[QUOTE=Red scout?;32485755]Isn't that illegal?[/QUOTE]
I hope so.
I wasant going to sue EA anyways... how does this affect me.
[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32487118]EA Games.
[I]Challenge everything.[/I][/QUOTE]
EA Games.
[i]Challenge Accepted[/i].
Regardless of the legality of this or the willingness of US courts to recognize it, it says a lot about EA and their perception of their power/influence.
Not just EA, but large corporations in general. Even if the courts don't allow it in an actual case, it doesn't change the fact that EA believes it has the right to deny basic rights of individual citizens. Not only does it reveal how powerful and influential they believe themselves to be, but it shows just how much they "respect" the consumers of their product. They always clearly had no respect for their consumers as human beings, but now it's obvious they also have no regard for them as legal entities or the laws protecting them.
I don't understand, do people actually read terms of agreements?
Like, when installing a videogame? Because I've yet to find a reason to read it, it's not like I'm violating the terms in any way by just using the product as intended.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32488685]I don't understand, do people actually read terms of agreements?
Like, when installing a videogame? Because I've yet to find a reason to read it, it's not like I'm violating the terms in any way by just using the product as intended.[/QUOTE]
How do you know that you're not violating the terms if you're unaware of what they are?
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32488685]I don't understand, do people actually read terms of agreements?
Like, when installing a videogame? Because I've yet to find a reason to read it, it's not like I'm violating the terms in any way by just using the product as intended.[/QUOTE]
I have yet to meet a person that fully reads every single ToS they agree to. At best a person will skim through it. As I've said in a couple of other threads, this is intentional. They are written to discourage consumers from reading them before they agree.
As for violating the ToS, that's not really the point here. The issue is that they are attempting to infringe upon the rights of private citizens by throwing in fine-print in a meticulously written article designed to overwhelm and confuse users.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32485697]EA, Sony, Valve, BFFs[/QUOTE]
V-V-Valve does it to?
D:
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YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BY THIS PROVISION, YOU AND EA ARE FOREGOING THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL.
[/quote]
Does that mean if we hack the shit out of their games and release it for free (see: alteriw) they wouldn't be able to sue us for it if we accepted their terms?
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COME AT ME EA, BRING IT, I'LL TEAR YOU APART.
[QUOTE=Ylsid;32489021]Does that mean if we hack the shit out of their games and release it for free (see: alteriw) they wouldn't be able to sue us for it if we accepted their terms?[/QUOTE]
Do it
do it hard!
[QUOTE=Ylsid;32489021]Does that mean if we hack the shit out of their games and release it for free (see: alteriw) they wouldn't be able to sue us for it if we accepted their terms?[/QUOTE]
I think it only stops us from suing them.
[QUOTE=Crawfordo;32489082]I think it only stops us from suing them.[/QUOTE]
"YOU AND EA ARE FOREGOING THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL."
"You and EA"
seems like its "No one can sue no one"
Does this also apply in Canada? Because I'm not sure if it counts.
reminds me of the cheeseburger act where you cannot sue fast food companies.
I barely ever check the TOS when I agree to something, too confusing for me.
Eventually I'm gonna agree to let EA own my arse in return for a few games and I won't even know it.
[QUOTE=Crawfordo;32489518]I barely ever check the TOS when I agree to something, too confusing for me.[/QUOTE]Once again, its written like that on purpose.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;32488825]How do you know that you're not violating the terms if you're unaware of what they are?[/QUOTE]
Because there is nothing to violate if you just buy it and play it?
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32489589]Because there is nothing to violate if you just buy it and play it?[/QUOTE]They will find a way.
They are lawyers, that's their job.
[QUOTE=Demache;32489628]They will find a way.
They are lawyers, that's their job.[/QUOTE]
Implying the EA's lawyers actually go after some individual consumers who have done two things with their products; Bought them and played them.
Nope.
[QUOTE=J!NX;32489116]"YOU AND EA ARE FOREGOING THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL."
"You and EA"
seems like its "No one can sue no one"[/QUOTE]
[quote]
YOU AND EA AGREE THAT EACH MAY BRING CLAIMS AGAINST THE OTHER ONLY IN YOUR OR ITS INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, AND NOT AS A PLAINTIFF OR CLASS MEMBER IN ANY PURPORTED CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING.[/quote]
So if you do pirate a game, they can still bring your ass to court for theft.
[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;32489686]So if you do pirate a game, they can still bring your ass to court for theft.[/QUOTE]
And that would just lose them money in the process.
That's why people are hardly ever sued over piracy.
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;32488262]Regardless of the legality of this or the willingness of US courts to recognize it, it says a lot about EA and their perception of their power/influence.
Not just EA, but large corporations in general. Even if the courts don't allow it in an actual case, it doesn't change the fact that EA believes it has the right to deny basic rights of individual citizens. Not only does it reveal how powerful and influential they believe themselves to be, but it shows just how much they "respect" the consumers of their product. They always clearly had no respect for their consumers as human beings, but now it's obvious they also have no regard for them as legal entities or the laws protecting them.[/QUOTE]
You should swing that bat at Valve first since they've always had it.
Which just shows how much they actually trust PC gamers.
[QUOTE=Niklas;32488914]V-V-Valve does it to?
D:[/QUOTE]
The Valve ToS (specficly the steam subscriber agreement) has various bits about limiting liablity and indemnifying them. Its not quite a "you cant sue us" agreement like EA and Sony's.
god this country's supreme court is such a joke
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32489589]Because there is nothing to violate if you just buy it and play it?[/QUOTE]
If you have no idea what you are agreeing to how can you say there is nothing to violate? For all you know there could be some hidden paragraph about not playing it on a Tuesday or something.
[QUOTE=Jsm;32489779]If you have no idea what you are agreeing to how can you say there is nothing to violate? For all you know there could be some hidden paragraph about not playing it on a Tuesday or something.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.. right.
I'll take my chances.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;32489795]Yeah.. right.
I'll take my chances.[/QUOTE]Just saying, they can put whatever they want in that ToS, and its fair game.
[QUOTE=Jsm;32489759]The Valve ToS (specficly the steam subscriber agreement) has various bits about limiting liablity and indemnifying them. Its not quite a "you cant sue us" agreement like EA and Sony's.[/QUOTE]
Not, its legalise for 'YOU can't sue us" and there is no way to opt out unlike Sony's.
[QUOTE=Demache;32489906]Just saying, they can put whatever they want in that ToS, and its fair game.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, so?
[QUOTE=Swilly;32490107]Not, its legalise for 'YOU can't sue us" and there is no way to opt out unlike Sony's.[/QUOTE]
so what does that mean my english isnt the best
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