Wikileaks' Julian Assange fears he may face US death penalty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27358293]Haha you're thinking of Switzerland. Whenever I have second thoughts about defending Wikileaks, I remember how retarded the opposition is.[/QUOTE] How exactly is my argument stupid?

[QUOTE='[sluggo];27358336']How exactly is my argument stupid?[/QUOTE] he's australian the espionage act applies to americans

How did they torture anyone??

[QUOTE=MasterG;27357655]It's true. Assange is protected by EU law, in that case, just like Bradley Manning is protected for now since the American government isn't allowed to punish someone without a fair tria- It's only legal if the government breaks the law. Fight for transparency of government, and exposing of corruption: Get death sentence Torture person with no trial in direct violation of founding principles of country: Totally legit.[/QUOTE] He's not getting the damn death sentence. What part, aside from the title, of that isn't clear?

[QUOTE=MasterG;27358445][url]http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/military-torturing-bradley-manning[/url] No bed, no blanket, cold concrete floor 23 hours solitary confinement every day for many months Without any criminal charges being pressed. Completely against constitution, with no fair trial, and inhumane treatment of a "model detainee"[/QUOTE] Although that may be a bit harsh it does not fit under the dictionary definition of torture? "The act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty." Do they have any proof that he is really being held under such circumstances? Anyway, he should have a fair trial and be treated (unless he posses any danger to himself or other inmates) like any other good prisoner.

God damn it I wish someone could go to a judge and try to get a writ of habeas corpus or SOMETHING. I mean, the US is torturing its own citizens. Not that it could do any good if they did have one, since the executive government has in the past and probably will suspend that. At least outrage should be called against this US citizen being locked up in sub-humane conditions without one charge against him.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];27358498']Although that may be a bit harsh it does not fit under the dictionary definition of torture? "The act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty."[/QUOTE]Pain: emotional distress; a fundamental feeling that people try to avoid; "the pain of loneliness" Just sayin that that kind of loneliness can drive a man mad. [B]23 hours solitary confinement every day [/B]Just sayin that that kind of loneliness can drive a man mad.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27358544]No, you're right, total sensory deprivation for 23 hours every day in a bare room with only the most basic amenities, and not even a blanket for months is totally humane.[/QUOTE] Solitary confinement =/= torture. The guy knew tat what he was doing was illegal. He should have been well aware of the consequences too.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27358612]Especially unjustified since he's apparently a "model detainee" and has been entirely co-operative; there is literally no reason to have him in solitary confinement, it is purely a punishment for a crime he hasn't been convicted of yet. [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] He should have known the government would go against their constitution and punish him without trial? This is exactly the kind of corruption Wikileaks is meant to expose.[/QUOTE] He's awaiting a court martial. People can be held before their trial. Happens all the time.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;27358649]He's awaiting a court martial. People can be held before their trial. Happens all the time.[/QUOTE] He wasn't even charged though. You can't be held like that I'm pretty sure, unless a court marshal is different somehow. 7 months isn't what he should be waiting.

Julian is the damn spokes person, he doesn't leak all the shit.

I do not think he should be held under such circumstances. It is not unconstitutional to be held before your trial though. Whatever the USA has done, I assure you that any country in Europe in there longer history has done much worse. How does this: [img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/3105068405_9a69988991.jpg[/img] Stack up to this: [img]http://blog.ratestogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/museum-medieval-torture.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE='[sluggo];27358740']I do not think he should be held under such circumstances. You are right that it is unconstitutional. Whatever the USA has done, I assure you that any country in Europe in there longer history. How does this: [img_thumb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/3105068405_9a69988991.jpg[/img_thumb] Stack up to this: [img_thumb]http://blog.ratestogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/museum-medieval-torture.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] goddamn you're dumb just because it's more psychological than physical doesn't make it not torture

