Fuck sake I thougt I'd be able to buy some over the right after I turn 18 when I go.
I'll be old enough to go into clubs, but wont be old enough to drink!
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;42708983]You are free to choose.
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No. Unlike drugs, social pressure does not make it free to choose. I've heard enough of "why aren't you smoking, everyone else is" when I was at school. [sp]funnily enough, now my old school friends are actually jealous of me not smoking[/sp]
[QUOTE=qwerty000;42709571]No. Social pressure does not make it free to choose. I've heard enough of "why aren't you smoking, everyone else is" when I was at school. [sp]funnily enough, now my old school friends are actually jealous of me not smoking[/sp][/QUOTE]
choosing to give in to social pressure despite your personal reservations is a choice
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42709597]choosing to give in to social pressure despite your personal reservations is a choice[/QUOTE]
We're talking about your average smoker who started at the age of 14-16. Does he think that "hey, I could've not done it"?
[QUOTE=qwerty000;42709610]We're talking about your average smoker who started at the age of 14-16. Does he think that "hey, I could've not done it"?[/QUOTE]
at 14 I think that's a more a case of parents not keeping addictive narcotics out of your hands
at 16 it's still sort of a parental thing but you're around the age you should take some level of personal responsibility for your actions, but hey that varies from person to person
Oh and just saying, I tried smoking three times, and every time it didn't stick to me. good for me I guess
Normally I would say that a social problem like smoking needs to be solved through education, not legislation.
But then I remembered the American education system can't even do sexual education properly, let alone explain why smoking is bad for you.
[quote]The new age limit includes electronic vapour cigarettes.[/quote]
yeah those guys smoking water.. that's terrible
Makes perfect sense considering that the legal age for alcohol is 21. Although that should definitely be lowered
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;42709902]Makes perfect sense considering that the legal age for alcohol is 21. Although that should definitely be lowered[/QUOTE]
Both should be at 18. If I can fuck, get shot at, and pay taxes, I should be able to smoke, drink, and shoot guns.
Not all in the same order though, because I am sure some cops would have a word with me.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;42709980]Both should be at 18. If I can fuck, get shot at, and pay taxes, I should be able to smoke, drink, and shoot guns.
Not all in the same order though, because I am sure some cops would have a word with me.[/QUOTE]
This is why I feel really bad for all the 18-20 year olds in the USA. I grab a beer after my lectures without anyone batting an eyelid even though I look 12
Here in Sweden you can legally buy and do just about everything at the age of 18. Even drink in bars. But you have to wait until you're 20 to buy alcohol in bulk from stores like "Systembolaget" which is basically a nation-wide store that is state sponsored where you can buy alcohol.
But you can always find some cheap vodka that's smuggled in from Poland or something if you're not of age.
Smoking feels good man =/
[QUOTE=qwerty000;42709665]Oh and just saying, I tried smoking three times, and every time it didn't stick to me. good for me I guess[/QUOTE]
Good for you, I had my first smoke on a party when I was around 14-15 and drunk. Two weeks went by I bought a cigarette pack for another party, and since then I slowly went from only smoking at parties to having 4-6 cigarettes a day over two years. Quit a couple of months ago but I still occassionly have a cigarette on a drunk or a high or whatever.
Yeah it's pretty damn hard to quit smoking but it's not impossible and unless you've been smoking a pack a day for like 6-10+ years then you really don't have an excuse. If you really wanted to quit then you would. Yes it takes it's toll on you but nobody is forcing you to smoke, in fact it's usually seen as a pretty nasty habit.
I think everything should be done to keep minors from smoking, drinking and do whatever cause minors don't have the knowledge and experience to take full responsibility for their actions - but when you turn 18 I don't see a reason for why you shouldn't be allowed to smoke if you're allowed to drink, and I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to drink if you're allowed to join the army.
[editline]31st October 2013[/editline]
For example Menthol Cigarettes? Ban them, I don't care; they [I]do[/I] mask the smokey taste and that's what keeps a lot of people (especially young people) away from smoking, I don't doubt it. Most youngsters I know who smoke either start menthol or switch eventually. Personally I've always enjoyed cigarettes for what they are.
Good, smoking is a disgusting addictive habit that needs to be discouraged by any means possible particularly in countries with nationalized healthcare where we have to pay to keep your cancer ridden tar filled body alive.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;42710694]Good, smoking is a disgusting addictive habit that needs to be discouraged by any means possible particularly in countries with nationalized healthcare where [B]we have to pay to keep your cancer ridden tar filled body alive.[/B][/QUOTE]
Why do you even bring this up? That's just not the point of a nationalized healthcare system, you can't say "I'm paying for this guy" because that guy is also paying for you. It needs to be discouraged but not because it's economical - doesn't the state get profit on the taxes on tobacco anyway?
