North Korea warns islanders to evacuate if South's live-fire drill goes ahead
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[QUOTE=Arachnidus;34793649]Hence why I'm not certain that the NK military could actually pose a viable threat. Just giving the nation a cursory glance, it doesn't look like their military is capable of doing much more than what would amount to harassment. No doubt casualties on our side would occur, and any death is horrible, but from a purely tactical standpoint, I don't think that North Korea has the capability to do much.[/QUOTE]
From an invasion standpoint. However, North Korea has enough artillery to level Seoul, and you know that's going to be the very first thing they do too. Seoul is extremely valuable to South Korea, and the world. Seoul is the capital city of SK and a key economic center. It is considered a megacity with a population of over 10 million people, in fact it's the 3rd largest city on Earth.
More waving of tiny penises.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;34789518]They wouldn't lose. Point is that it would be a bloodbath. They are in range of each others artillery. Yeah, SK would probably ultimately win, but the losses would be horrible.[/QUOTE]
The problem with this argument is that North Korea's artillery is primarily amassed as a deterrent but doesn't have much in the way of actual striking capabilities, much like that huge tumor of flak cannons near Pyongyang doesn't actually serve a purpose beyond showing the populace HEY LOOK WE CAN DEFEND YOU. Meanwhile, the South Koreans have an air force equipped with SLAM-ERs and JDAM-ERs on their old shit, functioning anti-ballistic missile defense systems on par with ours and the Israelis, and intelligence on where all that derelict crap is sitting. First few hours of any actual conflict, there isn't going to [I]be[/I] a North Korean artillery presence, conventional, rocket, or otherwise. The real threat to civilian areas would be the fact that NK still has mobile platforms and some SCUD tier junk, which don't really mean much in too low of a quantity.
A massive clusterfuck, yes, a "bloodbath", no.
I find it hilarious that everyone thinks that the South could hammer the North, what rubbish is that? It would be a total mess, the north have gone beyond the point of foreign military aid (To the point of neglecting the rest of the nation), they have become so militarized that if a war were to break out again and they were to break the parallel, I honestly really think the comfortable South would get such a beating that the US wouldn't bother to spend that amount of money propping it up. It's a relic of the Domino theory, that survived due to outside intervention.
anybody remember that one mission in chaos theory
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That looks like a hilarious bar fight waiting to happen with it ending poorly for that North Korean fellow.
Because a guy who is short would perform worse than a lad who is taller, great military logic there son.
deactivate all the north korean propaganda speakers (0/5)
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34796711]That looks like a hilarious bar fight waiting to happen with it ending poorly for that North Korean fellow.[/QUOTE]
Honestly they're just guys following orders. They all deserve to go to a bar together and drink a beer. This bullshit war needs to end.
[QUOTE=faze;34796771]Honestly they're just guys following orders. They all deserve to go to a bar together and drink a beer. This bullshit war needs to end.[/QUOTE]
You would be surprised at what decades of mistrust and hate can do to a split nation.
[QUOTE=Mabus;34796784]You would be surprised at what decades of mistrust and hate can do to a split nation.[/QUOTE]
Oh I'm not surprised... but at the end of the day they are all men following orders.
[QUOTE=Mabus;34796761]Because a guy who is short would perform worse than a lad who is taller, great military logic there son.[/QUOTE]
Wow you're horrible at getting semi-metaphorical jokes.
The joke is they'd probably gang up on him. The same would happen if the North Korean's attacked the South, they'd get ganged up on by not only the US but also possibly whoever is in agreement with the US or South Korea.
Hows my military logic here?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34796872]Wow you're horrible at getting semi-metaphorical jokes.
The joke is they'd probably gang up on him. The same would happen if the North Korean's attacked the South, they'd get ganged up on by not only the US but also possibly whoever is in agreement with the US or South Korea.
Hows my military logic here?[/QUOTE]
Still flawed, sorry. It's all down to politics. It could end up a rerun of the first fiasco. However is the United States really interested in committing itself to another (major) armed conflict? And as bad as the DPRK is, is it really in their best interest to just annex the South on a whim? As I see it the North have the "Dick waving" advantage here, they can rustle up the South as much as they want, and they can do sweet fuck all about it. It's just a matter of keeping a cool.
