[QUOTE=biodude94566;40565623]The article said he's 29 now.[/QUOTE]
Age doesn't matter, fuck something up and you're done for the rest of your life. Hell, I wonder how many suicides are caused by sex registries because of the mental pain inflicted.
[QUOTE=biodude94566;40565623]The article said he's 29 now.[/QUOTE]
I really should read things to the end, apparently he dropped out of college because campus security was tailing him. That's not justice, that's just depressing.
Outrageous, this look like nothing more than playing doctor.
[QUOTE]Most states include people who've committed any of a range of offenses that can include heinous crimes like rape but also less extreme ones—say, consensual sex between teenagers—and even, in some cases, relatively innocuous behavior like streaking on a college campus or urinating in public.[/QUOTE]
wow
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40564912]I surprised that's not how the politicians and corporations have been marketing SOPA/Cispa, etc.[/QUOTE]
They -have- done that already.
I once met a sex offender.
he was sentenced for indecent assault (which is like assault of a sexual nature.)
His crime was for manipulating and molesting his daughter for YEARS.
and you know what?
he was one of the [I]nicest[/I] people i have ever met... ever had the pleasure, of meeting.
some of the things he said changed my life for the better.
so yeah, totally agree, not ALL of them are monsters.
while the crime they did commit IS serious and should not be downplayed they shouldn't all have to carry that mark of being monsters
that's my personal veiw
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;40565681]I once met a sex offender.
he was sentenced for indecent assault (which is like assault of a sexual nature.)
His crime was for manipulating and molesting his daughter for YEARS.
and you know what?
he was one of the [I]nicest[/I] people i have ever met... ever had the pleasure, of meeting.
some of the things he said changed my life for the better.
so yeah, totally agree, not ALL of them are monsters.
while the crime they did commit IS serious and should not be downplayed they shouldn't all have to carry that mark of being monsters
that's my personal veiw[/QUOTE]
The idea no one can grow or change or become better is holding down a lot of people
it's really dumb and unwarranted. Harsher treatment of criminals doesn't make less criminals. It causes the criminals that will exist anyways statistically to become worse criminals as they have less chance to redeem themselves in any meaningful way.
There really be some more than just the 'sex offender' label. People like this (even though I don't think this particular guy should be on the registry, but it is what it is) should get a different label, such as a 'Minor sex offender' as opposed to rapists, and child molesters who should be labeled 'Major sex offenders'.
I live across the street from somebody who is registered as a sex offender. He's a pretty cool guy and I'd say he's actually innocent. His ex-wife was a bitch and I wouldn't be surprised if she framed him.
[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40564736]There's no such thing as a monster anyway, just somebody fucked by their own circumstances.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy"]ahem[/URL]
Who the fuck was the judge who ruled on this case?Like, how much of a cunt do you have to be
[QUOTE=Griffster26;40566044][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy"]ahem[/URL][/QUOTE]
uhh is that supposed to refute his point? because it actually supports it. you only have to read a brief background to realize he's extremely mentally damaged and did not have a very good childhood. it's not like he killed a bunch of people out of a conscious decision.
[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40564736]There's no such thing as a monster anyway, just somebody fucked by their own circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Humans are capable, and do comit, horrible evils in this world.
Which is the exact reason the humanistic view of people is very shady, because people can be "monsters", people aren't always inherently good.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;40565681]I once met a sex offender.
he was sentenced for indecent assault (which is like assault of a sexual nature.)
His crime was for manipulating and molesting his daughter for YEARS.
and you know what?
he was one of the [I]nicest[/I] people i have ever met... ever had the pleasure, of meeting.
some of the things he said changed my life for the better.
so yeah, totally agree, not ALL of them are monsters.
while the crime they did commit IS serious and should not be downplayed they shouldn't all have to carry that mark of being monsters
that's my personal veiw[/QUOTE]
In your situation, the man molested his daughter for YEARS. I could understand your view of him if this was a one-time thing, but he let this progress for YEARS.
I hate to tell you this, Facepunch, but people who appear nice aren't like that around everyone. There may be a select view cases such as the OP, but cases where the abuse takes place for years clearly show that something is wrong with a person, and having that label of a sex-offfender is for the safety of the public at that point.
[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40564736]There's no such thing as a monster anyway, just somebody fucked by their own circumstances.[/QUOTE]
No, some people are just evil and commit monstrous acts without any good intentions.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;40566044][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy"]ahem[/URL][/QUOTE]
Read the article next time.
[QUOTE=wari65;40566219]Humans are capable, and do comit, horrible evils in this world.
