Australian One Nation party nominates possibly the worst political candidate ever
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[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41760104]it'd be congruent with your posting history[/QUOTE]
I don't hate Islam nor do I hate Muslims, I would oppose anything that censors and imposes on people who have nothing to do with it. In the case of Islam i.e Halal, Sharia courts in the UK and Not being able to draw Mohammed w/o receiving death threats. I want the freedom to say and do what I want and naturally I would oppose anything to the contrary whether it be religious or secular, aren't those the very principles of Liberalism? I'm fine with Islam as long as it doesn't effect me. Why does that have to be so unreasonable? It's not like I've ever advocated Burning the Quran or Mosques or driving Islam out of Britain. I feel as if you misunderstand my posting history.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;41759334]HAHAHA YEAH SARAH PALIN IS DUMB RIGHT GUYS HAHA YEAH I AGREE HAHA I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK IF YOU SUCK MINE AHAHA
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There's striking a nerve, and then there being locked in a room full of angry martial artists with PhDs in neurology.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41759676]Cutting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death is far less humane.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, how the west kills animals for slaughter just in general is appalling and acting like halal is in anyway worse is ignorant.
"Please explain"
But honestly though, sometimes I do wonder how people as dumb as this manage to be nominated as a electoral candidate. (then again, queensland has been known to have some pretty dumb MP's)
[editline]9th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=DogGunn;41759424]Lucky One Nation has long been an irrelevant party. Bunch of racists they are.[/QUOTE]
there's a few new racist parties springing up (e.g. RiseUp Australia party)
[QUOTE=The mouse;41759838]What kind of Logic is that?
"I oppose Halal"
"OMG HE HATES MUSLIMS"[/QUOTE]
Opposing Halal is anti-Muslim because Halal is an important ritual in Islam. Anti-Islam groups have been trying to cloak bans on important parts of Islam under things such as "humanitarianism" in order to make it have more appeal to the general public (particularly your average American or European liberal) and make their bigotry fly under the radar.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;41759508]This sums up One Nation.
[video=youtube;8SxFc37h6js]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxFc37h6js[/video][/QUOTE]
this is the greatest thing ever created
All of her quotes bring a massive smile to my face, please elect her so I can read many more.
[QUOTE=Ziron;41763332]Opposing Halal is anti-Muslim because Halal is an important ritual in Islam. Anti-Islam groups have been trying to cloak bans on important parts of Islam under things such as "humanitarianism" in order to make it have more appeal to the general public (particularly your average American or European liberal) and make their bigotry fly under the radar.[/QUOTE]
So I suppose opposing Israel is Antisemetic then because Zionism is important to Jews. It's not Anti-Muslim to oppose it just because groups that are oppose it, That's a massive generalisation. Also it's kinda sad that you oppose things that are "humanitarian" because I find creulty to Animals,Women and Gays pretty awful but that doesn't mean that I specifially oppose Islam, because I'd oppose anything that was actively anti-humanitarian or anti-freespeech/Expression, e.g. (Russia, Uganda, China, ect...)
But the difference is that I'm not even allowed to be critical of this Religion like I can of countries just because it might offend them to do so? If I'm critical of Uganda's Death penalty for Gays, would you call me a Racist or Anti-Christian? So Why if I'm critical some things that Muslims do brand me as so.
If I'm Wrong here, please tell me where?
[QUOTE=The mouse;41764128]So I suppose opposing Israel is Antisemetic then because Zionism is important to Jews. It's not Anti-Muslim to oppose it just because groups that are oppose it, That's a massive generalisation. Also it's kinda sad that you oppose things that are "humanitarian" because I find creulty to Animals,Women and Gays pretty awful but that doesn't mean that I specifially oppose Islam, because I'd oppose anything that was actively anti-humanitarian or anti-freespeech/Expression, e.g. (Russia, Uganda, China, ect...)
But the difference is that I'm not even allowed to be critical of this Religion like I can of countries just because it might offend them to do so? If I'm critical of Uganda's Death penalty for Gays, would you call me a Racist or Anti-Christian? So Why if I'm critical some things that Muslims do brand me as so.
If I'm Wrong here, please tell me where?[/QUOTE]
you're wrong because you justified your dislike of islam on a false premise over "halal"
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41764570]you're wrong because you justified your dislike of islam on a false premise over "halal"[/QUOTE]
If you disagree with my example of Halal then that's your opinion but to call it a "False Premise" is just wrong, There are legitimate things wrong with it, it's ignorant just to imply that it's perfect and that any argument against it is automatically wrong. The rest of my Argument still applies too because it wasn't just Halal, What makes Islam so special that it's invunerable to criticism?
