Palestine wins United Nations statehood bid in landslide - Polidicks

[QUOTE=smurfy;38651118]Must say I'm not impressed with the BBC's coverage of this [t]http://imgkk.com/i/bin2.png[/t] I understand it has to contend with Leveson which is a big UK story, but it should definitely be the second top story. Instead it's about the fifth story, and it's led with a negative headline about it 'hurting peace'[/QUOTE] It does hurt peace, Iseral isn't happy about it therefor peace talks are going to be between the range of no peace and nope no peace

It hurts Israels chances at Eastern living space.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38652134]It does hurt peace, Iseral isn't happy about it therefor peace talks are going to be between the range of no peace and nope no peace[/QUOTE] They're quoting Israel.

i think its about time that palistine gets a seat, but i think its not going to help any, and can now lead to a clusterfuck because the Arab nations can now vote to tell israel to give up it's lands, the reason why the us has blocked attempts before now was because of a belief that this problem needed to be solved in house, with the palistinians and israelis at the table, not in the UN who, lets face it, created dozens of clusterfucks that we're still dealing with today, NK/SK, Pakistan/India, Africa, the UN has had a very very poor track record of negotiating nations and boundries

[QUOTE=Sableye;38653145]i think its about time that palistine gets a seat, but i think its not going to help any, and can now lead to a clusterfuck because the Arab nations can now vote to tell israel to give up it's lands, the reason why the us has blocked attempts before now was because of a belief that this problem needed to be solved in house, with the palistinians and israelis at the table, not in the UN who, lets face it, created dozens of clusterfucks that we're still dealing with today, NK/SK, Pakistan/India, Africa, the UN has had a very very poor track record of negotiating nations and boundries[/QUOTE] I don't know about Africa but the UN wanted to hold elections in Korea and form a single state but the Soviets refused, and the division of India was a British/Indian decision [editline]30th November 2012[/editline] Also I don't know what you mean by "arab nations can now vote to tell Israel to give up its lands". General Assembly resolutions aren't binding anyway and they could already do that

The division of India is a complicated issue. After a civil war and constant feuds, what could you do?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38653225]The division of India is a complicated issue. After a civil war and constant feuds, what could you do?[/QUOTE] Palestine != Pakistan

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38652134]It does hurt peace, Iseral isn't happy about it therefor peace talks are going to be between the range of no peace and nope no peace[/QUOTE] Israel can fuck off

Amen iusehax, Amen.

[QUOTE=smurfy;38651118]Must say I'm not impressed with the BBC's coverage of this [t]http://imgkk.com/i/bin2.png[/t] I understand it has to contend with Leveson which is a big UK story, but it should definitely be the second top story. Instead it's about the fifth story, and it's led with a negative headline about it 'hurting peace'[/QUOTE] Same with the CBC really. And that's only because we've now recalled diplomats from Israel, Palestine and the UN.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38653664]Palestine != Pakistan[/QUOTE] I know. Look at the post above mine.

[QUOTE=Sableye;38653145]i think its about time that palistine gets a seat, but i think its not going to help any, and can now lead to a clusterfuck because the Arab nations can now vote to tell israel to give up it's lands, the reason why the us has blocked attempts before now was because of a belief that this problem needed to be solved in house, with the palistinians and israelis at the table, not in the UN who, lets face it, created dozens of clusterfucks that we're still dealing with today, NK/SK, Pakistan/India, Africa, the UN has had a very very poor track record of negotiating nations and boundries[/QUOTE] The UN by all means did not create the divisions of North and South Korea, Pakistan and India, or even most of the problems in Africa.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38653971]I know. Look at the post above mine.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I was on turboscroll skimming. Didn't realize it was a reply.

[QUOTE=smurfy;38653203]Also I don't know what you mean by "arab nations can now vote to tell Israel to give up its lands". General Assembly resolutions aren't binding anyway and they could already do that[/QUOTE] Furthermore, the Security Council has already issued a resolution demanding Israel to withdraw out of the occupied territories and return them to Palestine.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;38650017]This is why abstain should have been removed a long time ago, All it showed was that the people who would have said no are pussies summary: most of the people who back Israel are being cowards[/QUOTE] I think abstention is there because some nations have divided opinions over the Israel-Palestine conflict. Australia abstained because several members of government and the opposition wanted to vote yes while our PM and her frontbench wanted to vote no.

Not like it matters, the US won't recognize Palestine sovereignty. You can get all the Trinidad & Tobagos in the world to recognize your state, but if the major international players don't recognize you then it doesn't add up to anything.

I find it hilarious North Korea voted yes whilst the U.S. and Canada voted no.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38649660]But there are legitimate reasons to hate nazi's. They're nationalist shitheads who thought Germans were superior to the rest of the Human race.[/QUOTE] Much like how Israels think they're superior to Palestinians and practically steals their land, and oppress them by forcing them into ghetto-like territories? Because that's pretty much what the Nazi's did, before they implemented concentration camps. Bet 20$ on they would've done that too, if it wasn't because even the US would call them out on that. [editline]1st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38658801]Not like it matters, the US won't recognize Palestine sovereignty. You can get all the Trinidad & Tobagos in the world to recognize your state, but if the major international players don't recognize you then it doesn't add up to anything.[/QUOTE] lolRussia lolMostOfEurope

[QUOTE=hehe;38658728]I think abstention is there because some nations have divided opinions over the Israel-Palestine conflict. Australia abstained because several members of government and the opposition wanted to vote yes while our PM and her frontbench wanted to vote no.[/QUOTE] Its good if you don't have a stance one way or the other and don't want to affect the outcome. [editline]30th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;38658832]lolRussia lolMostOfEurope[/QUOTE] Like it or not, the US being the only remaining superpower means their recognition is basically the only one that matters. Just look at Taiwan. Even though the US has said they will protect Taiwan, they don't officially recognize it as separate from China. Some really minor states recognize Taiwan, but they know the US is the only one that matters.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38658845]Its good if you don't have a stance one way or the other and don't want to affect the outcome. [editline]30th November 2012[/editline] Like it or not, the US being the only remaining superpower means their recognition is basically the only one that matters. Just look at Taiwan. Even though the US has said they will protect Taiwan, they don't officially recognize it as separate from China. Some really minor states recognize Taiwan, but they know the US is the only one that matters.[/QUOTE] That's because Taiwan doesn't recognise itself as seperate of China. It believes it is China.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;38660464]That's because Taiwan doesn't recognise itself as seperate of China. It believes it is China.[/QUOTE] Well that depends on which party you ask. The Kuomintang, for example, lean towards that idea of 'one China', whereas the Democratic Progressive Party, which led the government until fairly recently, lean towards Taiwanese independence. [editline]30th November 2012[/editline] 'Taiwan' as an entity doesn't 'believe' things anyway, that'd just be silly.