Wax THC can cause brain damage, according to the DEA in California - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bobie;44068815]to claim it's 'harmless' you'd have to be as dumb as the people who claim weed will give you brain damage. there [i]are[/i] risk factors and there are potential consequences as a result of smoking too much weed. what would you consider an 'unbiased' source?[/QUOTE] I have been smoking it for about 7 years and yes I can say it's harmless, I am an unbiased source

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068831]I have been smoking it for about 7 years and yes I can say it's harmless, I am an unbiased source[/QUOTE] are you the only person on this planet?

Look up endo cannabinoid system, your body has a natural reaction to cannabis. almost as if it were meant to be consumed. weed also provides comfort in those who are physically/mentally ill

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068856] weed also provides comfort in those who are physically/mentally ill[/QUOTE] LOL, giving nutjobs weed is the last thing anyone should do.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068856]Look up endo cannabinoid system, your body has a natural reaction to cannabis. almost as if it were meant to be consumed.[/QUOTE] Checkmate Atheists.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068831]I have been smoking it for about 7 years and yes I can say it's harmless, I am an unbiased source[/QUOTE] Personal anecdote != research This is like the standard pointless non-argument in every internet discussion ever.

I've done my own research into the subject, and I've taken many anatomy and physiology courses in my studies, and I can't understand why people do not think there is any possible way habitually smoking could have long term effects on your brain chemistry. Just because it's a plant, and not meth, doesn't mean it's not harmful. It's a plant that has been cultivated, and manipulated over centuries. The same way that our current modified wheat crops have such high levels of gluten, compared to their natural ancestors, that it is causing long term health problems and physiological effects on brain chemistry (i.e, memory loss, difficulty retaining information and even high levels during development being linked with learning disabilities) and a whole slew of other issues in the GI tract. So to say that these heavily modified and amplified high concentrations of THC has absolutely no effect on you besides a temporary high is plain not logical to me. Keep in mind, I have nothing against smoking, but I just don't understand the push that it's a totally benign and harmless substance. I think it should be viewed just like alcohol, cigarettes, caffeine, totally legal but accepted that you're not doing your body any favors by intaking it. I am sure that in the future that's how it'll be seen.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068856]Look up endo cannabinoid system, your body has a natural reaction to cannabis. almost as if it were meant to be consumed. weed also provides comfort in those who are physically/mentally ill[/QUOTE] almost if it were meant to be consumed? what about[URL="http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/11/29/cannabis-induced-psychosis-may-be-in-the-genes/48289.html"] the gene that is linked to mental impairment [/URL]when consuming it then? or the studies done into [URL="http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/187/6/510.full"]schizophrenia induced[/URL] by it? i would try doing research in unbiased sources in [i]those[/i] fields before you try convincing yourself that weed 'provides comfort to those who are mentally ill'. there [i]are[/i] risks that are associated with it. you'd be disregarding fact to say that it is harmless. however, i'm not saying it isn't a useful tool for helping various types of cancer/bodily disfigurement. i know that already.

everyone will believe what they want to believe, if you want to believe it's harmful that's up to you. I will however continue smoking it because I have read up on the effects countless times and the benefits far outweigh any possible negative

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068931]everyone will believe what they want to believe, if you want to believe it's harmful that's up to you. I will however continue smoking it because I have read up on the effects countless times and the benefits far outweigh any possible negative[/QUOTE] you don't sound very unbiased lol

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068931]everyone will believe what they want to believe, if you want to believe it's harmful that's up to you. I will however continue smoking it because I have read up on the effects countless times and the benefits far outweigh any possible negative[/QUOTE] "Possible" negatives? It's been proven that it's bad for you at some extent, maybe not as bad as the other vices but it's not a magical no bad sides drug for all ailments either.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068931]everyone will believe what they want to believe, if you want to believe it's harmful that's up to you. I will however continue smoking it because I have read up on the effects countless times and the benefits far outweigh any possible negative[/QUOTE] Okay so we went from -"It's harmless because it's harmless" -to you accusing me of not founding my arguments with decent unbiased sources -to you claiming it's okay because apparently, thanks to the decent unbiased scientific research experiment called "joshdasmif" that has been running over the past 7 years, it has been objectively proven that it's harmless -to your point being refuted by -heh- links to actual research -to you saying "screw facts, believe what you want to believe" You're kinda making an ass out of yourself...

[QUOTE=Bobie;44068991]you don't sound very unbiased lol[/QUOTE] oh well, i love the stuff. add imo to the end and it's personal opinion, which it is for everyone contributing an argument for or against it's not a bad drug by any means, i would much rather smoke weed than get drunk which is legal and a lot more harmful. I'm sure you already knew this [editline]27th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Number-41;44069022]Okay so we went from -a vague implication that it being natural makes it harmless -to you accusing me of not founding my arguments with decent unbiased sources -to you claiming it's okay because apparently, thanks to the decent unbiased scientific research experiment called "johdasmif" that has been running over the past 7 years, it has been objectively proven that it's harmless -to your point being refuted by -heh- links to actual research -to you saying "screw facts, believe what you want to believe" You're kinda making an ass out of yourself...[/QUOTE] when did I say screw facts?

