreans are still born, and there are officers, they have food shortages that may very well prove fatal. God forbid, only time will tell.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34794517]Yeah hit the deck at the first sign of minor engagement and wait for air support to blow the fuck out of everything in the threat's general area - just like you've been doing for the past 20 years of military combat.
Jokes aside, your assumption that their army consists of nothing but skeletons with helmets is completely false. They will still put up a hell of a fight, and given their massive numbers, conflict will be long, bloody and desperate for both sides. This isn't the tiny Iraqi military you managed to obliterate in a few weeks, this is the real deal. An underfunded, outdated 'deal' but a deal nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, such a fearsome force, with their SKS rifles and 1960s tanks, I'm sure that they'll be a real threat unlike those modern Iraqi forces. I mean, North Korean tanks only have enough fuel for two weeks of operation! The Iraqi tanks had way more than that! Just goes to show how good the North Korean military is. They must be able to win the war in only two weeks!
Seriously though, the North Korean military is vastly inferior to the Iraqi one in 1990 or 2003. Any sort of military confrontation which would result in the complete mobilization of their troops would result in the collapse of the entire country. They can barely feed themselves with everyone working in the fields, and you expect them to be able to carry on a war that requires millions of men to fight?
Also, your "joke" about the U.S. military is completely untrue and unrealistic and it doesn't happen.
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Seriously though, the North Korean military is vastly inferior to the Iraqi one in 1990 or 2003. Any sort of military confrontation which would result in the complete mobilization of their troops would result in the collapse of the entire country. They can barely feed themselves with everyone working in the fields, and you expect them to be able to carry on a war that requires millions of men to fight?[/QUOTE]
But there wouldn't be the same number of people surrendering en masse. These people have been brainwashed since birth to believe their leader is a god. Kimmy un would probably make everyman fight to the death, no retreating.
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