Swedish Cinemas Launch New Film Rating for Female Representation - Polidicks

Was Fred in I Am Legend a woman? I think Wolsmith's dog was. And his dog barks at fred. So maybe it passes. I am not fluent enough in dog to know if she was talking about a man or not.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;42781904]They mean main characters. Even she was essentially just turned into a useless love interest in the films. Not that I think the test isn't a crock of shit in more than a couple cases, but yeah fellowship does fail it if you are only counting the main characters. Even if you include side characters they never talk to eachother. As I said, I find tests like this to be jokes. Even if the intentions aren't ridiculous, and that's open to debate, so many completely legitimate non sexist reasons exist that the test has no value. If it is taken seriously it will essentially by definition limit what you can create. I'm sorry, but I find that to be incredibly fucking stupid. I'd rather look for a solution to sexism/perceived sexism in films that doesn't completely crush certain topics.[/QUOTE] The test in itself wasn't designed as some end all test int he first place. It was essentially something to bring attention to the point that there are incredibly few female characters in shows and movies who aren't defined more by the male characters. It's not as much an indicator of sexism or lack of it, but it's a smalish issue with cinematography overall. You can have an incredibly otherwise sexist movie that passes the bechdel test and likewise a complete opposite that doesn't pass it. [QUOTE=Virtanen;42785579]The Witcher 2 passes this test :v:[/QUOTE] Not really that surprising. I can recall at least one part that certainly passes it - the council of sorecesses that is discussing the political state. ANd I think there were a few extra scenes where you had women talk about what is going on without talking about any specific man.

What if Gimli actually was a female dwarf, because you know, male and female dwarfs are indistinguishable

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;42784084]Gravity would like to have a word with you.[/QUOTE] There are exceptions. And Gravity is actually one of the films I'm looking forward to watch on cinema.

I am still not getting how this is controversial. They should have this in every country. Maybe we will start to see movies that actually represent the people? The ones who are not white upper class guys?

[QUOTE=Pelican;42783986]criticism for the sake of criticism is about as useful and relevant as a decomposing bird[/QUOTE] It's pretty insulting to suggest that the criticism of the widespread use of unrealistic and banal female characters is a meaningless criticism tbh If you're a man it might not seem important or even really be noticeable but try to walk in someone else's shoes for a while

[QUOTE=person11;42795132]I am still not getting how this is controversial. They should have this in every country. Maybe we will start to see movies that actually represent the people? The ones who are not white upper class guys?[/QUOTE] it's not a good rating system because it's using the dechbel test for something it wasn't designed to be used for. the dechbel test isn't meant to rate individual movies.

If they used the test in a survey that went over all the different types of films and then posted the results in a PSA in cinemas and such the world over, it'd be a billion times better. They wouldn't even have to give a percentage, they could just go, "out of the 50,000 films tested, only 1,xxx passed" or something and it'd hit fucking hard on everyone who was watching.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42795333]it's not a good rating system because it's using the dechbel test for something it wasn't designed to be used for. the dechbel test isn't meant to rate individual movies.[/QUOTE] True. I like the concept of rating movies for inclusiveness though. Coming up with another way of measuring inclusiveness/representation should not be too hard. The Bechnel test was mostly made to show how women were used in movies: talked to, or about men, and rarely with other women.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42795214]It's pretty insulting to suggest that the criticism of the widespread use of unrealistic and banal female characters is a meaningless criticism tbh If you're a man it might not seem important or even really be noticeable but try to walk in someone else's shoes for a while[/QUOTE] but aren't there a lot of other groups that are underrepresented / written cliche a lot?

[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;42795407] They wouldn't even have to give a percentage, they could just go, "out of the 50,000 films tested, only 1,xxx passed" or something and it'd hit fucking hard on everyone who was watching.[/QUOTE] I think you're overstating how much this information would affect a regular movie goer.

[QUOTE=person11;42795132] Maybe we will start to see movies that actually represent the people? The ones who are not white upper class guys?[/QUOTE] apparently hollywood trash are the only movies that exist in the entirety of the universe another quality post from our favorite white boy person11

[QUOTE=person11;42795658]True. I like the concept of rating movies for inclusiveness though. Coming up with another way of measuring inclusiveness/representation should not be too hard. The Bechnel test was mostly made to show how women were used in movies: talked to, or about men, and rarely with other women.[/QUOTE] The only way you can do that for individual films is to just rely on written criticism and reviews and such that go in-depth. How and why certain characters are included in individual films is way too specific for a rigid rating system. I don't think it should be included in the overall quality rating of a film, either, because inclusiveness doesn't (tend) to have shit to do with the quality of a script and effects and all that. [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;42795678]I think you're overstating how much this information would affect a regular movie goer.[/QUOTE] Usually when people get slapped in the face with big numbers they tend to get the point, though. If they can't acknowledge it when it is pushed right up to their nose then I doubt anything short of something directly affecting them would make them aware about it.

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;42795689]apparently hollywood trash are the only movies that exist in the entirety of the universe another quality post from our favorite white boy person11[/QUOTE] 'Hollywood trash' is what most people watch. Those movies are what need to be inclusive more than any others because people watch them more frequently. It sounds dumb but if the casts of generic action movies with no plot or developed characters were ultra diverse and did not use any stereotypes when acting, out society would instantly become a thousand times better.

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;42795664]but aren't there a lot of other groups that are underrepresented / written cliche a lot?[/QUOTE] Of course, basically every minority has to deal with caricatures of themselves being overused in pop culture but with men and women we're dealing with a literal 50/50 split in population. It's not more important that women are represented respectfully than, for example, gay people or the disabled, but given that they're half the world's population is just more striking that it's still as bad as it is.

As a guy I'm shit at writing women. So I can sympathize with male writers who have a much easier time writing males. IDK, I feel this entire thing is stupid, there are male characters and there are female characters. Some movies need more of one side than the other and they shouldn't be balanced for 'equality'.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42781840]There was an Elf lady wasn't there? The Elven King's daughter I think? Plus Galadriel in Lothlorien, who gave them boats and cloaks and shit.[/QUOTE] There are female characters, they just aren't part of the main lead. There's also that infamous woman who beats the witch king with the power of ovaries. I do think the criterias are a bit odd in my opinion, this is not going to bring anything good to the industry. This isn't even going to bring anything at all, it's such a silly concept no serious filmmaker or scriptwriter will bother respecting it.