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44068856] weed also provides comfort in those who are physically/mentally ill[/QUOTE] So, uncontrollable shaking, anxiety, and sleep disruption is now called "comfort"? I'll be sure to tell that to my psychiatrist.

[QUOTE=tirpider;44069058]So, uncontrollable shaking, anxiety, and sleep disruption is now called "comfort"? I'll be sure to tell that to my psychiatrist.[/QUOTE] i think weed amplifies any current anxiety affect, rather than creates

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44069071]i think weed amplifies any current anxiety affect, rather than creates[/QUOTE] So it may not be a good idea to self medicate then, right?

[QUOTE=tirpider;44069079]So it may not be a good idea to self medicate then, right?[/QUOTE] when is it ever a good idea to self medicate?

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44069088]when is it ever a good idea to self medicate?[/QUOTE] I was just responding to your suggestion that it helps folks when it actually hurts some folks.

[QUOTE=tirpider;44069058]So, uncontrollable shaking, anxiety, and sleep disruption is now called "comfort"? I'll be sure to tell that to my psychiatrist.[/QUOTE] You can ask anyone who smokes, you don't do it to cure some fucking anxiety problems you have through self-medication. If you want something for that, talk to your doctor. Don't be an ass.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44069124]You can ask anyone who smokes, you don't do it to cure some fucking anxiety problems you have through self-medication. If you want something for that, talk to your doctor. Don't be an ass.[/QUOTE] Not being any more of an an ass than the folks saying it's perfectly harmless.

well okay, if you believe you have any underlying mental health issues then you probably shouldn't smoke it. however if you're healthy then i doubt you've got much to worry about if you want to try it

[QUOTE=tirpider;44069136]Not being any more of an an ass than the folks saying it's perfectly harmless.[/QUOTE] It's never caused any problems that I know of. If you've got serious anxiety and shit you should be smart enough to keep away from anything that affects your brain. It's harmless to people who aren't stupid with it.

I'd love to hear stories about drug users consulting with their doctor before indulging in recreational inebriation. I bet they are funny.

[quote]“We have seen people have an onset of psychosis and even brain damage from that exposure to that high concentration of THC,” said Gary Hill, assistant special agent in charge at the DEA's San Diego office. “Our concern is that this is going to spread before we get it under control.”[/quote] I believe the first part of that statement is bullshit, as in "brain damage from that exposure to that high concentration of THC" being largely false, but they are still trying to stop the spreading of some weed waxed with some chemical compound? I don't believe in tripping for a day after a single toke, but waxed weed sounds nasty, and you can probably find this shit in other countries as well.

[QUOTE=tirpider;44069175]I'd love to hear stories about drug users consulting with their doctor before indulging in recreational inebriation. I bet they are funny.[/QUOTE] My doc advises against it just because legally he's supposed to, but I've been p. open with my doc and he never says anything about it hurting me

[QUOTE=tirpider;44069136]Not being any more of an an ass than the folks saying it's perfectly harmless.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=tirpider;44069175]I'd love to hear stories about drug users consulting with their doctor before indulging in recreational inebriation. I bet they are funny.[/QUOTE] Hee-haawwww!

[QUOTE=Bobie;44068928]almost if it were meant to be consumed? what about[URL="http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/11/29/cannabis-induced-psychosis-may-be-in-the-genes/48289.html"] the gene that is linked to mental impairment [/URL]when consuming it then? or the studies done into [URL="http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/187/6/510.full"]schizophrenia induced[/URL] by it? i would try doing research in unbiased sources in [I]those[/I] fields before you try convincing yourself that weed 'provides comfort to those who are mentally ill'. there [I]are[/I] risks that are associated with it. you'd be disregarding fact to say that it is harmless. however, i'm not saying it isn't a useful tool for helping various types of cancer/bodily disfigurement. i know that already.[/QUOTE] I like how your own source cites sources claiming that there is no link in long term symptoms of schizophrenia and that they are only short term. Your own source even states it's temporary and this "induced schizophrenia" it talks about is literally just "they felt very paranoid". Only about a third were actually diagnosed with actual paranoia, and there were even less people that they could use to give a link to cannabis causing severe mental psychosis later in their life.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44069216]My doc advises against it just because legally he's supposed to, but I've been p. open with my doc and he never says anything about it hurting me[/QUOTE] I actually had a therapist recommended that I "just get high and get laid". Then I told her how it gives me the shakes and is generally worse than a trip to the dentist. 3 sessions later I was told there was nothing they could do for me, so.. yeah. Get all shaky and fuck something... that's going to help my anxiety. Sometimes I think professionals aren't very professional.

they'll tell you whatever, so long as they get payed at the end of the day (which they will) they're happy.

[QUOTE=tirpider;44069274]I actually had a therapist recommended that I "just get high and get laid". Then I told her how it gives me the shakes and is generally worse than a trip to the dentist. 3 sessions later I was told there was nothing they could do for me, so.. yeah. Get all shaky and fuck something... that's going to help my anxiety. Sometimes I think professionals aren't very professional.[/QUOTE] It's actually quite fascinating how some people react to it. The vast majority will usually just claim they had mellowed out highs, some will report some paranoia, some will report getting sick.