Mitt Romney - Says no to "Marriage Vow," Stands Alone - Polidicks

As far from what i've heared, Romney is the most sane of the whole GOP group.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31105295]That's because you're a fucking elitist.[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31105366]you can pick and choose crazy parts of every religion mate......[/QUOTE] If you can pick out "crazy parts" so easily, why lend religion any credence, ever?

[QUOTE=Reimu;31107826]As long as his religion doesn't impair his political beliefs, sense of morality and ethics, and his ability to get along with others from a different religion, I could honestly care less if his religion is full of crazy ideas. He won't sign the Marriage Vow, when other candidates who are part of mainstream Christianity will. That should tell you enough about how any craziness of Mormonism isn't found in him as a politician.[/QUOTE] Oh well he didn't agree to one crazy idea, but he did agree to one far, far, far crazier one. Obviously this makes him fit for office. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31110351]If you can pick out "crazy parts" so easily, why lend religion any credence, ever?[/QUOTE] because god meant us to interpret "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money." as "Love love love equality love jesus love".

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31110529]because god meant us to interpret "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money." as "Love love love equality love jesus love".[/QUOTE] Preposterous, I know.

[QUOTE=Earthen;31104619]Fascism is the far-right hence its emphasis on corporatism and violence. You're thinking Nazism, which is barely left.[/QUOTE] Nazism is a development of fascist thought that incorporated an emphasis on racial purity among other things while retaining the economic arrangement of corporatism. That's not the difference between the two. Frankly no one should be throwing these terms around lightly. There's no politician in the running in the US or even holding office that could be described as "fascist" or "Nazis". That goes for the reverse of people throwing around "socialist" or "Communist" around at certain guys too. Romney and the rest of the Republicans, nor Obama and his Democrats, can not be called these things

Nazism and fascism (from 1920 onwards) are both far-right. [i]Edit[/i]: Novistador care to explain why you dumbed me?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31110529]Oh well he didn't agree to one crazy idea, but he did agree to one far, far, far crazier one. Obviously this makes him fit for office.[/QUOTE] Just because Mormons believe things out of the norm doesn't mean they're crazy. Is a politician who practices Hinduism crazy just because they believe in reincarnation, when generally speaking most US politicians are not Hindu? Does that mean, when they go into office, they won't care about human life in war because they feel like soldiers who will die will carry on in another life? No it doesn't. Ethics, morality, and how we view the world come from a LOT of sources. Religion is just one.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31110351]If you can pick out "crazy parts" so easily, why lend religion any credence, ever?[/QUOTE] My point being if you're gonna say "What the heck, Mormons are crazy I can't vote for him!" you should do the same for all Christian politicians. Meaning like all of them

[QUOTE=Reimu;31112423]Just because Mormons believe things out of the norm doesn't mean they're crazy. Is a politician who practices Hinduism crazy just because they believe in reincarnation, when generally speaking most US politicians are not Hindu? Does that mean, when they go into office, they won't care about human life in war because they feel like soldiers who will die will carry on in another life? No it doesn't. Ethics, morality, and how we view the world come from a LOT of sources. Religion is just one.[/QUOTE] it's a little insane to put faith fully into any religion

[QUOTE=Reimu;31112423]Just because Mormons believe things out of the norm doesn't mean they're crazy. Is a politician who practices Hinduism crazy just because they believe in reincarnation, when generally speaking most US politicians are not Hindu? Does that mean, when they go into office, they won't care about human life in war because they feel like soldiers who will die will carry on in another life? No it doesn't. Ethics, morality, and how we view the world come from a LOT of sources. Religion is just one.[/QUOTE] What, you mean like how Christian politicians think the War in Iraq was justified because it was a mission from God? Or how they'd rather pray for the victims of 9/11 rather than give medical care to those that tried to fish out the corpses? Or how they justify the impediment of scientific knowledge with their faith? Do you live under a rock in the ocean? [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;31112935]My point being if you're gonna say "What the heck, Mormons are crazy I can't vote for him!" you should do the same for all Christian politicians. Meaning like all of them[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. Considering that Mormonism is exactly like Christianity with more crazy shit tacked on, you could make the argument that it's slightly more crazy intrinsically. Besides. I don't vote. It's a waste of energy and time.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;31116316]it's a little insane to put faith fully into any religion[/QUOTE] Isn't it a pretty big tenant of most mainstream religions that doubting or questioning the word of their holy book is a bad thing? [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31119285]Besides. I don't vote. It's a waste of energy and time.[/QUOTE] As much of a distaste as I have for the US political system, not voting does more harm than good.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31119391]As much of a distaste as I have for the US political system, not voting does more harm than good.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter. Politics are a game of advertisement and branding, not policy and understanding. Politicians market themselves to people who are naturally easily persuaded. They Market themselves to a Christian, Pro America, Pro military audience, of which I am not a part of. So why should I vote for them? They don't represent me. Any politician I would vote for would never have a chance of winning.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31119563]Any politician I would vote for would never have a chance of winning.[/QUOTE] Here in California I found I could sympathize well enough with the governor we elected in 2010. Most Democrats I see on the ballot aren't too bad, and in cases where they are, I would just vote for the other Green Party or Peace&Freedom Party candidate.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31119563]It doesn't matter. Politics are a game of advertisement and branding, not policy and understanding. Politicians market themselves to people who are naturally easily persuaded. They Market themselves to a Christian, Pro America, Pro military audience, of which I am not a part of. So why should I vote for them? They don't represent me. Any politician I would vote for would never have a chance of winning.[/QUOTE] You know, third parties do often get into smaller governments, like county, city, or state. Also, [url=http://sanders.senate.gov/]the occasional independent[/url] gets in national government. Voting certainly couldn't hurt. Just find the person you agree with the most.

