Sweden admits endemic discrimination of Roma and Swedish hotel denies breakfast to Roma Guest on the - Polidicks

shitloads of blacks are forced into crime to survive, and that's where the stereotype of blacks being criminals comes from, just like way back in the day jews were forced into money lending to survive which is where the stereotypes of them being greedy and all that shit comes from. like i said, it's all just stupid racist bullshit

So you're being a racist now aswell then, since you are doing the exact same thing I am. Explain to me how it is racist to claim they are forced into the lifestyle that perpetuates the bad stereotype because of how they are treated in society. Go on. Enlighten me.

what are you on about? are you agreeing with me or what? stereotypes are nothing to judge anyone by is what i'm trying to say since every race/ethnicity has it's stereotypes and people that judge on stereotypes are racist fuckwits. maybe i've been misconstruing what you're saying

I'm saying they are viewed the way they are because their people is neglected by society and therefore forced into crime. Due to their stereotypes they can't get jobs or sometimes even homes, forcing them to turn to crimes such as for example theft, in order to sustain themselves. Because they are forced into this lifestyle, people are going to associate romas with these qualities, just like your example with the blacks and jews, which is going to continue the cycle of people not giving them jobs or likewise because of their image. It's an evil circle. Yes, I am agreeing with you. It's disgusting. But you need to remember that stereotypes are a thing that develops based on peoples experiences, which is why people put blanket statements over entire ethnicities like this. All of their experiences with Romas have most likely been negative, so they assume they are all bad. Which, I feel like I need to clarify, [B]of course is not true.[/B] There are shitty people and there are good people in every race/ethnicity, it doesn't matter, but that's not how a large portion of the world sees it. Sorry if I'm not being very clear, as English isn't my native tounge.

Perhaps your arguments look less harsh in Swedish, I don't know. But at least here, it seems like you're implying that it's okay for people to hate all Roma just because they've had experience with some bad people. People do form stereotypes based on past experience, but they should put those prejudices beside before saying '[I]all[/I] (ethnicity) are bad/ criminals/ hate our culture/ smell nice/ ANYTHING'. It doesn't even matter if it's a positive thing, because if you take any group of people based on an uncontrollable trait such as race, there will be those who do bad and those who do good. Have you ever considered that maybe people don't experience the 'good' Roma because they don't do bad shit and therefore they're never reported on? This is probably the second article I've ever seen about racism aimed at Roma, and it's the first one I've ever seen that is actually sympathetic. I'm glad that you don't dislike the Roma, because like any other race they are mostly good. But there are a lot of people who are prejudiced against Roma, and this is [I]the bigots' problem, not the Romas'[/I].

[QUOTE=spanaren;44389972]Because he was making prejudiced judgments against swedish people, and claiming it isn't racist because swedes aren't a race, whilst still claiming that being prejudiced against romas is racist, even though they aren't a race either. I was just pointing out that he's a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] Roma is not Romanian. Roma (aka Gypsy) IS a race, Romanian is a nationality. And afaik I actually never made any statements directly nor indirectly addressing the Romani so I don't even know where that came from. [quote]On the topic of the article, I find this somehow hard to believe to have actually happened. I doubt a business would ruin its entire reputation for something this petty.[/quote] Also, have a fucking look. Another Swede in denial. [editline]29th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=spanaren;44390020]Is that really so surprising, though? They're universally known for being dishonest thieves. A lot of them live up to the stereotype because they don't have any other choice because the governments don't want anything to do with them. Because of this, a lot of peoples experiences with romas have been largely negative. Everyone builds stereotypes based on their past experiences, so this bad image of theirs continues in an endless cycle. Of course, like usual, it doesn't apply to [I]everyone.[/I] It does however apply to a lot, because as said, they are forced into it. There have been documentaries made where they even show that some of them raise their children to become thieves because they simply can't get a job to sustain themselves at all.[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ. Yes, the Romani people probably are disadvantaged compared to white races in the many nations that they live in, but starting off your paragraph with "They're universally known for being dishonest thieves" is just pathetic.

I don't really like the "gypsie" discussions on Facepunch. One side is racist, while the other one doesn't understand the problem at all