It's pretty much like OvB says it's going to be when the Korean War continues. SK and the small US garrison would get their ass kicked soviet-union style, APC bumrush with a million guys with AK's and SKS's, NK would take ludicrous casualties from the forward SK defence line built to slow them down as much as possible, but they will break through. If the waves of T-34's and old T-62 tanks, with artillery falling down like rain on the defence line aren't scaring the piss out of SK by then, all the old-grade soviet missiles surely will.
It will be a bloodbath for SK and also NK until the main US force arrives, and then you will see deathcounts rise up to levels you can't even imagine. US knows how SK will do an attack since the USA army was changed in the cold war to counter such very tactics. Ordenance will be falling from the skies to bomb the waves of NK troops back to the stone age, like they did once before during the Vietnam campaign. Raze entire companies through carpet-bombing and high yield bombs, send in the armored force as spearhead, mechanized infantry close behind.
In short, yes, NK would lose but both NK and SK will have taken losses that would make the vietnam conflict look like a pissfight.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;34793649]Hence why I'm not certain that the NK military could actually pose a viable threat. Just giving the nation a cursory glance, it doesn't look like their military is capable of doing much more than what would amount to harassment. No doubt casualties on our side would occur, and any death is horrible, but from a purely tactical standpoint, I don't think that North Korea has the capability to do much.[/QUOTE]Oh believe me, they can do some damage, just look at the amount of conventional ballistic missiles they've got compared to the amount of ABM systems South Korea has got. Primary ABM system South Korea has got is Patriot PAC-2 GEM/T, 48 of those and 192 missiles for them. Ignoring the fact that the PAC-2 variant, while an improvement over older versions, is still not particularly optimal against ballistic missiles as compared to PAC-3, North Korea has at least 600 Hwasong-6, never mind all the other types they have. They're also rather fond of fortifications, and many of their missile launching sites are in bunkers and such. I can't find the link, but there was this one site that used satellite imagery to locate NK artillery and AA firing positions and things like that.
It's no question that North Korea would eventually lose, it's just a matter of how many South Korean cities near the border they'll flatten with missiles and their larger artillery pieces (contrary to popular belief, only their Koksan guns have the range to hit cities from the border, and they don't have many of those) before then.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;34792075][B]In 10 years war will be a MTV sensation just like teen pregnancy.
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It scary to think that such horrible people can lead countries, and have such great power.
[editline]20th February 2012[/editline]
I'm pretty sure they'd send in some ground troops and other support. We got special forces that are trained to be in places all over the world in no time at all.
Also tell your brother thank you for serving.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;34788022]No. People keep forgetting North Korea has [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops]second biggest army in the world[/url].
They couldn't win the war, certainly not as USA and Japan and others would get involved, but they could still overwhelm South Korea on it's own, big time.[/QUOTE]Too bad their guns are shit and body armor pretty much nonexistent.
South korea has OICWs already issued to troops.
You know, this fucker right here:
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Oh man, It's the HL2 Beta all over again.
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;34801336]Too bad their guns are shit and body armor pretty much nonexistent.
South korea has OICWs already issued to troops.
You know, this fucker right here:
[IMG]http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as98/xk11_2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]A bullet is a bullet, they don't become magically more effective coming from a newer gun. The primary decider of effectiveness is the calibre used; a 1960's M16A1 is just as lethal as an XM8. Even with modern weapons and body armour, in a 10-1 battle you're still going to lose a lot of dudes.
Also, one of the reasons the US dropped their OICW program was because the 20mm grenades weren't sufficiently lethal to justify the massive additional weight and cost to the gun.
And no, SK does not have an OICW system issued to their troops yet; it's still in development. Their troops use the K1 and K2, which are fairly similar in internal design to the M16.
[editline]21st February 2012[/editline]
My point is don't underestimate a foe because they're not using the shiniest modern technology. Out of all the 3 branches of a military, the army is the one where technology is the least important. A plane can outmanoeuvre a missile or jam it, a ship can possibly detect a foe before they do and jam a missile up their arse; but a man will always be capable of beating another man to death with the butt of their rifle, or shoot them enough times that their body armour fails (modern ballistic plates usually withstands 3-4 shots).
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