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;31120559]You know, third parties do often get into smaller governments, like county, city, or state. Also, [url=http://sanders.senate.gov/]the occasional independent[/url] gets in national government. Voting certainly couldn't hurt. Just find the person you agree with the most.[/QUOTE] Especially in Vermont. They have a state-wide Progressive Party that has a few seats in the state assembly.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31105366]you can pick and choose crazy parts of every religion mate......[/QUOTE] exactly

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31119285]What, you mean like how Christian politicians think the War in Iraq was justified because it was a mission from God? Or how they'd rather pray for the victims of 9/11 rather than give medical care to those that tried to fish out the corpses? Or how they justify the impediment of scientific knowledge with their faith? Do you live under a rock in the ocean?[/QUOTE] Hmm, and do you see Mitt Romney doing any of this? I'm arguing against the fact that you think just because he's Mormon, his beliefs are going to impede his political philosophy when it's obviously not going to. He said himself that they have NO barring on his political choices AT ALL: [quote]"Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president, not a Catholic running for president. Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith. "Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin. "As governor, I tried to do the right as best I knew it, serving the law and answering to the Constitution. I did not confuse the particular teachings of my church with the obligations of the office and of the Constitution – and of course, I would not do so as President. I will put no doctrine of any church above the plain duties of the office and the sovereign authority of the law.[/quote] You must think just because someone's Christian means that automatically color-codes the choices they're going to make in office. Does that mean Democrats who are Christian are going to be pro-life and call for the extermination of Gay rights too? Most of the people who are Christian spouting nonsense about politics have a lot more going on behind the scenes than just the fact they're Christian. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] [quote] Besides. I don't vote. It's a waste of energy and time. [/quote] Wow. I feel really bad for you.

[QUOTE=Reimu;31130289]Does that mean Democrats who are Christian are going to be pro-life and call for the extermination of Gay rights too? Most of the people who are Christian spouting nonsense about politics have a lot more going on behind the scenes than just the fact they're Christian. [/QUOTE] No, Christian Democrats are more in line with Christian philosophy, and institute programs forcing people to "give" charity to the poor. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] It makes far more sense for Democrats to be Religious Christians than it does Republicans [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] Case and point Canadian Green Party Leader, and Anglican minister Elizabeth May.

yeah I agree democrats atleast from an economic perspective are much more christian

It's strange how conservatives are for Christianity, considering that Jesus told many parables against the selfish and wealthy. Remember the parable of the sheep and goats? Matthew chapter 23, I believe. AHEM. "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god."

Conservative by definition just means "You liked it the way it was, you want to keep it that way". I identify "conservative" by itself as more meaning social conservative, which is really more in tune with Christianity.

Seeing as the bible is some weird duality of being socially conservative and extremely kind, equally contradicting, it makes sense to me that both parties fit into the religious elements of it in entirely different ways. And remain equally contradicting sadly enough.

Isn't Romney one of those nutcases who thinks we need to make public services like fire-fighting privately run? (In other words, if you're poor and can't afford to pay for fire-protection, you're screwed.) Also his views on education are a bit off from what I've seen, things like support for NCLB. He's flip flopped on several issues like stem cell research. [quote] Romney is a strong opponent of medical cannabis under any circumstances. Romney is said to have ignored a question from a man afflicted with muscular dystrophy who confronted him about it on October 7, 2007. Romney has criticized what he calls the "cesspool" of pornography. Romney has opposed ratification of New START, a bilateral nuclear arms reduction treaty between the United States and the Russian Federation,[157] in part because he wishes to deploy defensive missiles on submarines Romney supported Bill Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in 1994, and continued to do so in 2007. [/quote]

I don't believe so. Rand Paul was the nutcase

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31137912]I don't believe so. Rand Paul was the nutcase[/QUOTE] Theres more than enough room in the world for 2 nut cases

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;31137898]Isn't Romney one of those nutcases who thinks we need to make public services like fire-fighting privately run? (In other words, if you're poor and can't afford to pay for fire-protection, you're screwed.) Also his views on education are a bit off from what I've seen, things like support for NCLB. He's flip flopped on several issues like stem cell research.[/QUOTE] Compared to someone like Bachmann though he's a much, much more reasonable candidate. atm he's the only serious bid for the White House from the Republicans.

Old Testament was one of the most progressive books I have ever read, actually. Republicans are going against almost everything written in it. I don't know much about New Testament stuff though.

[QUOTE=person11;31148036]Old Testament was one of the most progressive books I have ever read, actually. Republicans are going against almost everything written in it. I don't know much about New Testament stuff though.[/QUOTE] lol... think you got your testaments mixed up there

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31151033]lol... think you got your testaments mixed up there[/QUOTE] Yep. And jesus pretty much said "Fuck the new testament" yet these people still act as if it's law.