What fucking idiots judge an individual by whatever group that person belongs to? Go fucking die scum.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;44390144] Also, have a fucking look. Another Swede in denial.[/quote] It has nothing to do with sweden, I just find it ridicolous that an entire business would completely trash its own reputation like this. [QUOTE=Antdawg;44390144]Jesus fucking christ. Yes, the Romani people probably are disadvantaged compared to white races in the many nations that they live in, but starting off your paragraph with "They're universally known for being dishonest thieves" is just pathetic.[/QUOTE] No, it's true. If I ask anyone I know what they think about zigenare, or gypsies, they will respond with something of the sort. That they're thieves, that they're criminals, that they should fuck off. These are the kind of answers that I would get and it's what people tend to think of them. I don't agree with it, you clearly don't agree with it, but it's the truth.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;44390151]I don't really like the "gypsie" discussions on Facepunch. One side is racist, while the other one doesn't understand the problem at all[/QUOTE] Is that implying that to understand the 'problem', one has to be racist? I'd agree with that statement but; it seems that most people who talk about this 'problem' have racist connotations. I withdraw if that is not what you meant, and if I interpreted your sentence wrong.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;44390175]What fucking idiots judge an individual by whatever group that person belongs to? Go fucking die scum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=spanaren;44390187]It has nothing to do with sweden, I just find it ridicolous that an entire business would completely trash its own reputation like this.[/quote] Back in the 50s in the US, businesses wouldn't have their reputation trashed for refusing service to African Americans, in fact it probably had the opposite effect. Sweden may be considered a 'progressive' society, but all I see from Swedes on the Internet is subtle racism, so much so that it doesn't surprise me that things like what happened with regards to the article actually do happen in real life. [quote]No, it's true. If I ask anyone I know what they think about zigenare, or gypsies, they will respond with something of the sort. That they're thieves, that they're criminals, that they should fuck off. These are the kind of answers that I would get and it's what people tend to think of them. I don't agree with it, you clearly don't agree with it, but it's the truth.[/QUOTE] Okay nothing wrong with you and the following isn't directed at you, but if what you say is true (of asking other people) then that's just pathetic.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;44390241]Sweden may be considered a 'progressive' society.[/QUOTE] Honestly I would say Sweden is one of the most fake & two-faced societies.

I believe the Roma would be much better off if we just dumped them in the US by the boatload where they would clearly be welcomed with open arms by the significantly more compassionate people of just about every continent but Europe [editline]29th March 2014[/editline] No seriously, I'm sure every American in this thread would think it a great idea to selflessly offer all Roma a true safehaven from the tyrannical hell that is Sweden

[QUOTE=Antdawg;44390201]Is that implying that to understand the 'problem', one has to be racist? I'd agree with that statement but; it seems that most people who talk about this 'problem' have racist connotations. [/QUOTE] Well, I meant the situation in this thread. Most of the people defending gypsies here do not understand the diffrence between gypsies and other minorities in terms of cultural barrierers and the reasons why they stand out so much.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;44389768]Because nationality = race am I right? If anything, you're being the racist one by making an implication that by being a Swede you belong to a single race. Oh wait that's right, that's what a lot of Swedes want to see though isn't it? But I'm going to withdraw that argument, because you're simply grasping at straws and I don't want to stoop to that.[/QUOTE] Actually what I meant to write was "by YOUR definition" and furthermore, I don't want us to be recognised as a race and I have nothing against the Roma. The point is that the person I quoted (can't remember if it was you) was expressing that he has problems with people who generalize by generalizing himself. Sure I am a Swede and that's part of who I am. It doesn't however make me who I am and that goes for being any other nationality, faith or race to.

[QUOTE=spanaren;44389972]Because he was making prejudiced judgments against swedish people, and claiming it isn't racist because swedes aren't a race, whilst still claiming that being prejudiced against romas is racist, even though they aren't a race either. I was just pointing out that he's a hypocrite. On the topic of the article, I find this somehow hard to believe to have actually happened. I doubt a business would ruin its entire reputation for something this petty.[/QUOTE] it did happen. the ceo of sheraton called the woman and apologized

[QUOTE=spanaren;44390252]Honestly I would say Sweden is one of the most fake & two-faced societies.[/QUOTE] ur racist

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44389773]'that's by definition racist, whereas us assuming all rom are thieving child-prostituting scumbags isn't'[/QUOTE] Who said that I assumed all rom are thieving child-prostituting scumbags? Not me.

It may be worth mentioning that the problem in Sweden is beyond that of a Swedish-Romani minority not being integrated in society. The people building shacks and begging on the street are mainly from [B]Romania[/B] who travel to Sweden due to poverty and discrimination in their [B]homeland[/B]. Due to Romania not taking their responsibility these people come here, set up illegal shacks parks and forrests, pollute and beg. [img]http://bilderblogg.se/c3/hogdalen.jpg[/img] Norwegian video documenting similar problems: [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7b8_1381877800[/url] Their situation is unfourtunate but we have our own problems. Romania needs to take responsibility or leave the EU. Their situation is unfourtunate but we have our own problems. Romania needs to take responsibility or leave the EU.

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[QUOTE=Simski;44390318]I believe the Roma would be much better off if we just dumped them in the US by the boatload where they would clearly be welcomed with open arms by the significantly more compassionate people of just about every continent but Europe [editline]29th March 2014[/editline] No seriously, I'm sure every American in this thread would think it a great idea to selflessly offer all Roma a true safehaven from the tyrannical hell that is Sweden[/QUOTE] We already do and it's going fine.