Trump says he’ll copy the attacks Bernie used against Hillary - Polidicks

[QUOTE=orgornot;50230924]Hahaha now this is just hilarious (no pun intended). So according to hillary voters Trump has been suing his way to the nomination. People are sick and tired of all the established politicians doing absolutely nothing for them and just representing their donors and special interests. In 10 months he became the front-runner of one of the largest political parties in the world because the people like him. Donald Trump will represent the people because he isn't bought out by big banks and corporations (which crooked hillary is).[/QUOTE] Trump is popular because he's a populist, he says what his voter base wants to hear. Virtually everyone outside of his voter base can't stand him. If you honestly think he doesn't have any special interests you're delusional.

[QUOTE=The Duke;50228585]It should be interesting to see what happens this election when likely record numbers of people will apathetically refrain from voting and thus leave the election at the hands of those unaware of the size of their own actions on both sides.[/QUOTE] I'd wager people will vote more this time around, or it'll just stay around the average, which was around 45-50% voter turnout iirc.?

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50233588]I'd wager people will vote more this time around, or it'll just stay around the average, which was around 45-50% voter turnout iirc.?[/QUOTE] According to Wikipedia, it's slightly higher than that [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections[/url] Which surprised me, I thought it was more around 35%

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50231149]*graphs*[/QUOTE] Seriously, did you even read your own graphs? He has nearly 50% of all republican minorities. The others are probably just currently cruz/kasich supporters. And surprisingly he has nearly 20% of all democratic minorities when he hasn't even started campaigning for them yet. I'd say this just further proves Trump's gonna win this whole thing.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50234783]Seriously, did you even read your own graphs? He has nearly 50% of all republican minorities. The others are probably just currently cruz/kasich supporters. And surprisingly he has nearly 20% of all democratic minorities when he hasn't even started campaigning for them yet. I'd say this just further proves Trump's gonna win this whole thing.[/QUOTE] 50% of not much is half of not much. 20% of Democratic minorities are not much either. Keep telling yourself he's "got the minority vote" though.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50234788]50% of not much is half of not much. 20% of Democratic minorities are not much either.[/QUOTE] So suddenly minority votes are "not much" and are irrelevant. The numbers say that Trump has them either way. Because these are people. They know they are voting for the only candidate who will actually represent them.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50234783]Seriously, did you even read your own graphs? He has nearly 50% of all republican minorities. The others are probably just currently cruz/kasich supporters. And surprisingly he has nearly 20% of all democratic minorities when he hasn't even started campaigning for them yet. I'd say this just further proves Trump's gonna win this whole thing.[/QUOTE] i'm not sure what world you're living in, you're basically saying hitler would have the jewish vote. yes i am comparing an openly fascist candidate to a fascist monster, its not a strawman argument, scapegoating minorities has historically only lead to their persecution. regan did it with the gays, the republicans have done it with the muslims, and trump is doing it with litterally everybody who's not white

[QUOTE=Sableye;50234942]i'm not sure what world you're living in, you're basically saying hitler would have the jewish vote. yes i am comparing an openly fascist candidate to a fascist monster, its not a strawman argument, scapegoating minorities has historically only lead to their persecution. regan did it with the gays, the republicans have done it with the muslims, and trump is doing it with litterally everybody who's not white[/QUOTE] Trump is not a fascist but ok believe what you want to believe.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50234953]Trump is not a fascist but ok believe what you want to believe.[/QUOTE] 1)he wants to unilaterally use the military to deport 11 million people from this country 2)then proceed with an agressive america-first foreign policy 3)his platform is built on jingoism such as "making america great" and "restoring what we have lost" 4)he openly accuses minorities of being the problem with america, and his followers are beating them at his rallies 5)torture enemies of the state 6)ban certain ethnicity from entering the country 7)promises to restore jobs and industries to their former glory presumably through direct government intervention 8)promises extreme protectivism in the economy 9)and promises to cut the heads off our enemies and suck out their oil how is he not fascist again ms. hitler?

