Apple bans Blu-ray from Macs: Discs are 'holding us back' - Polidicks

All the lockdown stuff is why I'd never get one of their computers. I like my blu-ray capabilities it actually makes me want to buy movies.

What kind of word is not-great, is that like newspeak or something "DVDs are doubleplusungood" says Phil Schiller [editline]29th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;38239054]I really think Apple & other companies should find a way to produce these awesome USB sticks incredibly cheaply (cause they're currently very expensive) and sell them as 'the next thing' in physical software/movie distribution & ownership. [IMG]http://www.macgasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/mac_os_x_lion_usb_drive_tfufj.jpg[/IMG] Alongside that they should put out a HDMI encoder that can read straight from the USB and feeds it out as HDMI and release that very cheaply as well ($50).[/QUOTE] [I]I seriously do not understand how we still haven't done this[/I] Drives the size of DVDs are nearly obsolete by now (you can get tiny 4GB USB 2.0 drives for $5, and that's consumer price, the price to manufacturers is probably $2,50 or something like that) and they could probably pull more DRM and encryption bullshit with these to keep themselves happy. They could have a weird pinout or use a whole new standard so you'd need to buy a special drive to read them, personally I'd have no problem with that. Hell, they could use ROM memory so you can't even use the drives for other stuff after you're done with the movie or whatever. They'd be easier to store, cheaper to ship, nearly unbreakable, and much faster than optical media.

I honestly think we should move to thumb drives. They are ultra tiny and plug and play, they could easily replace dvd's with a little consumer push. [editline]29th October 2012[/editline] Looks like someone beat me to it.

I suppose you can just buy an external DVD drive, but its still ridiculous, not everyone lives in the city and can download Blu Ray movies and games within a day.. I buy most new games on DVD because it would take me 3-4 days of solid downloading otherwise.

[QUOTE=GameDev;38240015]but they still said the same bullshit about how dvds are the past or whatever when they announced it[/QUOTE] If it had a drive it'd be the same size as the normal MacBook Pro. Ultrabooks don't have drives either, I don't see why you're complaining. You don't have to buy Apple's SuperDrive since ANY external drive works fine on a Mac.

[QUOTE=proch;38237505]Well to be fair, Discs are going to be a thing of the past soon enough, a matter of a few just years even. I don't really remember using my disc drive on my stationary PC more than like 10 times a year at tops, and I'm a huge fan on retail copies instead of digital download. The problem is that not all of the world has a fast connection yet. The moment almost everybody has a 20+ mb/s connection we might as well use our computer Discs as sport equipment.[/QUOTE] Blu Rays are not leaving, because people don't have 15GB+ per movie (depending on the length or decisions by the engineers) to spare

What the hell is with Apple's obsession with making everything so damn thin? I can see where they're coming from for the handheld stuff and the laptops, but why should I give a shit whether that bigass desktop computer is thick or not?

[quote]"These old technologies are holding us back," he adds. "They're anchors on where we want to go." [/quote] [B] Translation:[/B] We cannot feasibly create a hold in that market to line our vaults, therefore we will remove it hoping you will force yourself to switch to one of our alternatives. A money grab is all this is, nothing more, nothing new.

[QUOTE=GameDev;38239425]Explain this Apple [img]http://puu.sh/1keTt[/img][/QUOTE] The bullshit isn't that they have these, it's that they charge almost as much as a [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151251]BluRay Burner[/url] for a dvd burner. Not a BluRay drive, a burner.

While I agree it may be one or two generations too early to ditch discs, I do think it is something that due to the way platforms and devices are changing, will be mostly out of the picture in the near future, and I think eventually someone has to take that step forward to the future, even if apple took it too early

[QUOTE=Tea;38242158]While I agree it may be one or two generations too early to ditch discs, I do think it is something that due to the way platforms and devices are changing, will be mostly out of the picture in the near future, and I think eventually someone has to take that step forward to the future, even if apple took it too early[/QUOTE] That's the weird bit. Apple always take these steps "too early". And just so happen to actually make it the status quo. Look at desktop computing, it's largely due to Apple that IBM and the likes started their affordable computers. Smart phones are quite a recent one too, sure they never actually started the market for it, but they did get it rolling properly.

While all you guys are up in arms against Apple not putting a dvd drive in their computers, I bet you don't say anything about the Nexus devices not having an sd card slot

[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;38242583]While all you guys are up in arms against Apple not putting a dvd drive in their computers, I bet you don't say anything about the Nexus devices not having an sd card slot[/QUOTE] No, people are pretty annoyed at that as well. And the excuse Google used for it didn't exactly fly well either.

They should just use SD cards or something instead of CD's. They are small and can are getting to be able to store a lot on them. They are a little on the expensive side but in time they will be cheaper than dirt.