[QUOTE=Chryseus;42710694]Good, smoking is a disgusting addictive habit that needs to be discouraged by any means possible particularly in countries with nationalized healthcare where we have to pay to keep your cancer ridden tar filled body alive.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and smoker's disgusting habit pays for your health. Because we buy cigarettes, and tabacco companies pay taxes. A lot more taxes than you do. If you insist on that point of view - then widen it up a bit.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;42710694]Good, smoking is a disgusting addictive habit that needs to be discouraged by any means possible particularly in countries with nationalized healthcare where we have to pay to keep your cancer ridden tar filled body alive.[/QUOTE]
Wait, you're paying me to smoke? Why haven't I gotten any money yet?
[QUOTE=smurfy;42705614]Good thing these age limits are impossible to circumvent
I've never seen anyone under 18 smoking a cigarette[/QUOTE]
Plenty on my school. Even kids who are 16 smoke. I know one that is 19 and has been smoking for 5 years.
I wonder what would happen if Black Lotus ever became available in the real world?
As far as I'm concerned, each to his own. People should understand that there are consequences to all actions though, instead of thinking that nothing's going to happen to them if they do something. It's proven that alcohol, cigarettes and tobacco products increase your risk of getting cancer/liver cirrhosis/fatty liver/atherosclerosis etc. but some people for whatever reason can overindulge to the point of absurdity and yet remain unaffected by the same. Their bodies will show changes of having used said products, but they never die of cancer or liver failure. Such examples, being in a minority, are used as justifications by the majority that 'one little cigarette won't do any harm.' That's where the trouble starts.
I reiterate, [B]I follow an each to his own mindset, doctor or no doctor, but overindulgence in anything is dangerous.[/B] Everybody has their own choice of whether or not they wish to use alcohol or tobacco products, and while I can say that using it won't do you any good, I'm also in no position to tell you what you should do with your life.
[QUOTE=galaxy366;42711602]Plenty on my school. Even kids who are 16 smoke. I know one that is 19 and has been smoking for 5 years.[/QUOTE]
Smurfy's post was filled with sarcasm, I'm pretty sure.
[QUOTE=gudman;42710743]Yeah, and smoker's disgusting habit pays for your health. Because we buy cigarettes, and tabacco companies pay taxes. A lot more taxes than you do. If you insist on that point of view - then widen it up a bit.[/QUOTE]
More money doesn't exactly equal more beds and it puts greater pressure on the health system to treat the many people each year that suffer from health problems directly or indirectly attributed to smoking, I hardly need to mention the biggest cost which is to the families that have to deal with dead or seriously ill relatives.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;42709173]wtf?
If cancer could be stopped, removed or cured before it formed, then smoking wouldn't be a problem either. What a stupid statement to make.[/QUOTE]
Smoking would still be a problem, it has other health issues than just cancer.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;42705619]My state, Alabama, is 19 for tobacco. Shit sucks.[/QUOTE]
Smoking age in Alabama is still 18, purchasing however is 19.
At least I think
[QUOTE=Chryseus;42711781]More money doesn't exactly equal more beds and it puts greater pressure on the health system to treat the many people each year that suffer from health problems directly or indirectly attributed to smoking, I hardly need to mention the biggest cost which is to the families that have to deal with dead or seriously ill relatives.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you're saying and you're kind of right but it's the kind of thing where that goes for everything not just smoking. Anything "indirectly" attributed to smoking is very vague aswell and when you look at studies they vary a lot because they define it differently - for example you can't get good statistics on second hand smoking.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;42709075]Good.
Smoking is bad,[B] too bad that it won't be banned [/B]at all due to the tobacco industry but at least this is a start.[/QUOTE]
because that [B]totally worked in the 30's right?[/B]
[B]Right?[/B]
[QUOTE=J!NX;42712725]because that [B]totally worked in the 30's right?[/B]
[B]Right?[/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe it shouldn't be banned all together but make it less accessable. I doubt kids are going to start dealing tobacco like they're dealing marijuana or drugs or like they did with alcohol in the US when it was banned. The nicotine is hardly worth it.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42707102]if you're worried about harm then alcohol is not much better![/QUOTE]
a little alcohol every now and then isn't nearly as bad as smoking constantly as far as i know
Might be the first time I'm glad to live in Texas
[QUOTE=Suttles;42713798]a little alcohol every now and then isn't nearly as bad as smoking constantly as far as i know[/QUOTE]
What about a smoke every now and then?
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