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50234953]Trump is not a fascist but ok believe what you want to believe.[/QUOTE] I believe he has authoritarian tendencies and may be inspired by fascism, but full blown? Not really. Oh you know how SJW been overused and lost its edge? Same with the word fascist.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50234927]So suddenly minority votes are "not much" and are irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Except that's not at all what he said. He said half of the pro-republican minorities is not much. That's like, maybe a total of 15% of the minority vote, and even that's probably generous.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50234927]So suddenly minority votes are "not much" and are irrelevant. The numbers say that Trump has them either way. Because these are people. They know they are voting for the only candidate who will actually represent them.[/QUOTE] You keep talking about how he's got the votes but have yet to provide any evidence. I've done so already, where's your evidence that majority of black voters (whom are party-line voting Democrats) will somehow vote for Trump over Clinton, the one candidate that has a bedrock in the black vote for her campaign?

[QUOTE=Sableye;50234961]1)he wants to unilaterally use the military to deport 11 million people from this country [/QUOTE] If I had people illegally in my country I would want them out too, not sure why that is a bad thing, and doesn't make him a fascist. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 2)then proceed with an agressive america-first foreign policy [/QUOTE] Not. Fascism. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 3)his platform is built on jingoism such as "making america great" and "restoring what we have lost" [/QUOTE] His platform is built on phrases that are catchy and memorable, which is something that all politicians aim to do. Patriotism is not fascism either. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 4)he openly accuses minorities of being the problem with america, and his followers are beating them at his rallies [/QUOTE] He accuses illegal minorities of being a problem with America. I have never seen a single article about minorities being beaten at his rallies, not sure what far left batshit news source you have been reading. Minority's are welcomed at rallies, and are treated with respect. The only people against having them at those rallies is left wing people, because it goes against the narrative, minorities get an insane amount of shit just for going to those rallies. I have seen Trump supporters have had to maintain composure over people physically assaulting them just because they support the guy enough to go to a rally. These people are being attacked and silenced by Bernie/Hillary supporters just because they have a different ideology than them, and the people attacking them are being driven into a frenzy because the left wing media paints Trump out to be an exaggerated caricature. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 5)torture enemies of the state [/QUOTE] Your government is already doing this. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 6)ban certain ethnicity from entering the country [/QUOTE] Muslims are not an ethnic group. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 7)promises to restore jobs and industries to their former glory presumably through direct government intervention [/QUOTE] This is not fascism, and it doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 8)promises extreme protectivism in the economy [/QUOTE] To a certain degree and I think it is a good thing, companies relocating their jobs to places with cheaper labor is disgusting. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] 9)and promises to cut the heads off our enemies and suck out their oil [/QUOTE] He promises to get rid of ISIS and I think that is a great thing, sorry if you like ISIS. [QUOTE=Sableye;50234961] how is he not fascist again ms. hitler?[/QUOTE] Having characteristics of being a fascist does not make a person a fascist, sorry.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50235134] Having characteristics of being a fascist does not make a person a fascist, sorry.[/QUOTE] if the jackboot fits, goostep in it one isn't simply a fascist because they declare themselves one or not, you are a fascist if you fit the bill of being a fascist, which is exactly what trump is stalin wasn't a dictator because he said one day "i'm a dictator" he was a dictator because he fit all the characteristics of being one

Last I checked fascists seek to abolish democracy outright in favor of a dictatorship or military rule. Trump is more reactionary than fascist.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50235441]if the jackboot fits, goostep in it one isn't simply a fascist because they declare themselves one or not, you are a fascist if you fit the bill of being a fascist, which is exactly what trump is stalin wasn't a dictator because he said one day "i'm a dictator" he was a dictator because he fit all the characteristics of being one[/QUOTE] I despise Trump and still think you're being ridiculous. He's missing one key thing about fascism: the whole getting rid of democracy part.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50235538]I despise Trump and still think you're being ridiculous. He's missing one key thing about fascism: the whole getting rid of democracy part.[/QUOTE] Just like every communist state was run by a dictatorship... Except look at China which is a plutocracy