Which is the exact reason the humanistic view of people is very shady, because people can be "monsters", people aren't always inherently good.[/QUOTE]
I never said people are inherently "good" because you cannot define what "good" is. Is good trying you best to do what you think is right? Because by that logic Hitler was "good". Is "good" obeying a generic set of social norms and morals? If so, you must realize that many people cannot follow these morals because of the circumstances they are born into. You think this guy was just an evil kid for no reason? Like, he just one day grew horns and though "I will molest my sister because ima bad guy" or that he came out of the womb with evil intentions? Do you think serial killers just kill people because "they're evil"? No, nobody acts of their own accord. People are only victims of their circumstance. As with the Ted Bundy case posted before, he had a very fucked up childhood. Lots of other people considered "evil" suffered similar experiences. Lots of these people just get labeled as bad guys because of shit that is out of their control?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40566232]No, some people are just evil and commit monstrous acts without any good intentions.[/QUOTE]
You're naive.
All cases should be judged on a case-by-case basis and evaluated for maliciousness and intent to cause harm.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40566232]No, some people are just evil and commit monstrous acts without any good intentions.[/QUOTE]
So you think that there are people out there who actively think and plan about doing something, they themselves consider evil and wrong?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40564860]The list is becoming meaningless. This case , 18 year olds having sex with 17 year olds and people who molest 4 year olds are all thrown into the same pile.[/QUOTE]
No, because the law has an "age buffer". The age difference must be greater than 4 years when a minor is involved IIRC.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40566736]No, because the law has an "age buffer". The age difference must be greater than 4 years when a minor is involved IIRC.[/QUOTE]
Usually laws determining age of consent and what not are state decided, no?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40566681]So you think that there are people out there who actively think and plan about doing something, they themselves consider evil and wrong?[/QUOTE]
You think there isnt? There are people out there who know what they are going to do is wrong, and still do it.
Stop generalizing that everyone who has ever done something terrible is a victim of circumstance
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;40566756]You think there isnt? There are people out there who know what they are going to do is wrong, and still do it.
Stop generalizing that everyone who has ever done something terrible is a victim of circumstance[/QUOTE]
I'm not doing that
I'm trying to say that moral relativism being what it is, those people don't think they, themselves, are evil
stop generalizing
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40566773]I'm not doing that
I'm trying to say that moral relativism being what it is, those people don't think they, themselves, are evil
stop generalizing[/QUOTE]
Some people do think they are evil, and some do not.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;40566795]Some people do think they are evil, and some do not.[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
i find it hard to believe people won't, don't or can't, have their own justifications for their actions that makes them acceptable to those people
because if they didn't, they wouldn't do things
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40566803][citation needed]
i find it hard to believe people won't, don't or can't, have their own justifications for their actions that makes them acceptable to those people
because if they didn't, they wouldn't do things[/QUOTE]
Maybe their justification is "because I want to"?
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40566812]Maybe their justification is "because I want to"?[/QUOTE]
"because I want to" doesn't end at "because I want to".
There are reasons people do things
our understanding of their reasons isn't relevant, there are their own reasons.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40566825]"because I want to" doesn't end at "because I want to".
There are reasons people do things[/QUOTE]
Not really. If you enjoy something and it doesn't hurt you, there's no logical reason not to do it.
Shouldn't it have been the parent's faults for not supervising the kids properly or not getting proper help? Also, kids are just curious and most are clueless to the actual circumstances to this stuff and what it does.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40566825]"because I want to" doesn't end at "because I want to".
There are reasons people do things
our understanding of their reasons isn't relevant, there are their own reasons.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me more about how you know everything about how everyone thinks.
People can do things because they want to, or because they can. They can also do it for a deep reason. Seriously, everyone is different, and not everyone needs a reason.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40566842]Not really. If you enjoy something and it doesn't hurt you, there's no logical reason not to do it.[/QUOTE]
you just admitted there is a reason to doing it and didn't realize it
right?
because enjoying something is a reason
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40566852]you just admitted there is a reason to doing it and didn't realize it
right?
because enjoying something is a reason[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between a reason and a justification.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;40566850]Please tell me more about how you know everything about how everyone thinks.
People can do things because they want to, or because they can. They can also do it for a deep reason. Seriously, everyone is different, and not everyone needs a reason.[/QUOTE]
I love how you're telling me it's ridiculous that people don't make up their own reasons to do things
okay pal
[editline]7th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40566858]There's a difference between a reason and a [B]justification[/B].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40566803][citation needed]
i find it hard to believe people won't, don't or can't, have their own [B]justifications[/B] for their actions that makes them acceptable to those people
because if they didn't, they wouldn't do things[/QUOTE]
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