[QUOTE=chewgo;27358693]He wasn't even charged though. You can't be held like that I'm pretty sure, unless a court marshal is different somehow. 7 months isn't what he should be waiting.[/QUOTE] [quote] When a service person has been accused of an offense, the charges are investigated by the accused's commander or — if the charge is complicated or severe — military or civilian law enforcement officials. As with the regular court system for civilians, little if any of the information gathered at this stage is publicly available. After the investigation, the officer may do nothing, take administrative action, impose non-judicial punishment, "prefer" charges or send the case to a higher authority to prefer the charges. "Preferring" the charges is the first step in a court-martial. At this stage, the investigating officer reads the charges to the accused off of a charge sheet. He or she then signs the list under oath before a commissioned military officer. Once charges have been preferred, they are "referred" to the appropriate court-martial. Typically, which type of the three court-martial proceedings the accused will face depends on the seriousness of the charges.[/quote] From the looks of it, he can be held pending/during the process of an investigation. It looks like, in special cases, the whole system can devolve in to a bureaucratic clusterfuck.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27358781]goddamn you're dumb just because it's more psychological than physical doesn't make it not torture[/QUOTE] And now you are arguing with opponents of wikileaks like you said you would not.

But he isnt in the United States.

Even death row inmates do more than that and they are in solitary confinement 24 hours a day. Hell, most death row inmates become skilled lawyers because they spend years and years reading law books looking for loopholes.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27359141]Even death row inmates do more than that and they are in solitary confinement 24 hours a day. Hell, most death row inmates become skilled lawyers because they spend years and years reading law books looking for loopholes.[/QUOTE] At least they have books to read

[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;27359368]"lol we're a bunch of pricks waving our letters with secrets around but noone gets to see them :xd: let's kill the person that lead the organisation instead of the people that threw the letters around!" fuck off, US[/QUOTE] Prusse, did you actually read the article?

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27358293]Haha you're thinking of Switzerland. Whenever I have second thoughts about defending Wikileaks, I remember how retarded the opposition is.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=certified;27357978]Open rebellion commence now. RED JANUARY[/QUOTE] Though they don't bring up any particularly good points, the ones defending the US aren't the only ones with retards on their side.

[quote=masterg;27357913]maybe the fact that people don't question, and outright believe, that the us is going to kill assange is testament to the us' reputation.[/quote] QFT /c

When you uncover the evil of something people think is evil your called a hero. when you uncover the evil of something people think is good you are called evil.

I bet he goes to Guantanamo bay.

Its funny that i could rape children and get way less of a punishment then death. not to say the U/S/ is definitely going to kill him.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27358382]Extriditing him to sweden is harmless, as you said. It's just that most people think Sweden will then send Assange to the good old US of A for a friendly chat, followed by torture, interrogation, and execution... land of the free baby.[/QUOTE] They're not going to execute him officially in the united states. If anything they'll have him assassinated. Executing him will just make them look worse and they're smart enough to know that.

It's funny because you are all reading Assange's fears as indisputable facts...

The US can't touch Assange without backlash. Plus the charges against him in Sweden are because of hilariously misanthropic laws and will amount to nothing

[QUOTE=Ridge;27360558]It's funny because you are all reading Assange's fears as indisputable facts...[/QUOTE] No one reads the article.

[QUOTE=froztshock;27360377]They're not going to execute him officially in the united states. If anything they'll have him assassinated. Executing him will just make them look worse and they're smart enough to know that.[/QUOTE] They're not going to do anything. The country isn't run by Cobra Commander, for christ's sake.

[QUOTE=Lebowski;27348412]The US Gov shouldn't need to panic because they shouldn't have been hiding things. Government is not for profit, yet they treat it like a business.[/QUOTE] They are essentially a business, sort of. Corporate interests have so much power in Washington they might as well be running the whole thing. Anyways, the U.S. is kind of screwed either way dealing with Assange. If they disappear him or some 'unfortunate fatal accident' befalls him, he'll be a martyr. If they basically bully whatever nation he's holed up in to hand him over, the U.S. will look like a big bully. If they prosecute him and give him the death penalty, it'll be interpreted as the U.S. using its power to silence a whistleblower AND he'll be a martyr when they execute him. I think it's way too late to stop the ball rolling, if Assange can't do what he does anymore, someone else will for whatever reason.