[QUOTE=Anderan;50235468]Last I checked fascists seek to abolish democracy outright in favor of a dictatorship or military rule. Trump is more reactionary than fascist.[/QUOTE] He's more an appetizer before the fascist main course. A sample platter where everyone can try the scapegoating, sloganeering, and pure id-driven populist rhetoric.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50236702]Just like every communist state was run by a dictatorship... Except look at China which is a plutocracy[/QUOTE] China is an oligarchy, communist nations have always mostly been run by an "in" group so I don't really get what you're trying to say.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50235538]I despise Trump and still think you're being ridiculous. He's missing one key thing about fascism: the whole getting rid of democracy part.[/QUOTE] Am I hearing he's not a true scotsman? Because I think that's what this sounds like

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50239772]Am I hearing he's not a true scotsman? Because I think that's what this sounds like[/QUOTE] I actually have no idea what you're saying here. The no true scotsman fallacy is when you try to disqualify a person from a group because of some arbitrary metric. Living within a democratic society isn't an arbitrary metric for calling someone not a fascist.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50239772]Am I hearing he's not a true scotsman? Because I think that's what this sounds like[/QUOTE] Isn't getting rid of democracy kind of central to fascism though? It's if you said that somebody isn't a true scotsman because they were born in and have lived their entire lives in Ireland. That's just by definition an accurate statement.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50239772]Am I hearing he's not a true scotsman? Because I think that's what this sounds like[/QUOTE] Not really. Trump is a bad candidate but he really isn't a facist. At all.

Trump is not a facist. He believes in fair democracy (just like Bernie) and a free market. His views and policies are not facist. He isn't even a self-declared facist. The whole "facist" argument is baseless and holds no ground.

Trump is reactionary in the same sense that Fascism, as exemplified by Mussolini in Italy, Hitler in Germany, and Franco in Spain, were all reactionary. All reactionary politicians are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. As far as "getting rid of democracy" goes, a Fascist or Neo-Fascist leader would believe that they should be the supreme power in the government. They then solve that problem by removing all voices of opposition from the government, as well as the public, and replacing the current legislative body with the leader's supporters, who obey him or her with unquestioning loyalty. (see, "Reichstag Fire Incident" and "Night of the Long Knives" for examples) How has Trump responded to people with different opinions?

[QUOTE=adamsz;50244303]Trump is reactionary in the same sense that Fascism, as exemplified by Mussolini in Italy, Hitler in Germany, and Franco in Spain, were all reactionary. All reactionary politicians are on the extreme right of the political spectrum.[/QUOTE] IMO, 'reactionary' as an idea is meaningless. Are pro-choice people reactionaries because they want to keep the status quo where-as the right wants to change society?

[QUOTE=sgman91;50244356]IMO, 'reactionary' as an idea is meaningless. Are pro-choice people reactionaries because they want to keep the status quo where-as the right wants to change society?[/QUOTE] I don't think you quite understand what "reactionary" means in political ideology. [quote]"A reactionary is a politician or political philosopher who wants to reverse political changes and seeks to restore society to a state believed to have existed before. It is usually used pejoratively to describe a radical conservative opposed to modernity."[/quote] [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reactionary[/url]

[QUOTE=adamsz;50244678]I don't think you quite understand what "reactionary" means in political ideology.[/quote] I don't think you quite understand what "Fascist" means in political ideology. Maybe you should read up on 'Anatomy of Fascism' by Robert Paxton

Trump is absolutely not a fascist. Reactionary? Yep. Populist? Yep. Nationalist? Probably. In no way is he a fascist, and that's a cheap argument. When he starts saying he wants to get rid of the legislative branch and judicial branches and make God Emperor Trump declare all laws as a benevolent democratic dictator, sure, then he's a fascist. He's a reactionary nationalist populist idiot - not a fascist.