What the hell... how can you be so bad... did she even graduate high school?
[QUOTE=The mouse;41764682]If you disagree with my example of Halal then that's your opinion but to call it a "False Premise" is just wrong, There are legitimate things wrong with it, it's ignorant just to imply that it's perfect and that any argument against it is automatically wrong. The rest of my Argument still applies too because it wasn't just Halal, What makes Islam so special that it's invunerable to criticism?[/QUOTE]
no one's implying it is.
No one.
However, that doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want is truth without it actually being truth. in this case, you're not right about halal practices because typical practices are not much different/better.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41764908]no one's implying it is.
No one.
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You are. You say that the example I used was a false premise but it wasn't and I explained why in my earlier posts but you dismissed it by saying that it was outright wrong. I may have exaggerated with the term "perfect" but my point stands
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However, that doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want is truth without it actually being truth. in this case, you're not right about halal practices because typical practices are not much different/better
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But I'm not just saying things. I'm saying what I believe to be true, in the case of Halal it is less humane because in many places where it's done the animals are Conscious, and some Muslims object to Gassing them first, While conventional methods with a Bolt Pistol ensure that the animal is unconscious first. You may disagree with me but to say that Halal is better when there's no need for it is ignoring the facts in the name of some concession that Cruelty to animals is ok if you do it in the name of God.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41764128]So I suppose opposing Israel is Antisemetic then because Zionism is important to Jews. It's not Anti-Muslim to oppose it just because groups that are oppose it, That's a massive generalisation. Also it's kinda sad that you oppose things that are "humanitarian" because I find creulty to Animals,Women and Gays pretty awful but that doesn't mean that I specifially oppose Islam, because I'd oppose anything that was actively anti-humanitarian or anti-freespeech/Expression, e.g. (Russia, Uganda, China, ect...)
But the difference is that I'm not even allowed to be critical of this Religion like I can of countries just because it might offend them to do so? If I'm critical of Uganda's Death penalty for Gays, would you call me a Racist or Anti-Christian? So Why if I'm critical some things that Muslims do brand me as so.
If I'm Wrong here, please tell me where?[/QUOTE]
There's a huge gulf of difference between an opinion on something and a religion's important ritual. Zionism is not an important religious ritual to Jews; neither is anti-gay sentiments in Uganda. Halal is an important ritual and the practice of Islam by any Muslim will be harmed if you ban the halal process for any reason. You may not be happy with the process, but the right to freely practice a religion overrides your disapproval over the process because of how much damage banning Halal would do.
[QUOTE=Ziron;41765300]There's a huge gulf of difference between an opinion on something and a religion's important ritual. Zionism is not an important religious ritual to Jews; neither is anti-gay sentiments in Uganda. Halal is an important ritual and the practice of Islam by any Muslim will be harmed if you ban the halal process for any reason.[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree, Zionism is of Religious importance to the Jews otherwise they would fight so hard to keep it and to get it. In Uganda they see it as their important Religious duty to uphold what they see as the laws of God. In both cases they would see their practise as harmed if you were to remove it from them.
I never advocated the banning of Halal, I just stated that I oppose it and that it should be subjected to the same criticism that any other questionable practise would receive and all ethical questions shouldn't be swept underneath the carpet under the pretense that anyone who criticises hates Islam.
i think we found the one person in australia who is actually upside-down.
Eid Mubarak.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41764708]What the hell... how can you be so bad... did she even graduate high school?[/QUOTE]
Well she has a Queensland education, so no.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41764708]What the hell... how can you be so bad... did she even graduate high school?[/QUOTE]
The only thing they ever covered about religion in school here was "religious education" classes, and they're done by volunteers (in my case a local church), so it was either Christianity or just ignored.
So yeah, an average person going through our school system probably wouldn't learn anything about any religion apart from Christianity, which is a real shame (since it leads to stuff like this, where the person has absolutely no idea).
I really don't get the fuss over Halal.
Halal is literally just Kosher for muslims.
also fyi, halal butchery doesn't rule out using a bolt pistol or otherwise knocking the animal out before cutting the throat and anyway, the prayer said as the animal dies is more important than the exact way the animal dies.
that muslim butchers still don't do it isn't an argument. That's not a fault with halal, that's a fault with the butchers themselves.
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How can you possibly be that bloody stupid?
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