Sarah Sands jailed for three and a half years for killing paedophile Michael Pleasted - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48790359]She went to see the guy with a knife. The intention to harm was already present.[/QUOTE] No. Its explicitly stated in the article that she didn't go there with the intent to kill him. She brought the knife because she presumed she was in danger. Just having a weapon on you doesn't make a murder premeditated. [editline]29th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;48790346]Human emotion is an explanation, not an excuse. It shouldn't be a reason to reduce the sentence. It was premeditated anyway so you can't say it was a "heat of the moment" thing.[/QUOTE] Except its explicitly stated that it wasn't premeditated? I doubt we're in a position of knowledge that allows us greater insight into the crime then the judge.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48790366]Except its explicitly stated that it wasn't premeditated? I doubt we're in a position of knowledge that allows us greater insight into the crime then the judge.[/QUOTE] So you're basically saying we should reduce sentence for vendettas and similar murder motives? What exactly do you think that accomplishes?

[QUOTE=Killuah;48789918]The fact that you're interpreting posts saying that it's not ok to kill someone as empathy for the victim and using this "wrong empathy" or whatever you're trying to say to kinda justify murder is worrying.[/QUOTE] What is it then, if not empathy? Spell it out. Why do you feel anything over a 77-year-old pedophile who went on a 30-year-long sexual abuse spree against children getting killed after being freed on bail despite having 24 counts relating to his spree against him? Having a problem with the vigilantism aspect could be sensible (and it's actually something I can understand being concerned about), but otherwise, this was a terrible person who died here, and that shouldn't evoke anything except either satisfaction that he's dead and gone or total indifference. Some people are apparently so confused over proportionality though that they're going after the woman like she's literally just as bad if not worse than this man was, when no, she's not and she never will be. Her act wasn't premeditated, and it really wasn't unjustifiable either-- hence the reduced sentence. I think her punishment is fair, I think what happened to the pedophile was a good thing. Makes sense to feel this way. On the one hand, the world is rid of one more terrible person; on the other hand, we have to be watchful against vigilantes because of their tendency to get overzealous and out of control. [editline]29th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;48790403]So you're basically saying we should reduce sentence for vendettas and similar murder motives? What exactly do you think that accomplishes?[/QUOTE] It doesn't unfairly punish people who acted on understandable motives/somewhat justifiable concerns.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48790366]No. Its explicitly stated in the article that she didn't go there with the intent to kill him. She brought the knife because she presumed she was in danger. Just having a weapon on you doesn't make a murder premeditated.[/QUOTE] She was in danger of being attacked by the 77 year old man? If anything, there's the aggravant that she attacked someone who couldn't defend himself.

[QUOTE=_Axel;48790403]So you're basically saying we should reduce sentence for vendettas and similar murder motives? What exactly do you think that accomplishes?[/QUOTE] It encourages criminals who admitted to doing wrong with a reduced sentence. Acknowledging the problem is the first step to rehabilitation. She's not a threat to society, but she still has to be punished.

[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;48787696]I'm conflicted. On one hand, I want to congratulate this woman for ridding the world of a monster. On the other hand, she killed a human.[/QUOTE] Human, monster, make up your mind.

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;48787953]He was a fucking pedophile, woman deserves a medal.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=0x0000000C;48788944]Pedophiles deserve to be hanged in public.[/QUOTE] Spot the sociopaths.

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;48792136]Spot the sociopaths.[/QUOTE] Can't see them sorry

[QUOTE=_Axel;48790403]So you're basically saying we should reduce sentence for vendettas and similar murder motives? What exactly do you think that accomplishes?[/QUOTE] No I'm saying that its quite obvious that theres far more to this situation then we know from reading one article about it. But sure you can continue to shove words into my mouth

Anyone is really saying she should get more? Im glad she killed this scum, he probably never even faced jailtime. Rapists should all die, if they think it's ok to do that type of thing and fuck someone's whole life up, then they should die. There is no exception, forcing sex on someone is one of the worst things you can ever do to someone. This is all justified, i'm glad her sentence was lowered, and she is noble for what she did to help society and her community, hope those three years go by real quick for her.

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;48787953]He was a fucking pedophile, woman deserves a medal.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ Just because someone is an ANYTHING doesn't mean they deserve to die.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48792801]No I'm saying that its quite obvious that theres far more to this situation then we know from reading one article about it. But sure you can continue to shove words into my mouth[/QUOTE] It says in the article that she went there with a knife to make him plead guilty. Then she murdered him. She's the only witness, and she says it wasn't premeditated. I guess we should believe anyone who brings a weapon and then murders someone, but okay. As I said before, I don't want this woman to be in prison - but she's definitely being treated special.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48792955]Jesus Christ Just because someone is an ANYTHING doesn't mean they deserve to die.[/QUOTE] Some do. The world isn't such a dandy place where everyone has a heart of gold at least somewhere deep down inside. There are people so insidious that they will give no second thought or feel any remorse towards hurting another person. What to do with such a monstrous human being whom thrives on the suffering of others? She doesn't deserve a medal no, but neither does her victim deserve any real sympathy. Would be an entirely different case if would have been a non-offending pedophile, then the sympathy would have been called for. But instead he was someone whom acted on his impulses [B]at least 24 times[/B].