I'm usually retardedly biased against *most* Apple products but I can see why they don't want to include disc drives by default in their future products. It might just be my impression of things but I've never made any real use of CD/DVD/blu-rays, and they seem impractical and old-fashioned especially when so many people are growing used to platforms like Steam and iTunes that promote digital storage. If someone is willing to spend that much on a Mac and they still make use of discs I'm sure they can afford a drive on the side.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38237282]Use Netflix.[/QUOTE] I use both netflix AND DVDs, since netflix has hardly any good movies.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;38242425]That's the weird bit. Apple always take these steps "too early". And just so happen to actually make it the status quo. Look at desktop computing, it's largely due to Apple that IBM and the likes started their affordable computers. Smart phones are quite a recent one too, sure they never actually started the market for it, but they did get it rolling properly.[/QUOTE] But blu ray cannot be replaced yet

I can't be bothered to buy a new hard drive every time I run out of space for shit. I'll stick to discs for now. [editline]29th October 2012[/editline] Plus my car can only play CDs.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38243450]But blu ray cannot be replaced yet[/QUOTE] No, that's still true. Apple have never really caused a conversion in technologies, merely made them more prolific. I can't see this impacting much really, but damn I want flash based media to be big now.

Blu-Ray specifically, I actually view this as a good thing. Blu-Ray is a ridiculously locked down format - you can only watch the movies with certain software (like PowerDVD), and sometimes you need to rebuy a newer version of it to watch movies with new kinds of DRM. If I pay extra to have a Blu-Ray drive in my computer, I should be able to use it however I like - for example, I use XBMCBuntu (formerly XBMC Live) for my HTPC setup, the kind of thing where Blu-Ray is most needed. The Linux solutions for Blu-Ray are extremely lacking, and not always able to watch the latest movies due to new forms of DRM. They do try, but under such restrictive conditions, they can't do much more. Fuck Blu-Ray and its shit. It needs to die and be replaced with a format we can [i]actually use[/i].

This is so stupid How on earth is the internet supposed to replace 50GB discs with full 1080p video? How at all are those discs useless? They're one of the best new technological inventions to date. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=latin_geek;38240360]What kind of word is not-great, is that like newspeak or something "DVDs are doubleplusungood" says Phil Schiller [editline]29th October 2012[/editline] [I]I seriously do not understand how we still haven't done this[/I] Drives the size of DVDs are nearly obsolete by now (you can get tiny 4GB USB 2.0 drives for $5, and that's consumer price, the price to manufacturers is probably $2,50 or something like that) and they could probably pull more DRM and encryption bullshit with these to keep themselves happy. They could have a weird pinout or use a whole new standard so you'd need to buy a special drive to read them, personally I'd have no problem with that. Hell, they could use ROM memory so you can't even use the drives for other stuff after you're done with the movie or whatever. They'd be easier to store, cheaper to ship, nearly unbreakable, and much faster than optical media.[/QUOTE] They're too small to be commercial. People who are buying a product want something bigger, something they can hold without the fear of losing, something of substance. Can you imagine the film cover for those things? It'd either be huge with a tiny thing inside or a tiny baby packet. Most people aren't gonna want to shell out money for "such a tiny little thing".

What a surprise, everyone flipping their shit even though i doubt 50% of the people whining even have blu ray players [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] Whoops I missed apple in the title, what a stupid idea greedy cunts etc

My optical drive on my laptop is broken. But, it never bothered me, because I never needed it ^^

I understand that a lot of people don't use discs at all but when you buy a 2000$ computer you should at least have the option for it to include a DVD drive.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;38242583]While all you guys are up in arms against Apple not putting a dvd drive in their computers, I bet you don't say anything about the Nexus devices not having an sd card slot[/QUOTE] Do I [B]REALLY[/B] have to bitch some more about the lacking SD card slot? I've stretched my quota already.

Windows 8 doesn't read dvd's either, so how the fk do I install windows 9 from a dvd then?

[QUOTE=squids_eye;38236835]I look forward to the day when we don't need discs but we haven't gotten there yet.[/QUOTE] We have, it's just that US+UK+Australia haven't. I haven't bought a single movie or song in physical form in 6 years. I've bought a couple of games, but I've just activated the CD-key and thrown the case it into a random corner of the room. I've installed operating systems from USB devices for like the past 5-6 years too. What other tasks can discs really do? Nothing really.

Great and all, but you don't see Blockbuster renting out Hard Drives with movies on them do you? Oh wait you sort of do. They're called discs. Let me tell you something Apple. Everything Man Made will break, and they aren't large. Do you people even see reality anymore?

Am I the only one that often uses DVDs/CDs to back up really important data. Stuff that I can't risk losing in a HDD failure, which is why I can't put it on an external/NAS drive. I still feel CD/DVD drives have their uses.

[QUOTE=nikomo;38246517]We have, it's just that US+UK+Australia haven't.[/QUOTE] And until they do, don't expect it to happen. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Adzter;38246541]Am I the only one that often uses DVDs/CDs to back up really important data. Stuff that I can't risk losing in a HDD failure, which is why I can't put it on an external/NAS drive. I still feel CD/DVD drives have their uses.[/QUOTE] optical disks and also degrade, and scratch the label side and they're useless