[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;48793292]She doesn't deserve a medal no, but neither does her victim deserve any real sympathy.[/QUOTE] Who was offering sympathy because the post you are replying to is calling out those savage weirdos for congratulating her.

Nothing actually excuses murder, period.

Death is the worst punishment that could have been inflicted on him, and not in a dandy "pump him full of morphine" kinda death. A brutal death.

[QUOTE=0x0000000C;48788944]"She killed a monster" "She killed a human" So which one is it? Monster and human aren't the same thing. Pedophiles deserve to be hanged in public.[/QUOTE] i love this forum

[QUOTE=.Lain;48793681]i love this forum[/QUOTE] You probably also love youtube then. You see such stuff every day there.

[QUOTE=0x0000000C;48788944]"She killed a monster" "She killed a human" So which one is it? Monster and human aren't the same thing. Pedophiles deserve to be hanged in public.[/QUOTE] What's that coming over the hill? Is it a human? Is it a monster? What's that coming over the hill?

[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;48792856]Anyone is really saying she should get more? Im glad she killed this scum, he probably never even faced jailtime. Rapists should all die, if they think it's ok to do that type of thing and fuck someone's whole life up, then they should die. There is no exception, forcing sex on someone is one of the worst things you can ever do to someone. This is all justified, i'm glad her sentence was lowered, and she is noble for what she did to help society and her community, hope those three years go by real quick for her.[/QUOTE] This is not the mindset of a well adjusted person. You sound like you have some real issues buddy.

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;48792136]Spot the sociopaths.[/QUOTE] they're not sociopaths because they want child molesters to die lmao. The very fact they're able to feel empathetic for children in these situations should show that I can't say im sorry the dudes dead, but she shouldn't have murdered him and I think the sentence is kinda light, I just hope it doesn't encourage vigilante justice

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48793041]It says in the article that she went there with a knife to make him plead guilty. Then she murdered him. She's the only witness, and she says it wasn't premeditated. I guess we should believe anyone who brings a weapon and then murders someone, but okay. As I said before, I don't want this woman to be in prison - but she's definitely being treated special.[/QUOTE] She went to tell him to plead guilty with a knife, that's threat of violence/murder at best and premeditated murder at worst. She also killed him because he said no and smirked while mentioning they deserve it, not because he did anything that resembled like an attack. At least by her testimony anyway.

[QUOTE=Novangel;48793835]She went to tell him to plead guilty with a knife, that's threat of violence/murder at best and premeditated murder at worst. She also killed him because he said no and smirked while mentioning they deserve it, not because he did anything that resembled like an attack. At least by her testimony anyway.[/QUOTE] Yeah, while it isn't [I]totally[/I] "clear cut" (because maybe she only decided to murder him just then and there, and hadn't even thought about it beforehand despite bringing a knife), I think it's very hard to twist into just manslaughter. Afaik she didn't even have a connection (as in her child wasn't raped by him) to the man, which honestly makes her just a random person. Any parent could claim the same things she claimed. This was vigilante justice - even getting him to confess would've been vigilante justice.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48794020]Yeah, while it isn't [I]totally[/I] "clear cut" (because maybe she only decided to murder him just then and there, and hadn't even thought about it beforehand despite bringing a knife), I think it's very hard to twist into just manslaughter. Afaik she didn't even have a connection (as in her child wasn't raped by him) to the man, which honestly makes her just a random person. Any parent could claim the same things she claimed. This was vigilante justice - even getting him to confess would've been vigilante justice.[/QUOTE] Maybe if her own child was involved I could understand to a degree.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;48791365]It encourages criminals who admitted to doing wrong with a reduced sentence. Acknowledging the problem is the first step to rehabilitation. She's not a threat to society, but she still has to be punished.[/QUOTE] That's not the point, pleading guilty should be grounds for reducing a sentence, sure, but a murder being a "crime of passion" shouldn't.

[QUOTE=_Axel;48794205]That's not the point, pleading guilty should be grounds for reducing a sentence, sure, but a murder being a "crime of passion" shouldn't.[/QUOTE] Why shouldn't it be? Mental problems have always been grounds for a reduced sentence with treatment. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] Excessive emotional response is pretty clearly a psychological problem

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48794212] Excessive emotional response is pretty clearly a psychological problem[/QUOTE] Not in pitbull thread's apparently. ;)

[QUOTE=_Axel;48794205]That's not the point, pleading guilty should be grounds for reducing a sentence, sure, but a murder being a "crime of passion" shouldn't.[/QUOTE] She pleaded guilty, and got a reduced sentence. What you wanted to happen, happened. So what's the problem?